Which game you would like to play for bitcoins?

[X7]

Before you award any BTC for a game you have to make sure there are no exploits out there - I hit like 240 on Flappy and saw some kid at 999999999 lol... GG

[Cortex7]

Before you award any BTC for a game you have to make sure there are no exploits out there - I hit like 240 on Flappy and saw some kid at 999999999 lol... GG

All pure skill games have exploits... BOTS!

If BTC is available for prize then a coder WILL make a system that:

reads the screen buffer.
performs some process.
synthesizes a keypress.

That would be a last resort attack, easier attacks would be tampering with client side code to always report a win etc.

But say you completely hardened the system it would still be impossible to secure against bot player.

I think user-vs-user skill games are your only option, then of course chess for BTC would turn into users pitting their bots against other users bots, which could be fun in its own right I suppose .

[ellen_me]

Giving out bitcoin prizes for skill games, how will you stop people coding bots that just win all the time?

Yes, I think this is an important question.
Maybe it will be better if the game is without competition like just harvesting coins hidden on various game stages.

[elm]

Giving out bitcoin prizes for skill games, how will you stop people coding bots that just win all the time?

Yes, I think this is an important question.
Maybe it will be better if the game is without competition like just harvesting coins hidden on various game stages.

Provably Fair option would solve the problem. or what did I miss here?

[elm]

wow My mind is blown.  I'm telling you, it worked as of yesterday! okay I see - it doesnt work with www on front of it - strange.


http://bitcoinarcade.com works.

Proof that I'm not crazy:



You may also like or consider https://www.gambit.com/ which does skill based games person 2 person. From what I understand you cannot be a US citizen nor offer US residents any sort of games of chance where wagering is involved (considered gambling in the eyes of the law)  From what I understand the games on gambit are wagered based on games of skill - even though luck is involved, a person has to wager their skill against another person.

how would You call the following game, a skill game or a game of luck? lets take a roulette wheel where there is no green zero field. and instead of 18 black and red numbers we will have 18 red and 17 black numbers. now we will do a player vs player game where any of the 2 players is free to chose the 17 black numbers (with disadvantage) or the 18 red numbers (with advantage). would this be a game of luck?

thanks

[Cortex7]

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how would You call the following game, a skill game or a game of luck? lets take a roulette wheel where there is no green zero field. and instead of 18 black and red numbers we will have 18 red and 17 black numbers. now we will do a player vs player game where any of the 2 players is free to chose the 17 black numbers (with disadvantage) or the 18 red numbers (with advantage). would this be a game of luck?

thanks

I think that would be classed as a pure game of luck. Each player would place their bet on the wheel, just like in a regular casino where one player can walk up t a wheel and place a bet and then another player can place a bet, and then the wheel is spun. None, one or both players can win/lose against the house.

[Cortex7]

Giving out bitcoin prizes for skill games, how will you stop people coding bots that just win all the time?

Yes, I think this is an important question.
Maybe it will be better if the game is without competition like just harvesting coins hidden on various game stages.

Provably Fair option would solve the problem. or what did I miss here?

Provaby fair need only be employed on luck games.

A skill game does not need provably fair, the player knows if he crashed flappy bird into a wall or not. A player knows if he wins or loses, any disparity in this could not be hidden from the player.

The problem with skill games is as I said, players WOULD employ bots that would fly flappy bird perfectly every time and clean out the sites bank lickety split.

[elm]

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how would You call the following game, a skill game or a game of luck? lets take a roulette wheel where there is no green zero field. and instead of 18 black and red numbers we will have 18 red and 17 black numbers. now we will do a player vs player game where any of the 2 players is free to chose the 17 black numbers (with disadvantage) or the 18 red numbers (with advantage). would this be a game of luck?

thanks

I think that would be classed as a pure game of luck. Each player would place their bet on the wheel, just like in a regular casino where one player can walk up t a wheel and place a bet and then another player can place a bet, and then the wheel is spun. None, one or both players can win/lose against the house.

thanks for the answer, but it looks that I didnt explain it clear enough. it would be a player vs player game and no house involved.
so each player can decide to bet on red with 18 numbers and has the advantage over black with 17 numbers. but sure thing that he can chose to bet on black (17 numbers).  I would call it mental skill if one understands the advantage of red (18 numbers).

I hope I made the point clear now.

[elm]

Giving out bitcoin prizes for skill games, how will you stop people coding bots that just win all the time?

Yes, I think this is an important question.
Maybe it will be better if the game is without competition like just harvesting coins hidden on various game stages.

Provably Fair option would solve the problem. or what did I miss here?

Provaby fair need only be employed on luck games.

A skill game does not need provably fair, the player knows if he crashed flappy bird into a wall or not. A player knows if he wins or loses, any disparity in this could not be hidden from the player.

The problem with skill games is as I said, players WOULD employ bots that would fly flappy bird perfectly every time and clean out the sites bank lickety split.

so involving bots means that it is not a fair skill game anymore. in this case I would prefer a Provably Fair game of luck with a 50/50% chance and no house involved

[Cortex7]

...From what I understand you cannot be a US citizen nor offer US residents any sort of games of chance where wagering is involved (considered gambling in the eyes of the law)  From what I understand the games on gambit are wagered based on games of skill - even though luck is involved, a person has to wager their skill against another person.

Yes, player-vs-player skill games where you charge a fee to play are the only path you could take for USA hosted site.

So like 2 player each bet 0.001 BTC, the site take say 1% of that (0.00001 BTC) and then the players slug it out, the winner taking 0.00199 BTC.

I think the whole gamespace would end up being dominated by rainman type people with ungodly game skillz, and of course bots, a few normal folk bumbling through now and then only to be pwned.

[Cortex7]

so involving bots means that it is not a fair skill game anymore. in this case I would prefer a Provably Fair game of luck with a 50/50% chance and no house involved

Provably fair is not needed on skill games.

In fact provably fair could not be employed for skill games.

Provably fair requires a fully deterministic game.

Provably fair is basically just:

[1]Server decides on heads/tails outcome of coinflip
[2]Server discloses the outcome (encrypted) to user.
[3]User guesses heads or tails.
[4]Server flips the coin for the User.
[5]User wins or loses, and is also told how to decrypt[2] if they want proof of fairness.

With skill, the outcome depends on the users skill, the server has no way of knowing the outcome.

RE: Player vs player skill games,

They would be nice, but remember coders WILL employ bots to play, human players might soon be all saying, "F*CK! Don't play there it's impossible to win"

[elm]

so involving bots means that it is not a fair skill game anymore. in this case I would prefer a Provably Fair game of luck with a 50/50% chance and no house involved

RE: Player vs player skill games,

They would be nice, but remember coders WILL employ bots to play, human players might soon be all saying, "F*CK! Don't play there it's impossible to win"

understood! is there no way to stop bots for such player vs player games?

thanks

[Cortex7]

so involving bots means that it is not a fair skill game anymore. in this case I would prefer a Provably Fair game of luck with a 50/50% chance and no house involved

RE: Player vs player skill games,

They would be nice, but remember coders WILL employ bots to play, human players might soon be all saying, "F*CK! Don't play there it's impossible to win"

understood! is there no way to stop bots for such player vs player games?

thanks

Not if you allow users to play them over the internet, if a human can look at the screen and push a button or two, so can a bot.

Even with locked out hardware/software (which you cant do anyway) it would be possible to make a bot play: bot looks at screen with camera and controls solenoids that push game controls.

Bitcoin attracts hackers, resistance is futile!

[elm]

so involving bots means that it is not a fair skill game anymore. in this case I would prefer a Provably Fair game of luck with a 50/50% chance and no house involved

RE: Player vs player skill games,

They would be nice, but remember coders WILL employ bots to play, human players might soon be all saying, "F*CK! Don't play there it's impossible to win"

understood! is there no way to stop bots for such player vs player games?

thanks

Not if you allow users to play them over the internet, if a human can look at the screen and push a button or two, so can a bot.

Even with locked out hardware/software (which you cant do anyway) it would be possible to make a bot play: bot looks at screen with camera and controls solenoids that push game controls.

Bitcoin attracts hackers, resistance is futile!

very sad. how about sending a question from time to time and let user answer it like captcha?

[Coinbuddy]

I dont care about any thing.I am going to make a multiplayer chess game soon.
I need more donations

i got 0.1 btc from williams

[elm]

I dont care about any thing.I am going to make a multiplayer chess game soon.
I need more donations

i got 0.1 btc from williams

sorry but I dont play chess 

[Coinbuddy]

I dont care about any thing.I am going to make a multiplayer chess game soon.
I need more donations

i got 0.1 btc from williams

sorry but I dont play chess 

but you can donate to this project.if u are real bitcoin believer.

Can u play checkers?

[elm]

I dont care about any thing.I am going to make a multiplayer chess game soon.
I need more donations

i got 0.1 btc from williams

sorry but I dont play chess 

but you can donate to this project.if u are real bitcoin believer.

Can u play checkers?

dont play checkers. I like games of luck (provably fair) and not skill games where bots can take all the money. how much do you still need?

[Cortex7]

so involving bots means that it is not a fair skill game anymore. in this case I would prefer a Provably Fair game of luck with a 50/50% chance and no house involved

RE: Player vs player skill games,

They would be nice, but remember coders WILL employ bots to play, human players might soon be all saying, "F*CK! Don't play there it's impossible to win"

understood! is there no way to stop bots for such player vs player games?

thanks

Not if you allow users to play them over the internet, if a human can look at the screen and push a button or two, so can a bot.

Even with locked out hardware/software (which you cant do anyway) it would be possible to make a bot play: bot looks at screen with camera and controls solenoids that push game controls.

Bitcoin attracts hackers, resistance is futile!

very sad. how about sending a question from time to time and let user answer it like captcha?

Yes that would help a little, any bot would then need a human supervisor standing by to solve captcha.

Also periodic captcha would upset game flow for honest players.

[Cortex7]

I dont care about any thing.I am going to make a multiplayer chess game soon
...

I think chess is one of the few skill games where human players could actually beat the bots.

I do not play chess very well myself, but I have seen youtube vids where good players talk about beating bots using traps etc.

good luck!