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August 11, 2014, 03:38:11 PM |
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I would like to think that I don't need anonymity. I am good guy, I never did anything wrong. But the way government and other big companies are collecting info on people now I think that anonymity is the only way to live. I don't want to be catalogued, and I want to keep my thoughts and views to myself.
Of course you need it. It's not about being a good guy or doing anything wrong. The government shouldnt be allowed into your property to hassle you without any evidence or wrong doing just to see if there might be a random chance you have been doing something wrong. Even people on the street shouldnt be able to know your details if you don't want them to. Of course the government shouldn't be allowed into your property to hassle you without any evidence or wrong doing. In fact, in many countries doing so would be illegal. In modern democratic countries, the government (or police) need evidence and warrants before they hassle you. In practice of course, such governments do hassle people, but its usually marginalized people such as ethnic minorities, the mentally ill, former criminals, etc. The government does not just keep turning up at random houses.
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jbreher
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August 11, 2014, 08:15:46 PM |
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While I don't mean to defend Cheney (such being indefensible), I find it curious that you did not link to something about the administration that has set the record in regards to secrecy: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-secrecy-up-under-obama-administration/
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Anyone with a campaign ad in their signature -- for an organization with which they are not otherwise affiliated -- is automatically deducted credibility points.
I've been convicted of heresy. Convicted by a mere known extortionist. Read my Trust for details.
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illodin
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August 11, 2014, 08:35:01 PM |
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flawed like darkcoin's coinjoin.
fud away! cryptonote coins
pump it up!
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Kayex (OP)
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August 11, 2014, 08:36:59 PM |
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I would like to think that I don't need anonymity. I am good guy, I never did anything wrong. But the way government and other big companies are collecting info on people now I think that anonymity is the only way to live. I don't want to be catalogued, and I want to keep my thoughts and views to myself.
Of course you need it. It's not about being a good guy or doing anything wrong. The government shouldnt be allowed into your property to hassle you without any evidence or wrong doing just to see if there might be a random chance you have been doing something wrong. Even people on the street shouldnt be able to know your details if you don't want them to. Of course the government shouldn't be allowed into your property to hassle you without any evidence or wrong doing. In fact, in many countries doing so would be illegal. In modern democratic countries, the government (or police) need evidence and warrants before they hassle you. In practice of course, such governments do hassle people, but its usually marginalized people such as ethnic minorities, the mentally ill, former criminals, etc. The government does not just keep turning up at random houses. But the government ignores that with the NSA thing. They have access to everything that belongs to us. It's the government. The NsA is just doing their 'job' They're really invading our privacy.
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illodin
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August 11, 2014, 08:38:00 PM |
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Lets hope its good enough and not flawed like darkcoin's coinjoin.
What was wrong with darkcoin? I thought it was doing well. Even couple of my friends were mining it with their rigs and were making a good profit off of it. o.o? What's wrong with it is that he didn't. Except that that's not how Darkcoin works.
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August 11, 2014, 08:45:16 PM |
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Sure, nothing against Dick and Bush per se, this was the top ranked google link when searching Secrecy Obama Administration: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/09/press-groups-call-on-obama-administration-to-end-pervasive-secrecy-practices/Also, second ranked: http://freebeacon.com/issues/press-groups-call-on-obama-admin-to-end-pervasive-secrecy-practices/The organizations are asking the Obama administration to issue a memo not only telling employees at federal agencies they are free to speak with reporters, but also encouraging them to. The letter also requests the administration create a way to report incidences of suppression or stonewalling of media requests.
“The practices have become more and more pervasive throughout America, preventing information from getting to the public in an accurate and timely matter,” said David Cuillier, president of the Society of Professional Journalists in a statement. “The president pledged to be the most transparent in history. He can start by ending these practices now.”
Shortly after assuming office in 2009, President Obama pledged to run “the most transparent administration in history,” and the White House has stuck to the line, despite numerous complaints and studies that indicate the Obama administration is little better, and in some cases worse, than its predecessor.
Last year, the Committee to Protect Journalists released a scathing report on the Obama administration’s attempts to control media access.
“The Obama administration’s aggressive war on leaks, and its determined efforts to control information that the news media needs to hold the government accountable for its actions, are without equal since the Nixon administration and in direct conflict with President Obama’s often-stated goal of making his administration the most transparent in American history,” former Washington Post executive editor and report author Leonard Downie, Jr. said.
The New York Times’ David Sanger told Downie the Obama administration is the “most closed, control-freak administration” he has ever covered.
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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bornil267645
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August 11, 2014, 08:48:21 PM |
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I just want to buy a gift for my girlfriend without being tracked
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genjix
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August 11, 2014, 08:48:55 PM |
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http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2305863That's really exciting thing to see because governments have had classic trouble fighting tax haven jurisdictions, but recently have been gaining more success by instead of fighting the jurisdictions, instead giving more power to banks yet turning them into agents of the state. So the banks serve the tax authorities and are given more power because governments centralise the financial infrastructure. We have a situation currently where people are taxed both from normal taxes and inflation. Paper money contributes massively to state power, not only by profits from inflation, but by giving leverage over who can accumulate wealth. Hence "captialism for the rich, socialism for the poor". Corporations either stay competitive and evade tax through offshores, or go bust, all while servicing state law, regulations and institutional power structures. Now with Bitcoin though everyone can have a super tax-haven with no requirements to report income and no liabilities. We already have decentralised money laundering. The technology is improving fast and this will only get much better too. Especially once we have the tools for issuing securities to anonymous investors.
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August 12, 2014, 03:27:02 AM |
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I just want to buy a gift for my girlfriend without being tracked I just don't want to be tracked simple as that. Last I remember that is called stalking which is illegal. It's like Bitcoin but in it's own creepy way. The practice of infringing on peoples privacy has become perversely accepted to the point that the victim being tracked feels they owe an explanation or proof they aren't guilty of something without even have committed any crime.
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valvalis
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August 12, 2014, 03:35:56 AM |
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Anonymity feature has advantages and disadvantages. We can freely use our bitcoin without any one can easily trace it but, anonymity also makes it difficult when there are people who steal our bitcoin.
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bitkilo
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August 12, 2014, 06:06:05 AM |
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You can mix your coins and use multible addresses to keep your financial infomation secret from the world, lets face it nobody really needs to know what you do with your bitcoins.
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Not a paid signature, just added to promote Bitcoin.com
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Kayex (OP)
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August 12, 2014, 06:18:57 AM |
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I just want to buy a gift for my girlfriend without being tracked I just don't want to be tracked simple as that. Last I remember that is called stalking which is illegal. It's like Bitcoin but in it's own creepy way. The practice of infringing on peoples privacy has become perversely accepted to the point that the victim being tracked feels they owe an explanation or proof they aren't guilty of something without even have committed any crime. But the NSA peeves into our private lives. Even if they are part of the government, it's against our rights as human beings
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Mobius
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August 12, 2014, 03:48:41 PM |
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I would like to think that I don't need anonymity. I am good guy, I never did anything wrong. But the way government and other big companies are collecting info on people now I think that anonymity is the only way to live. I don't want to be catalogued, and I want to keep my thoughts and views to myself.
Of course you need it. It's not about being a good guy or doing anything wrong. The government shouldnt be allowed into your property to hassle you without any evidence or wrong doing just to see if there might be a random chance you have been doing something wrong. Even people on the street shouldnt be able to know your details if you don't want them to. Of course the government shouldn't be allowed into your property to hassle you without any evidence or wrong doing. In fact, in many countries doing so would be illegal. In modern democratic countries, the government (or police) need evidence and warrants before they hassle you. In practice of course, such governments do hassle people, but its usually marginalized people such as ethnic minorities, the mentally ill, former criminals, etc. The government does not just keep turning up at random houses. This is illegal in the US as well. The 4th amendment protects us from unreasonable search and seizure. Law Enforcement must present probable cause to a neutral judge to get a search warrant in order to enter your house to look for evidence (or look through any of your other private property).
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August 13, 2014, 06:04:21 AM |
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I do not think BTC was specifically designed to be Anonymous.
You cannot have transparency on the blockchain, without having a degree of anonymity. So transactions can be traced, and the owner of the BTC is protected.
Your bank, do not reveal your information or your transactions, and they can make transfers between accounts, without us knowing it. {So with BTC you would see the corruption and you would be able to follow it} But your identification details are hidden.
And I think that is important. {Question is, is BTC totally anonymous --> Answer - No}
Do we need Anonymity - Yes {I need to have my money matters, kept secret} Nothing different than, what you wanted from banks and fiat.
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August 19, 2014, 05:27:27 PM |
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Once you are on a list and cross referenced, public authorities feel they can come up with new and inventive ways to extract money and freedom from you.
You become a target for their excuse and validation to have a job and a pension plan.
You lose the ability to sit and relax after a hard day at work, because you worry that you have not done your paperwork properly and on time. The fear comes from emails and letters informing you that you are late, you will be fined, you will go to jail, because you didn't fill in the form correctly.
You become a target for those who don't like the fact you missed a box and they need to send a letter letting you know you missed ticking a box.
You become a target for those who consider your spending is against social norms. You must be hunted through the blockchain. You are fair game for the police and the courts. You have no defense because you bought something that is legal in one state or country, but illegal where you live.
You become a target because some rich guys bribed some officials to make laws to protect their wealth against competition.
You lose, you to the State... the State controlled by those that know how to work the system to protect themselves and those that fund them.
Even if you do no harm to anyone, you are not allowed to have freedom.
Fuck'em.
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August 19, 2014, 05:36:24 PM |
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I thought it wasn't important, until I realized that every online company is making a profile of you, your habits, and what you buy. What if my grocery store sells my snack food habits to my insurance company? This is coming soon.
Anonymous transactions will help protect people from the huge amount of online profiling and thus manipulation of regularly people.
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August 20, 2014, 01:19:31 AM |
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The question isn't why anonymity so important to me, but why is intrusion into my personal life so important to you?
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wordman267645
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August 20, 2014, 09:33:23 PM |
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Anonymity is very important to me because if i bought something for someone or purchase something for my financial business, that's my personal matter..I don't want anyone tracing me..
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cbeast
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
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August 20, 2014, 10:52:33 PM |
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The question isn't why anonymity so important to me, but why is intrusion into my personal life so important to you?
If you harm me, I want your anonymity forfeited so I can intrude all over you.
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Any significantly advanced cryptocurrency is indistinguishable from Ponzi Tulips.
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