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August 04, 2014, 06:48:32 PM |
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Thanks. That is a bit long, so I will try and look after work tomorrow.As an aside (you probably know) - there are also seventh day Baptists. Usually do not hear much about them. I refer to them a lot, but not sure about their obsession about the Saturday Sabbath since the NT doesn't mention it much . It seems a bit forced, though, it does note the downward spirituality and morality of the US, which we have been seeing. We as a nation have turned from God. On the Baptists - I am not referring to them overall, but sub group of Baptists that are 7th day folk. Focusing on Saturday instead of Sunday as the day of worship (as do most Baptists). Not sure how big a group they are. They back what they say with scripture, According to what they tell the US will be the power that supports the anti-Christ, but unknowingly, and it will have no more effect on what directions individuals take personally anywhere, in this or any other country. The US simply supports the first beast which comes from the papacy, and Europe, in an alliance between Church and state They use scripture - not sure the scripture they use back what they say. Not comparing scripture with scripture in general (as seen on the main forum) can lead to some interesting conclusions - with prophecy, it seems this can happen even more so. I know, for example, there are those who argue that the events of Revelation have already happened. I even read a short fictional serious by one of its proponents (similiar to the Left Behind type of thing, except from their view that it happened inthe 1st century). Enjoyed it, very interesting, and included some interesting historical data. And they also bring up scripture to support it. So, got one set of folk (Left Behind, etc) having scripture and the other (1st Century type of folk) with their scriptural quotes. And, the quotes by themselves - in both cases can make sense. |
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zolace
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August 04, 2014, 06:59:01 PM |
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Yeah, well it's all about what makes most more sense to the believer, but this source doesn't force it's beliefs, it simply states them. They'd be the last to want to impose govt in any way to apply their beliefs in any way, from what I see.
The ones who think revelation has already been fulfilled has a name, just can't think of it, but it's an old belief, around the time of Luther I think
Thought since you brought up the subject of the US in prophecy it might interest you .
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Rigon (OP)
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August 04, 2014, 07:02:51 PM |
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Yeah, well it's all about what makes most more sense to the believer, but this source doesn't force it's beliefs, it simply states them. They'd be the last to want to impose govt in any way to apply their beliefs in any way, from what I see.
The ones who think revelation has already been fulfilled has a name, just can't think of it, but it's an old belief, around the time of Luther I think
Thought since you brought up the subject of the US in prophecy it might interest you .
Oh, it does, and as I said, I need to again review it. Nor can I say that they are wrong. Just that, my first impression is that it seemed a bit stretched. Thanks again. And, unlike other sections of the Bible, prophecy seems like it can be harder in general to decipher. The illustration that comes to mind is giving someone directions. Many times, several of the steps in the directions do not make sense till you get to that point. |
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zolace
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August 04, 2014, 07:07:49 PM |
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Yeah, well it's all about what makes most more sense to the believer, but this source doesn't force it's beliefs, it simply states them. They'd be the last to want to impose govt in any way to apply their beliefs in any way, from what I see.
The ones who think revelation has already been fulfilled has a name, just can't think of it, but it's an old belief, around the time of Luther I think
Thought since you brought up the subject of the US in prophecy it might interest you .
Oh, it does, and as I said, I need to again review it. Nor can I say that they are wrong. Just that, my first impression is that it seemed a bit stretched. Thanks again. And, unlike other sections of the Bible, prophecy seems like it can be harder in general to decipher. The illustration that comes to mind is giving someone directions. Many times, several of the steps in the directions do not make sense till you get to that point. Another interesting thought - if the rapture is to happen prior to the most of Revelation (as many think), then some countries will be affected by the population loss and chaos than others. The US military has a large number of Christians, I have heard - if so, it would be crippling, though not necessarily a death blow.They do not believe in that kind of rapture (obviously) or as you say it wouldn't fit . |
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umair127
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August 04, 2014, 07:16:17 PM |
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Yeah, well it's all about what makes most more sense to the believer, but this source doesn't force it's beliefs, it simply states them. They'd be the last to want to impose govt in any way to apply their beliefs in any way, from what I see.
The ones who think revelation has already been fulfilled has a name, just can't think of it, but it's an old belief, around the time of Luther I think
Thought since you brought up the subject of the US in prophecy it might interest you .
Oh, it does, and as I said, I need to again review it. Nor can I say that they are wrong. Just that, my first impression is that it seemed a bit stretched. Thanks again. And, unlike other sections of the Bible, prophecy seems like it can be harder in general to decipher. The illustration that comes to mind is giving someone directions. Many times, several of the steps in the directions do not make sense till you get to that point. Another interesting thought - if the rapture is to happen prior to the most of Revelation (as many think), then some countries will be affected by the population loss and chaos than others. The US military has a large number of Christians, I have heard - if so, it would be crippling, though not necessarily a death blow.They do not believe in that kind of rapture (obviously) or as you say it wouldn't fit . They? Meaning the 7th day Adventists? Actually, I don't know what they think in that area - I know if someone is post tribulation rapture that would not be a factor either. As a young Christian I tried focusing on all that, but, too much, I think, at least for the wrong reasons. So, I have just accepted that Paul refers to such an event, but, I don't know for sure when. |
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zolace
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August 05, 2014, 09:27:20 AM |
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On that note, regarding whether passages in Revelation refer to the US - I have also heard some say this refers to the US (because of the mention of eagles). I think it is reading into it, but, given the interesting question of the future of the US on this type of thing......
From Rev12:
14 And there were given to the woman the two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness unto her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
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Rigon (OP)
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August 05, 2014, 09:51:51 AM |
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As past prophecies (from the Bible) have come true, so will those yet future.
One is this upcoming war involving Israel, Iran, and Russia (or whatever nation is in the uttermost north of Israel - currently and for sometime Russia), and other nations noted.
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Rigon (OP)
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August 05, 2014, 09:58:34 AM |
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Now, this Crimean crisis actually can open the door to this - one thing Russia assumes is that Europe is dependent on its gas. But, Israel may be able to start exporting gas to Europe - and this may alleviate the leverage Russia has.
Till then - how the US handles the current crisis may flag the end of our leadership in the West - to be replaced by a European organization that realizes the US cannot be counted on as in the past.
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