Fiat banking in Portugal worsens

[altsay]

germany will bail out us all 

That's exactly what Germany ought to do. What are they standing for, after all?

[Mobius]

This kind of arrangement is very risky, and is not guaranteed for Portugal. There are obviously limits as to how much the ECB will be willing to print in order to bail out a specific country. It should be noted that printing money will result in inflation that will affect countries that were not bailed out.

Sure it will result in inflation.
But not printing money will result in quick collapse of the banking system, because failed banks' shares and bonds are other banks' assets, the entire banking system is interconnected.
So it's either quick death or slow blood shed in the form of printing money and resulting inflation. The past history shows that in almost 100% of similar situations the slow blood shed was chosen, no reason to expect otherwise this time.

The inflation would result for everyone, not just the countries that are bailed out. The European government has tried to get various banks to be less interconnected over the past 2-3 years as this was a big risk when greece was on the verge of collapsing. I don't know how successful they have been, but they have tried.

[wachtwoord]

The EU recently accepted new laws for stealing from its citizens for this. looks like we'll see it in practice real soon.

Kick back watch it crumble

[tyz]

Germany could bail out small economies like Portugal, Greece or Cryprus. But if a big economy of the euro zone fails like Spain, Italy or France, then the show is over. Also, the Draghi show

germany will bail out us all  

[TaunSew]

I think you exaggerate small.  Portugal has a $200+ billion GDP and yet it has a CPI comparable to most Western European countries (e.g., a soft drink will cost you $2-$3).

The price for Germany to bailout Portugal ($200 billion to $1 trillion) it could spend on a whole variety of things to improve quality of life for Germans or to even strengthen the Germany economy.   Imagine having to do this for every 'small economy' in Europe, the Germans simply just don't have the funds.

At this rate it might be cheaper for Germany to land a man on Mars than to bailout the EU.

[onlyu]

Market has been expecting PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greeks,Spain) debt situation to get haircut since 2010. I am amaze they can delay the implosion for this long.

[botany]

Market has been expecting PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greeks,Spain) debt situation to get haircut since 2010. I am amaze they can delay the implosion for this long.

The Euro Zone stutters along....

[leezay]

Market has been expecting PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greeks,Spain) debt situation to get haircut since 2010. I am amaze they can delay the implosion for this long.

The Euro Zone stutters along....

Doubt Germany will agree to any bailout this time. One strong country being dragged down by all the smaller countries in the zone.

Germany should just leave Euro zone and let bankrupt countries deal with their own problems.

[giveBTCpls]

Market has been expecting PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greeks,Spain) debt situation to get haircut since 2010. I am amaze they can delay the implosion for this long.

The Euro Zone stutters along....

They simply CAN'T let a country like Spain become bankrupt and end up like Greece, this would mean simply the end of the EU. I fear if this happens, what the ramifications will be. The debt is insane and it is never going to be paid, that's the only thing I know. Now what they do after admiting this thing, I don't know. The thing this, it seem they will never admit this thing.

[botany]

Market has been expecting PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greeks,Spain) debt situation to get haircut since 2010. I am amaze they can delay the implosion for this long.

The Euro Zone stutters along....

They simply CAN'T let a country like Spain become bankrupt and end up like Greece, this would mean simply the end of the EU. I fear if this happens, what the ramifications will be. The debt is insane and it is never going to be paid, that's the only thing I know. Now what they do after admiting this thing, I don't know. The thing this, it seem they will never admit this thing.

The problem is - They can't let Spain/Italy fail: there will be a contagion in the Euro region
They can't really bail them out - Spain is way too big for that.

[Mobius]

Market has been expecting PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greeks,Spain) debt situation to get haircut since 2010. I am amaze they can delay the implosion for this long.

The Euro Zone stutters along....

They simply CAN'T let a country like Spain become bankrupt and end up like Greece, this would mean simply the end of the EU. I fear if this happens, what the ramifications will be. The debt is insane and it is never going to be paid, that's the only thing I know. Now what they do after admiting this thing, I don't know. The thing this, it seem they will never admit this thing.

The problem is - They can't let Spain/Italy fail: there will be a contagion in the Euro region
They can't really bail them out - Spain is way too big for that.

This is true. The likely result would be something similar to cyprus. Both of these countries are much too big for the ECB to be able to effectively bail out as the EU economy is not large enough. If they tried this it would be like the ECB trying to bail out itself and that simply does not work.

[lyth0s]

If Argentina is Cyprus 2.0 that'll make Portugal = Cyprus 3.0. Then the fiat downfall of Spain -> EU -> (nearly everywhere else) -> USA.

[fdiini]

If Argentina is Cyprus 2.0 that'll make Portugal = Cyprus 3.0. Then the fiat downfall of Spain -> EU -> (nearly everywhere else) -> USA.

Argentina and PIGS (in Europe) should all be considered Cyprus 2.0.

US belong to another category since it is owned by China man.

[Hiraga]

Financial crisis can be good fuel for Bitcoin to rally.

[bitsmichel]

Financial crisis can be good fuel for Bitcoin to rally.

I think we'll see a boost in Bitcoin price in these coming years. I don't expect the EU citizens wants their properties taken away by the government

[botany]

Financial crisis can be good fuel for Bitcoin to rally.

I think we'll see a boost in Bitcoin price in these coming years. I don't expect the EU citizens wants their properties taken away by the government

coming years? people expect/hope to see a boost in months, if not days. 

[leezay]

Financial crisis can be good fuel for Bitcoin to rally.

I think we'll see a boost in Bitcoin price in these coming years. I don't expect the EU citizens wants their properties taken away by the government

Deflationary crash will bring down everything with it. This include the price of bitcoin.

[glendall]

Yup.

Of course fiat banking in Portugal worsens. This is the logical result of the hopeless pit of debt they find themselves in.

The ultra rich elite have pillaged the company and now the magnitude of resources being extracted from the population is set to reach a new level.

This is the fate of most countries. Does it make any sense that entire economies this size are looking at bankruptcy? The monetary system is fundamentally flawed and there is little escape. Any economy pegged to a dollar that is created by a private company borrowing money to itself and charging interest on it will fail. The rate of failure is increased when market protections are removed, such as the Glass Steagall act repeal in 1998.

Pretty much every spokesperson either pretends it isn't so, or doesn't know any better and just reads whats in front of them, or knows better but reads whats in front of them anyways.

This is the simple breakdown of how you move wealth from the citizenry to our owners... only four simple steps!  :

1) Offer debt for 'development' of an economy. (Generally this means local resources being bought out by international conglomerates).

2) When the inevitable and unavoidable down swing of the capitalist economy comes, offer to 'help' by offering large amounts of more debt.

3) The debt becomes so large that more debt is required to just pay for the interest.

4) This continues until the country's markets collapse. Then the owners purchase the country's resources and assets in the inevitable fire sale.  (Or a country can declare bankruptcy, but they would risk severe retaliation through economic policy or military might.)

Bottom line is if you have the same group of people control money, the creation of money, and the currency is unbacked, and all the countries of the world peg their currencies to this fiat funny money then you've been fucked. Expect to make less and less and owe more and more as prices sky rocket.  This isn't propaganda, just look at any charts concerning the concentration of wealth and the growing gulf between everyone and the rich over the last 100 years. Their is the same amount of wealth in the world, its just the people at the top of the pyramid are getting better at taking it. Fiat is debt, and the interest can't be paid. The core functioning premises of our economies are irrational and irreparable, its going to end in collapse and prisons.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Another country in financial straits

I do like the analysis he makes here there is a disconnect and it will be rearranged in the financial markets sooner or later
Dow Jones new highs and the Nasdaq as well show this trend.

Given the above, it shows that global capital markets have been disconnected from underlying fundamentals for the last twelve months, and one of the reasons is, amongst others, the low interest environment (fed by the QE policies in respectively the U.S., Europe, and Japan) that has anaesthetized capital markets from market volatilities. Additionally, the ECB has been playing with fire, with junk bonds ultimately funded by German taxpayers.