Why There Will Be No Revolution

[Bit_Happy]

You don't need a revolution to escape the system. You need secession. You need a withdrawal of support for the existing systems. You need to revoke the legitimacy which you extended to these organizations. You need to do it, and everybody else needs to do it. Nobody organizes this. People just learn, scandal by scandal, bureaucratic snafu by bureaucratic snafu, that the system is irreparable. It cannot be reformed. It must not be captured. It must be de-funded. The secret of liberty is not revolution; the secret of liberty is to de-fund the existing centralized order.
http://www.garynorth.com/public/12619.cfm

You need a withdrawal of support for the existing systems...
...the secret of liberty is to de-fund the existing centralized order.

^^^This article doesn't mention Bitcoin, but BTC does exactly what he is describing. 
I did search to be sure the author is clearly aware of Bitcoin, in other articles.


Is it possible to have a peaceful revolution when the existing forces are so strong?
Do you see the next few years will be really exciting(!)?

[practicaldreamer]

I dunno mate - it would be nice if things could pan out as you describe. Organisations existing on the block chain (Ethereum), bringing in a new truer participatory democracy for e.g..,  and the knowledge economy rewarding intellectual participation.

  It just strikes me that the knowledge economy doesn't put food on the table, heat my house in winter etc. I might be able to 3d print a house - but how am I gonna afford (amongst other things) the land it is built upon. The block chain won't resolve the disparity in the ownership of the means of production (of which land is no. 1)

   Power and control (and privilege) isn't surrendered that easily.

[kerafym]

Revolution only happen when people are hungry. American are still fat and happy.

[stevegreer]

Revolution only happen when people are hungry. American are still fat and happy.

And getting poorer every day.

[Bit_Happy]

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   Power and control (and privilege) isn't surrendered that easily.

Valid point, but if we remove their primary source of income, at least they will need to start spending some of their gold instead of worthless paper. 

[Hell-raiser]

Revolution only happen when people are hungry. American are still fat and happy.

And getting poorer every day.

It will take many years until they have nothing to lose and would revolt.

[RodeoX]

I agree. Most of the institutions that oppress us do so with our cooperation. You don't need to be a dick about it, just choose to not participate.

[Chef Ramsay]

One way or the other these are exciting times to be alive. I agree that secession is ultimately what needs to happen but with all the problems we have right now, the main solution in most peoples' minds is to vote out those in charge. The issue is that the other party will come in and not fix anything but just make things worse on a different level. However, if the republicans take back the Senate and maintain or advance their lead in the House then there truly can be divided government between now and when Rand Paul gets elected President, hopefully.

[Daniel91]

Revolution comes when people are really desperate and have no hope.
It looks most people are not on this stage yet.
They still have hope that things will improve and waiting for it.
Any way, revolution starts out of despair, not from thinking or in comfortable position.
French Revolution is very good example for this.
When French people lost hope in any positive changes in society, and become hungry and desperate, they started revolution and changed society order.

[mouchette]

You don't need a revolution to escape the system. You need secession. You need a withdrawal of support for the existing systems. You need to revoke the legitimacy which you extended to these organizations. You need to do it, and everybody else needs to do it. Nobody organizes this. People just learn, scandal by scandal, bureaucratic snafu by bureaucratic snafu, that the system is irreparable. It cannot be reformed. It must not be captured. It must be de-funded. The secret of liberty is not revolution; the secret of liberty is to de-fund the existing centralized order.
http://www.garynorth.com/public/12619.cfm

You need a withdrawal of support for the existing systems...
...the secret of liberty is to de-fund the existing centralized order.

^^^This article doesn't mention Bitcoin, but BTC does exactly what he is describing. 
I did search to be sure the author is clearly aware of Bitcoin, in other articles.


Is it possible to have a peaceful revolution when the existing forces are so strong?
Do you see the next few years will be really exciting(!)?

Do you think something like this can work ?
 https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=1588.msg52389#msg52389

[niothor]

Revolution only happen when people are hungry. American are still fat and happy.

And getting poorer every day.

But it will take years for them to really get poor
America will only be poor when half of the world won't be dreaming to get a visa to get into the us.

[jcoin200]

Revolution only happen when people are hungry. American are still fat and happy.

And getting poorer every day.

But it will take years for them to really get poor
America will only be poor when half of the world won't be dreaming to get a visa to get into the us.

As criminal as the us govt is, I dont see them allowing people to be hungry.  They know they can keep people at a level just "fat and happy" enough, and it works.  People only have political opinions during election times, then they go back to their iphones and sports.  I agree, any "revolution" does not appear to be in the works, although more people are becoming aware of the criminal nature of the us govt

[niothor]

Revolution only happen when people are hungry. American are still fat and happy.

And getting poorer every day.

But it will take years for them to really get poor
America will only be poor when half of the world won't be dreaming to get a visa to get into the us.

As criminal as the us govt is, I dont see them allowing people to be hungry.  They know they can keep people at a level just "fat and happy" enough, and it works.  People only have political opinions during election times, then they go back to their iphones and sports.  I agree, any "revolution" does not appear to be in the works, although more people are becoming aware of the criminal nature of the us govt

Oh yeah the criminal us government is not allowing their people to get hungry or even suffer for lack of the minimal necessities.
By contrast the good north korean government is letting their people experience right now what is supposed to be the US in twenty years. (in their commie minds).

 

[practicaldreamer]

You don't need a revolution to escape the system. You need secession. You need a withdrawal of support for the existing systems. You need to revoke the legitimacy which you extended to these organizations. You need to do it, and everybody else needs to do it. Nobody organizes this. People just learn, scandal by scandal, bureaucratic snafu by bureaucratic snafu, that the system is irreparable. It cannot be reformed. It must not be captured. It must be de-funded. The secret of liberty is not revolution; the secret of liberty is to de-fund the existing centralized order.
http://www.garynorth.com/public/12619.cfm

I just read the link to the garynorth article - it was unconvincing. However, he wrote the article in response to an article he'd read in the "leftie" Guardian newspaper. I've just read that article (in the Guardian) - and it is excellent - it is here.

    I never thought I'd be so enthralled by the ideas of a former Marine, CIA case officer, and US co-founder of the US Marine Corps intelligence activity.
     His name is Robert David Steele. Well worth a look. To give you a snippet :-

        ""We have over 5 billion human brains that are the one infinite resource available to us going forward. Crowd-sourcing and cognitive surplus are two terms of art for the changing power dynamic between those at the top that are ignorant and corrupt, and those across the bottom that are attentive and ethical. The open source ecology is made up of a wide range of opens – open farm technology, open source software, open hardware, open networks, open money, open small business technology, open patents – to name just a few. The key point is that they must all develop together, otherwise the existing system will isolate them into ineffectiveness. Open data is largely worthless unless you have open hardware and open software. Open government demands open cloud and open spectrum, or money will dominate feeds and speeds

  These are interesting times.

    "The whole point of Open Source Everything is to restore public agency. Open Source is the only form of information and information technology that is affordable to the majority, interoperable across all boundaries, and rapidly scalable from local to global without the curse of overhead that proprietary corporations impose"


   Isn't that why we are all here (on this forum) ?

Open Source Everything. I like it  

[counter]

The best way to show your disapproval for the system is to support competitors of the faulty system.  You don't have to join a cult or change your beliefs to do such things.  Just being aware and making others aware alone is the best way to do so.  Before you know it those same people will be surprising you and educating you.

[Slingshot]

 REVOLT.

 REVOLT against the systems that financially enslave us, and that also endears us to obey our now ruling elite (wealthiest) masters.

 Some of us started REVOLTING a long time ago. Many others from all walks of life have already joined us. The majority soon will be.



 Stop supporting "too big to fail banks and too big to fail corporations" by not doing any business with them. Close your TBTF bank accounts. The power truly is in the hands of We The People, but only if we take enough actions. Nothing is too big to fail. Weak firms must be allowed to fail, and for strong firms to take over. Otherwise it's a ruinous end we all shall face in the hands of losing fools calling the shots.

 Purchase alternatives to their ruinous debt-based currencies (dollars, yen, euros, francs, pounds, yuan, ect..), such as superior bitcoins, and physical gold/ silver bullion coins and bars.

 Don't store one's wealth in ruinous fiat (debt-based currencies) that always are inflated away, into ruin, for all savers in them. Don't enable these financial criminals anymore. REVOLT against them. Fully bankrupt and thus end their failed systems. They depend on us, not the other way around. Although they will try as much as possible including triggering more market crashes to get things their way, don't dare waver or surrender to them ever again. Let them destroy themselves and all the weaker souls whom are foolish enough to continue to side with them.

Or in other words: REVOLT. And escape their grasp before you too are financially ruined.



 The 1st step to a civilized world is:

END THE FED. (and also end all other central banks as we know them today).


 The 2nd step to a civilized world is:

End ALL Debt-based currencies.



 The 3rd step back to a civilized world is:

 Outlaw debt-based currencies, and outlaw any private bankers from having any monetary and fiscal policy control over any nations. In other words that's the responsibility of society and their governments themselves. Not independent outsiders.



 The 4th step to a civilized world is Bitcoin, and or it's successors, with Decentralized solutions where at all possible, all to defuse and limit the power and control any of the few have over the great majority.


 These are the first and only sane steps to monetary and fiscal sanity, and to a civilized world. Nothing less and nothing else will bring us fiscal and monetary sanity, nor a civilized world.


 Some of us are actively doing what they can to spread these solutions. We need everyone else that cares to join us.

 All the above solutions are required to find success. Without all the above we wont ultimately be successful.



In Summary:

 It's either bend over and keep being the bankster's financial debt slaves and stay in their debt bondage from your cradles to your graves.

OR...

TAKE ACTION:


 Close those TBTF bank accounts. Stop Rewarding other failures (GM, Chrysler, etc...).

 Stop borrowing from these same TBTF banks. Utilize only smaller regional banks and credit unions.

 Some apparently need this spelled out to them since their not thinking very clearly.

 Capitalism NEVER rewards failure.

 Capitalism NEVER offers any bailouts, much less bonuses for failure.

 Only a criminal gang of idiot losers demand to be rewarded for failure, then toss in bonus demands on top.



Important Notes:


 The other side is correct: they declared class war on the masses long ago, and their side has been winning ever since.

 And it's long since over due that the masses turn the tables and declare all out REVOLT.


 Their side demands that society reward their failures.

 Their side demands that society bailout their losing bets.

 Their side demands that society must socialize all their losing bets.

 Their side demands to privatize (keep to themselves) all profits.

 Their side demands to deregulate all things finance to steal everything from everyone without any restraints.

 In return their side demands austerity for the masses.

 Then they dare to lie about the facts and state lie after lie and display them as facts (and no, not at all surprising, since they have no shame).



 Lastly: When the OP claims that revolution wont occur he clearly doesn't have a clue about humans and our extremely violent history of wars and violent revolutions. The OP clearly doesn't understand their fellow man at all.
 
 Revolutions are already blowing in the winds. If these series of REVOLTS already long since ongoing in many parts of this world don't succeed there will be many dozens of extremely violent and bloody revolutions all across the globe, if not all out WW3 first. But then the OP couldn't possibly accept anything that would pull themselves out of their own state of utter and sheer denial, let alone out of their comfort zone.

 As for all the "colored revolutions" recently. They must not count. Right OP?

 REVOLT.
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[POPPP]

NXTvillage is a potential network of farmers/ eco-builders/ artisans and artists living in relationship with the local citizens.
There are a lot of parts :

* associative and cultural energies
* food production and eco-construction for ourself and for economy
* economy mouvement : using NXT and local coin on top of NXT,
* political mouvement : using decentralized democracy  tools with no leader.

NXTvillage fondation can be the main account for the begining and every citizen or member for this first experience can ask money by referendum, trying to developp one idea for community, or for their own business. No capitalist idea, we are here to make the transition.
If members vote 50% positive, money can be given...

if people cheat, people can be banned, reputation on the real world is another thing than here (Hi BM! you are already blacklisted from any human project)

One of the expansionist viral idea is : each village must fund/create another one every years or half a year. A land can be buy for 5000€ or 10 000€ or less, depends on what we want to do on it, and how many people can work and live on the place, preparing the political and economy transition.
This can be backed by NXT AE too (you must read our business plan).
In this way, if we are popular, and we'll can be that if we have our own economy, and maybe our own universal dividend, and if we do some free "human marketing" action like : one land is reserved for giving all of products to the local citizen; giveaway of some LocalCOIN (on top of NXT)... etc every marketing or free action can be brainstormed.
In this way, maybe we can take every city town hall.
In France, there are the first movement decentralized where 300 peoples are mayor.

Nobody cannot make democracy happen without involving a lot of people, and we need to be viral and pacifist.
 Imagine cryptoworld's community mixed with local citizen in each region and country, all linked with food and cheap house or group positive energy,
we can reach our goal and make a lot of events presenting what is decentralized politic and economy.
This can be fun and easy.
  and maybe we can win first election.

NXTvillage want to be the first decentralized network without leader; and we want to use NXT as our main tool, we want you to program a better voting system, adjusting that to our democracy wishes.

plz read our documents and try to understand what we can create with that.