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July 20, 2014, 10:52:12 AM
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the site seems to be gone and lots of users are waiting for their BTC.
Including 11 BTC from a world cup contest.

The site is apparently down for a "short" maintenance. However this "short"
maintenance is already lasting several days.

However I was able to retrieve the information of the probable owner.
I´m not 100 % sure it is the guy running bitcoinlivebets, but I know they got their script from
bet-solution.com

If you go to bet-solution.com you will see that the site is also down for maintenance.
Could of course be a coincidence but I doubt it is very likely.

You can find the real name and the address of the guy by doing a WHOIS query.
http://whois.polodomains.com/domain/8loDsh-Zg-YzuDaf5sHT4g.._info.html

The site is apparently run by a guy called "Gregor Kempny".

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Gregor Kempny
   WEBSCHÖPFER Interneterschaffung
   Münchener Straße 18
   Frankfurt, 60329, DE


If you have any other information please feel free to post here.
Also you could already post how many BTC you are owed by bitcoinlivets.com.


Maybe this will have a happy ending though because the cold wallet still contains at least 10 BTC
which haven´t been moved.

https://blockchain.info/de/address/139ixHACTfh7BNwEGSbyEVGKW48B1sh3gX



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July 20, 2014, 12:06:47 PM
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Also you could already post how many BTC you are owed by bitcoinlivets.com.
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If you go to bet-solution.com you will see that the site is also down for maintenance.
Yes but since a few months.  http://web.archive.org/web/20140415000000*/http://bet-solution.com
I was asking this software producer for the software in March and they told me (in German) that they stopped support&selling of Bet Solution. However, I can search the PDF with references and upload here. This PDF the internet company sent to me earlier.
Maybe they are tired of bugs because I saw some strange things on bitcoinlivets.
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July 24, 2014, 06:12:18 PM
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he owes me 3.5 btc


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July 24, 2014, 11:21:02 PM
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I had 0.379 in there.
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July 25, 2014, 10:12:00 AM
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They still have over 10 bitcoin
https://blockchain.info/address/139ixHACTfh7BNwEGSbyEVGKW48B1sh3gX
They could at least pay us what they owe us.
I'm shocked....not at their demise but at their stealing.
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July 25, 2014, 11:36:23 PM
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Thanks for the alert.
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July 25, 2014, 11:39:06 PM
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BitcoinLiveBets owe me 1 BTC contest prize.
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July 25, 2014, 11:55:54 PM
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July 26, 2014, 12:27:24 AM
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I am very, very angry right now.
I had 47 people join bitcoinlivebets via their banner on  my site at www.bitcoinpunter.com
No doubt a good few of them have now been shafted.
When I think of how I have defended them on this forum when people were trying to take advantage of some errors on their livebetting section a while back and once even offered to grade bets for them for nothing to help out when they were struggling I feel betrayed.
I asked Anton in a personal message what was happening a couple of days after the site vanished and I told him I wouldn't publish his reply....I stuck to that promise but as it is now obvious nobody is getting the bitcoin owed to them, including me,  I have no qualms about revealing the conversation.
I received this one first:

Hello tonyq,

whatever will happen we would try to send you your balance. Please provide us your current address so we can send the amount in parts. I think you are a honest guy and you should not suffer when we have problems.


So I sent it, I then got two payments, one of 0.05 and one of 0.06, a day apart...The first payment came with this message:

Hi tonyq,

at first I sent you 0.05 BTC. I know its not much but a start.
We probably have to close the page completely because of a license problem. But apart from that it was really hard to run a page like this. DDoS threats everywhere, buggy odds from our provider, server problems, expensive odds data... I am very sad about it but actually I had to know this when I started this page. I will be take care to send you more of your balance.


I got no message with the second small payment and despite emailing him three times now nothing else has happened in the last 9 days so I am writing off what I'm owed as it's obvious nothing more will be forthcoming.
I was originally owed 0.489 and that is now 0.379 (that I will never see again).....I know others are owed a lot more.
There is 10 bitcoin in their wallet so if I'm getting no more, I feel sure the rest of you poor sods are getting absolutely nothing.
To run a contest during the World Cup knowing full well you would not be paying the winners despite them betting big in order to get to the top of the prize list is unforgiveable.

All I can say is....Fuck you Anton.
I hope you get your Karma.
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July 26, 2014, 12:20:49 PM
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BitcoinLiveBets owe me 0,20 BTC contest prize.
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July 26, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
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I wonder who Mark Henry is:
https://twitter.com/BitcoinLivebets
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August 08, 2014, 07:39:04 AM
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I am very, very angry right now.
I had 47 people join bitcoinlivebets via their banner on  my site at www.bitcoinpunter.com
No doubt a good few of them have now been shafted.


I feel your pain tonyq, as we also had some clients join bitcoinlivebest from our site www.coingamblingreviews.com. Down for a few hours inevitably appears to be forever...

In my opinion there is a lot to be said for on-line gambling companies that openly share their results, which can help put trust in their companies from the fear of "going down for a few hours".

Casino Bitcoin for example publishes their fortnightly results in havelock investments, which lets you know if they sinking or swimming with their financial results. Also 999Dice who I thought would struggle with such a low house hedge seem to be doing well and they publish the sites profits on the top left of their page. I am not saying these are sure sites that don't have a chance of doing the same thing as Bitcoinlivebets but it can help give reassurance that they are above board.

Anyway I feel for the punters that lost money with these guys.

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