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July 24, 2014, 10:55:26 PM
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Gaza health officials say atleast seven people were killed when Israeli tank shells hit a compound housing a U.N. school in the nothern Gaza Strip during clashes with Palestinian Militants.
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July 24, 2014, 11:17:46 PM
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huh? i'd imagine israel doing this as a way of sending a message to hamas.. whether it will be effective in doing so, i'm not quite sure.. because it seems like hamas doesn't really care about the lives of ordinary citizens; instead, it seems like they use their people as shields.

if israel doesn't respond with might and force, they might appear timid, which would open the way for hamas to continue attacking them. why not attack israel if they end up doing nothing?

at the heart of the israeli-palestine conflict is more political than it is religious.
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July 25, 2014, 02:22:03 AM
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Gaza health officials say atleast seven people were killed when Israeli tank shells hit a compound housing a U.N. school in the nothern Gaza Strip during clashes with Palestinian Militants.
It is really the terrorists in Gaza that are killing the innocent people as they are keeping weapons stockpiles and soldiers housed in schools and hospitals and civilians' houses.
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July 25, 2014, 03:10:10 AM
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The people of Gaza will only be safe when the Hamas terrorists are no longer in charge there. Hamas has a stated goal of destroying the State of Israel and does their best to kill as many Israelis as they have the power to. If Israel returned the favor, Gaza would be lifeless in a few hours. Think about who is the one who actually is trying to kill people for the sake of their beliefs and who is just trying to keep terrorists from killing their people.

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July 25, 2014, 04:20:39 AM
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Ask the people of Israel when they bombed the UN building and agree with you
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/israeli-shells-hits-un-shelter-gaza-201472413198190287.

They were told the location of that shelter 12 times with the last one at 10am that monring so they can't deny that they did not have any knowledge of the event occurring.

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July 25, 2014, 04:23:46 AM
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Ask the people of Israel when they bombed the UN building and agree with you
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/israeli-shells-hits-un-shelter-gaza-201472413198190287.

They were told the location of that shelter 12 times with the last one at 10am that monring so they can't deny that they did not have any knowledge of the event occurring.

Even Al Jazeera, a clearly biased news source when it comes to this subject, included the caveat that Israel contends it was in fact Palestinian rocket fire that hit the building. Do you think Israel is stupid enough to intentionally fire on a UN facility?

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July 25, 2014, 04:43:44 AM
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In time of conflict, innocent get killed all the time. The leaders are well aware of what they are doing and know the consequence of their action. Do you think they really care?
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July 25, 2014, 04:47:32 AM
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In time of conflict, innocent get killed all the time. The leaders are well aware of what they are doing and know the consequence of their action. Do you think they really care?

The Hamas leaders do care, they intentionally put weapons and tunnels in areas with lots of civilians. It helps them keep the caches partially hidden and protected, and a bonus is when the civilians are killed they get to complain about it to the international community and hopefully get funding from rich Arabs from other countries, which is the main reason this current situation has happened.

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July 25, 2014, 04:55:23 AM
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Ask the people of Israel when they bombed the UN building and agree with you
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/israeli-shells-hits-un-shelter-gaza-201472413198190287.

They were told the location of that shelter 12 times with the last one at 10am that monring so they can't deny that they did not have any knowledge of the event occurring.

Even Al Jazeera, a clearly biased news source when it comes to this subject, included the caveat that Israel contends it was in fact Palestinian rocket fire that hit the building. Do you think Israel is stupid enough to intentionally fire on a UN facility?

The Gaza health ministry told the Reuters news agency that Israeli fire had killed at least 15, and injured 150, at the school in Beit Hanoun on Thursday. .

An Israeli military source however told Al Jazeera that Palestinian rocket fire had been detected in the area and that it might have fallen short and hit the shelter.

Al Jazeera's Stefanie Dekker, reporting from Gaza, said she was unable to reach the school after the attack due to heavy Israeli shelling. No one she had spoken to in Gaza believed the deaths were caused by a Palestinian rocket.

The reporter was near the field, so an eyewitness has more impact than what the military source said.

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"We gave the Israelis the precise GPS coordinates of the Beit Hanoun shelter. We were trying to coordinate a window [for evacuation] and that was never granted," he said.

They were trying to negotiate an evacuation with the Israeli military but were ignored leading one to believe that it could well have been Israel.

But fair enough another article from Time does validate your point
http://time.com/3030301/gaza-school-israel-palestine-united-nations/

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said Wednesday there was a “strong possibility” that Israel was committing war crimes in Gaza while also condemning the indiscriminate rocket fire from Gaza. UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has expressed “outrage and regret” after rockets were found to have been stored inside a UN building in Gaza.

An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated that the attack on the Gaza shelter was committed by Israel. The source of the attack has not yet been confirmed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/23/us-palestinians-israel-un-rockets-idUSKBN0FS2FF20140723

(Reuters) - U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon expressed alarm on Wednesday that 20 rockets found hidden in a United Nations school in the Gaza Strip had gone missing and directed the world body to deploy experts to deal with the situation.

The main U.N. agency in Gaza, UNRWA, found the rockets in one of its vacant schools a week ago. It found a second batch in a vacant school on Tuesday, but said in a statement that because staff were withdrawn quickly, they were "unable to confirm the precise number."

If that intel is correct there is a reason the rockets could have targeted that building as well.

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July 25, 2014, 05:33:46 AM
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One problem I see is that the rift in the relationship between Israel and Palestine has gotten so far that neither side wishes to use diplomacy, honest conversation, to figure out a real resolution. It's like a bad forced marriage and divorce isn't an option. When either side makes the slightest comment or action that borders on offensive to the other side the "offended" party seeks retaliation.

One of these sides needs to seek peace as the only solution and be "the better man" about it going forward. At the most they'll find that peace and at the least they'll earn the respect of the rest of the world (and the other party will be seen increasingly as out of hand, off base, and "wrong".)

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July 25, 2014, 06:46:56 PM
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This situation is unresolved already for to long, over 60 years, since 1948 or 1945.
Positions from both sides are so extreme and different that it looks that is impossible that they make any kid of peace agreement, at least not in the near future and not with current political leaders.
Sometimes I feel that both sides just pretend that they seek peace but in fact this situation helps them both politically to stay in power.
Very sad, tragic situation but I don't see any fast solution.

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August 04, 2014, 03:10:36 PM
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Beliefs,religions should never lead their followers to do such things,killing innocent people makes you just a scum of human race and it doesnt make you a hero of your belief.

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August 04, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
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Beliefs,religions should never lead their followers to do such things,killing innocent people makes you just a scum of human race and it doesnt make you a hero of your belief.

I agree with this.
Nobody should use religion as reason to harm others.
Religion talks about peace and love, not killing or harming others.
Israel have political motivation in this conflict, not religious one.

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August 04, 2014, 03:49:36 PM
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Gaza health officials say atleast seven people were killed when Israeli tank shells hit a compound housing a U.N. school in the nothern Gaza Strip during clashes with Palestinian Militants.

If you mean Hamas, then yes it is necessary for their belief to have the people who voted for them to be killed  Wink

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