klee's hacked 1170 btc, Part II

[alfabitcoin]

Update
Bteer released NXT to the admin of nxtforum what will end up to klee account.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Update
Bteer released NXT to the admin of nxtforum what will end up to klee account.

Hmm what does that mean Klees coins were caught in transit or something?
In that case its good news for him

[alfabitcoin]

Update
Bteer released NXT to the admin of nxtforum what will end up to klee account.

Hmm what does that mean Klees coins were caught in transit or something?
In that case its good news for him

Good news for klee. Thief stole nxt aside btc and transfered nxt to the bter. Under complain they froze hacker account and today with hacker approval bter transfered frozen nxt to the admin of nxt forum who act as a escrow.

Source

 /nxtforum.org/general-discussion/bter-com-froze-3129000-nxt-and-need-you-help-to-return-to-the-owner/240/

[DubFX]

Update
Bteer released NXT to the admin of nxtforum what will end up to klee account.

Hmm what does that mean Klees coins were caught in transit or something?
In that case its good news for him

Good news for klee. Thief stole nxt aside btc and transfered nxt to the bter. Under complain they froze hacker account and today with hacker approval bter transfered frozen nxt to the admin of nxt forum who act as a escrow.

Source

 /nxtforum.org/general-discussion/bter-com-froze-3129000-nxt-and-need-you-help-to-return-to-the-owner/240/

So when the whole community cooperated we ended returning big ammount of that summ to Klee, i'm happy for that

[klee]

He also sent 217.5096BTC 

[AT101ET]

He also sent 217.5096BTC 

So, if you don't mind sharing, how did you come to that agreement?

[BurtW]

I just tested out bitmixer. My new coins have 100% taint to the thiefs original address. Should I be worried about using them on exchanges with my real name?

This is an expected result.  For a while now all the BTC coming out of bitmixer will be "tainted" by the stolen coins.  That is, if you believe "taint" means anything at all.  That is like saying this $100 bill in your pocket was used by several people in the past and one of those people used it to buy some drugs.  Is the $100 you have in your pocket "tainted" by the crime several owners ago?  No.  It is just a $100 bill - it is fungible.

However, as a point of fact, the BTC you received from bitmixer are not "the stolen coins" or even "parts of the stolen coins".  They are UTXOs that happen to be traceable in whole or in part though various transactions back to the original UTXOs that were taken from klee.  So this question of "stolen coins" and "taint" is not as clear cut as some in this thread want it to be.

Assuming BTC are fungible then you have nothing to worry about.

A previous post likened the entire operation of the bitmixer to this:  a thief gives someone $1,000,000 in cash and this person turns around and gives the thief a different $1,000,000 in cash, maybe in different denominations, maybe minus a fee.

Now in this transaction did the thief "wash" his ill gotten gains?  NO.  He still has $1,000,000 (minus the fee) in ill gotten gains.

Did the person that "made change" for him do anything wrong.  NO.  They started with $1,000,000 in cash that they got from working hard, selling products and services, etc. and ended up with $1,000,000 plus maybe some sort of fee.  Why did he charge a fee?  Because it takes a long time to count $1,000,000 in cash given that the largest bill in circulation is only $100.  But I digress.

The point is that changing out one bunch of cash for another bunch of cash does not in anyway "launder" the money.  To launder money the thief has to be able to show that the money came from a legit source, enterprise, business, etc.  Also, making change does not in any way hide the crime.  In this case the thief started with $1,000,000 in ill gotten gains and ended up with $1,000,000 minus the fee in ill gotten gains - money laundering has not taken place.  Upon finding the thief with their money the authorities would have their man and the stolen money.  The fact the cash is not the same cash he took is not material.  The only thing that might be considered for claw back might be the fee.  However, if the thief bought a hamburger with some of the money would they go try to get it back from McDonalds?

[klee]

He also sent 217.5096BTC 

So, if you don't mind sharing, how did you come to that agreement?

I put a big bounty finding him - 43% of the stolen Bitcoins (the amount I could retrieve).
For 1170btc this is about 500btc.

And maybe some personals reason on his side, not sure about that but I think he had some regrets on what he did to me.
The amount was so big that it would be acceptable for him to sacrifice part of the loot so he has both his conscience right and feel less stressed that everybody chase him.

[haploid23]

And maybe some personals reason on his side, not sure about that but I think he had some regrets on what he did to me.
The amount was so big that it would be acceptable for him to sacrifice part of the loot so he has both his conscience right and feel less stressed that everybody chase him.

Nope, I pointed out earlier that ethics went out the window once he stole your btc. If he was a moral person and wanted to right the wrong, he would have returned the whole thing. You either return all of it, or none of it. But the fact that he returned just a small fraction under the condition that you LOCK the previous thread means that he does not want the investigation to continue, in fear of being caught.

[BitCoinDream]

He also sent 217.5096BTC 

So, if you don't mind sharing, how did you come to that agreement?

I put a big bounty finding him - 43% of the stolen Bitcoins (the amount I could retrieve).
For 1170btc this is about 500btc.

And maybe some personals reason on his side, not sure about that but I think he had some regrets on what he did to me.
The amount was so big that it would be acceptable for him to sacrifice part of the loot so he has both his conscience right and feel less stressed that everybody chase him.

I think u may consider sharing 43% of the recovered coins to those who helped to corner the thief.

[statdude]

And maybe some personals reason on his side, not sure about that but I think he had some regrets on what he did to me.
The amount was so big that it would be acceptable for him to sacrifice part of the loot so he has both his conscience right and feel less stressed that everybody chase him.

Nope, I pointed out earlier that ethics went out the window once he stole your btc. If he was a moral person and wanted to right the wrong, he would have returned the whole thing. You either return all of it, or none of it. But the fact that he returned just a small fraction under the condition that you LOCK the previous thread means that he does not want the investigation to continue, in fear of being caught.

So returning some is equally as immoral as returning none.
I disagree.

Depends on his moral alignment.

[Kprawn]

Klee sorry for your loss - I have had several things stolen from me, and you feel like shit! We all make mistakes, even though your mistake, could cost you more than money could re pay. {Your time invested to get all that coin}

The fact of the matter is, this kind of thing, no matter who's fault it is, puts a lot of negative spotlight on crypto currency as a community. {Possible investors, see this as a threat, and decide not to invest etc. etc.}

The Crypto Currency community should stand together, and fight this with all they have got, to show possible investors, what remedial actions could be taken to recover lost/hacked/stolen coins.  

Good luck, I hope this person turns around and gives back what he has stolen for your sake and for the good of this community.

[BitCoinDream]

Hey...  are you guys/gals aware that the hacker has been refunding the CapitalistCoin investors with the stolen funds?  

https://blockchain.info/address/16qCNxjUf64ejHQ4wh9it7Lbb2AVBduGmS

This^^^ was the CapitalistCoin deposit address...  it won't take long for you to figure out that the hacker has been refunding us with the stolen BTC.  The total invested was PEANUTS by the way.

In other words...  NO red flags behind these specific "refund" transactions!  

How do u relate this address with thief's address ?

[farl4web]

Good to hear you got some BTC back!! 

[BurtW]

How do u relate this address with thief's address ?

I posted the CapitalistCoin deposit address so that you can see ALL the addresses that had sent BTC...  the hacker has been "refunding" these investments with the stolen funds.

Again, what are you talking about?  Show us some transactional proof of your belief.

[RocketSingh]

The thief has been traced back to the GoDaddy domain

Whois privacy is going to be over with a formal complaint and we are going to get Credit Card info.

We'll move unless 90% is returned to Klee by next 24 hour.

Thank u Mr. 'Hacker'

[klee]

GIVE ME BACK MY MONEY!

YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE CLEVER?

I MADE BIG PATIENCE IN ORDER TO FOOL YOU UNTIL I HAVE YOU.

WHAT YOU STOLE (1170BTC + 10M NXT) IS ABOUT 2000BTC

I WANT 1400 1000BTC IN THE NEXT 24H.

BOUNTY WAS NEVER OVER

EDIT: Probably the NXT were dumped for about 400BTC. So he stole about 1600BTC. He returned 462. He will still have more than 100btc profit...

[AT101ET]

Ha, hacker was quite the fool.

[dekodoge]

Which domain was hacker tracked back to?

[tmobileguy]

GIVE ME BACK MY MONEY!

YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE CLEVER?

I MADE BIG PATIENCE IN ORDER TO FOOL YOU UNTIL I HAVE YOU.

WHAT YOU STOLE (1170BTC + 10M NXT) IS ABOUT 2000BTC

I WANT 1400BTC IN THE NEXT 24H.

BOUNTY WAS NEVER OVER

Exactly what I said....