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Author Topic: [2014-07-15] Coindesk : ING: Future Bitcoin Protocol Should Include Central Bank  (Read 2080 times)
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July 15, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
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 Cheesy FAIL!!!! which part of decentralised currency sounds like centralised to them I wonder?

http://www.coindesk.com/ing-future-bitcoin-protocol-include-central-bank-functions/

go short ING shares? ... good troll or just completely zero clue? hard to say really.

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July 15, 2014, 08:02:38 PM
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Buahahaha!  Cheesy

Gee, I wonder who they think should be that bank?

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July 15, 2014, 08:25:35 PM
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in order to function as efficiently as traditional currencies, a bitcoin algorithm needs to be developed that “smoothly matches money supply and demand”.

"efficiently"… I'm tempted to stop reading at this point.
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July 15, 2014, 10:16:41 PM
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If that were ever to happen I would divest in a heart beat. No central controlling authority is exactly the reason bit coin works.

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July 15, 2014, 10:59:11 PM
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I can summarize my feelings regarding this article succinctly in two words:

SCREW That!!!

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July 15, 2014, 11:12:48 PM
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The impression I got from the video itself wasn't that they were proposing a central bank for bitcoin, but rather an algorithmic solution for the generation of new coins to match demand.  Maybe someone at ING has just patented the idea, but has no idea how to make it happen.  If they plant the thought in people's heads, maybe they'll get lucky and someone will code it for them, heh.  Whatever their reasons and motives, I have no idea whether such an idea would be feasible.  As concepts go, it's actually not that bad.  If it was done correctly, it would still be in line with the general ethos of crypto, unless a fixed supply is a sticking point for you as an individual.

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July 16, 2014, 12:20:09 AM
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Cheesy FAIL!!!! which part of decentralised currency sounds like centralised to them I wonder?

http://www.coindesk.com/ing-future-bitcoin-protocol-include-central-bank-functions/

go short ING shares? ... good troll or just completely zero clue? hard to say really.


The only thing we need is bankers to start controlling bitcoin. Imagine, customer comes to the bank to buy bitcoin and is told that his credit rating is not good enough. :-)
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July 16, 2014, 12:25:29 AM
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Why would one prefer a fiat crypto over a decentralized crypto? Maybe it goes well until the next economic or political crisis and the people in power will throw the algorithm over board just in order to preserve their own power. This happened in history all the time. To prevent abuses by a central power, decentralization is the key.

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July 16, 2014, 12:33:07 AM
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... good troll or just completely zero clue? hard to say really.

It is not their nature to fully understand how "evil" banks really are, so I would vote for "zero clue".
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July 16, 2014, 03:43:19 AM
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ING: Future Bitcoin Protocol Should Include Central Bank Functions

Just went what was that about.

The inventors of that successful algorithm would make such a momentous step forward that they would surely qualify for the Nobel Prize in economics.”

Ha-ha congrats satoshi you already did it lol

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July 16, 2014, 09:46:27 AM
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Could someone tell them to change brands, the socks they smoking now, is doing strange things to their minds.  Roll Eyes

Who wants Central Banks as part of the bitcoin protocol? Hands up? Anyone ...Anyone? Ok.. Bankers sit down. You already messed up the world economy once, now you want to do it again with bitcoin?

No thanks, I think we will cope, just fine.

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July 16, 2014, 10:53:50 AM
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FEDCoin  Roll Eyes

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July 16, 2014, 11:45:28 AM
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The impression I got from the video itself wasn't that they were proposing a central bank for bitcoin, but rather an algorithmic solution for the generation of new coins to match demand.  Maybe someone at ING has just patented the idea, but has no idea how to make it happen.  If they plant the thought in people's heads, maybe they'll get lucky and someone will code it for them, heh.  Whatever their reasons and motives, I have no idea whether such an idea would be feasible.  As concepts go, it's actually not that bad.  If it was done correctly, it would still be in line with the general ethos of crypto, unless a fixed supply is a sticking point for you as an individual.

Oh God. Enough with the flexible money supply nonsense. Actually I blame Milton Friedman.

When will people get it into their heads that an elastic money supply is (1) pointless (2) damaging?

It is pointless because the purchasing power of money automatically adjusts to the demand for money holdings. If the value of your money goes up and you want constant purchasing power, you just hold less of it. Duh.

It is damaging because it disrupts economic calculation and induces business cycles.

Anybody who wastes time trying to come up with some stupid algorithm for adjusting the money supply of a crypto-currency is an idiot. The only reason why the BTC money supply has been set to increase (at a reducing rate) is to fund the network and provide a means of initial distribution.

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July 16, 2014, 01:49:49 PM
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http://www.coindesk.com/ing-future-bitcoin-protocol-include-central-bank-functions/

Banksters' dream. They would be delighted seeing this.
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July 16, 2014, 02:16:32 PM
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In other news, Exxon Mobil have suggested future Tesla vehicle design should include V8 combustion engines and the New York Times proposes the internet be 'updated' to allow delivery to households in a daily broadsheet format.
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In other news, Exxon Mobil have suggested future Tesla vehicle design should include V8 combustion engines and the New York Times proposes the internet be 'updated' to allow delivery to households in a daily broadsheet format.

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July 16, 2014, 04:37:02 PM
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Enough with the flexible money supply nonsense. Actually I blame Milton Friedman.

When will people get it into their heads that an elastic money supply is (1) pointless (2) damaging?

It is pointless because the purchasing power of money automatically adjusts to the demand for money holdings. If the value of your money goes up and you want constant purchasing power, you just hold less of it. Duh.

(3) ... and it's only needed when you have "fractional reserve" fiat banking. Without the central bank (lender of last resort of fiat) banks would go bankrupt quickly, because they are all leveraged. If you don't have these "magic" money reserves, you must leverage less or even not at all, which means much lower profits for a bank. That's why every banker hates an inelastic money supply - that's the main reason. Flexible money supply is not essential for capitalism and the overall economy. Capitalism worked well before the introduction of the central bank when gold and silver was money and the money supply could not just be adjusted by a central authority.



 

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July 16, 2014, 05:56:14 PM
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The impression I got from the video itself wasn't that they were proposing a central bank for bitcoin, but rather an algorithmic solution for the generation of new coins to match demand.  Maybe someone at ING has just patented the idea, but has no idea how to make it happen.  If they plant the thought in people's heads, maybe they'll get lucky and someone will code it for them, heh.  Whatever their reasons and motives, I have no idea whether such an idea would be feasible.  As concepts go, it's actually not that bad.  If it was done correctly, it would still be in line with the general ethos of crypto, unless a fixed supply is a sticking point for you as an individual.

Oh God. Enough with the flexible money supply nonsense. Actually I blame Milton Friedman.

When will people get it into their heads that an elastic money supply is (1) pointless (2) damaging?

It is pointless because the purchasing power of money automatically adjusts to the demand for money holdings. If the value of your money goes up and you want constant purchasing power, you just hold less of it. Duh.

It is damaging because it disrupts economic calculation and induces business cycles.

Anybody who wastes time trying to come up with some stupid algorithm for adjusting the money supply of a crypto-currency is an idiot. The only reason why the BTC money supply has been set to increase (at a reducing rate) is to fund the network and provide a means of initial distribution.

Fair enough if you feel that way.  Mostly I'm just pointing out the misleading nature of the article and everyone working under the assumption that they were proposing a bank to be in charge when they aren't.  Fact is, though, it's been quite a while, historically, since we had a completely 100% fixed money supply and we don't know for certain if it is going to cause problems down the road.  At some point I'm guessing someone's going to start trying to throw fractional reserve into the mix on a large scale and that's probably going to end badly.  Adding decimal places in the future might be a workable solution if Bitcoin is still going in 50 years and 1 satoshi can buy a pint, but again, I don't think anyone is in a position to say with absolute certainty that there won't be repercussions to that.  For what it's worth I hope you're right.  We'll see how it turns out.

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July 16, 2014, 06:54:24 PM
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 At some point I'm guessing someone's going to start trying to throw fractional reserve into the mix on a large scale and that's probably going to end badly.  

Fractional reserve will never work with Bitcoins.

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July 16, 2014, 07:22:32 PM
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 At some point I'm guessing someone's going to start trying to throw fractional reserve into the mix on a large scale and that's probably going to end badly.  

Fractional reserve will never work with Bitcoins.

Agreed, but that won't stop people trying (and failing).  It's all the finance sector know and they're bound to get involved at some point.  I bet it's the first idea that pops into their empty little heads.  They'll use off-chain transactions and fill their users' wallets with IOUs.  The last thing we need is for new users to start getting burned by some botched attempt at it.  We need to remain vigilant to make sure they don't get involved with any such silly schemes.   

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