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November 18, 2014, 02:12:51 PM
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Fair point, but have any of these countries launched a significant military attack since adopting the Euro? If they haven't, than isn't this supporting my statements?
To answer you question:most definitive yes

You do realise that member of the EU are a part of the war on terror right?Most of them have soldiers fighting in Afghanistan not to mention other smaller engagement(commando/air strikes etc) .

If you want full blow invasion like Afghanistan and Iraq, give any of them  enough incentives like a terror attack by suspected foreign agents or something like "Falklands 2.0".Currently even the USA is trepidated  on starting a new war (mainly due to Iraq).
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November 18, 2014, 02:19:56 PM
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I highly doubt it'd happen.  It's a nice idea and a great HOPE for it, but honestly....prob won't come about in our generation at least Sad

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November 18, 2014, 02:26:05 PM
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To answer you question:most definitive yes

You do realise that member of the EU are a part of the war on terror right?Most of them have soldiers fighting in Afghanistan not to mention other smaller engagement(commando/air strikes etc) .

If you want full blow invasion like Afghanistan and Iraq, give any of them  enough incentives like a terror attack by suspected foreign agents or something like "Falklands 2.0".Currently even the USA is trepidated  on starting a new war (mainly due to Iraq).

http://www.isaf.nato.int/troop-numbers-and-contributions/index.php

Doesn't look like EU countries who adopted the Euro are contributing many resources to Afghanistan.

Perhaps you are misreading my comments to suggest that Bitcoin can eliminate war and not simply reduce the propensity and scale of wars?

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November 18, 2014, 03:02:26 PM
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To answer you question:most definitive yes

You do realise that member of the EU are a part of the war on terror right?Most of them have soldiers fighting in Afghanistan not to mention other smaller engagement(commando/air strikes etc) .

If you want full blow invasion like Afghanistan and Iraq, give any of them  enough incentives like a terror attack by suspected foreign agents or something like "Falklands 2.0".Currently even the USA is trepidated  on starting a new war (mainly due to Iraq).

http://www.isaf.nato.int/troop-numbers-and-contributions/index.php

Doesn't look like EU countries who adopted the Euro are contributing many resources to Afghanistan.

Perhaps you are misreading my comments to suggest that Bitcoin can eliminate war and not simply reduce the propensity and scale of wars?

The EU members that are part of  the Nato force there were involved in combat operations.Germany and France for  instance sent armour and combat  aircraft and both have been used against Taliban forces.

There is already something that reduces the propensity and scale of wars,it's called a democratically elected government( even work on the USA).Any wars that are launched by such entities without  the consent of its citizen will not last long.The wars currently been waged are supported by their own people. 

I'm not misreading your comment, I'm disagreeing with them.At least with regards to current wars.

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November 24, 2014, 08:06:12 PM
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It's never going to happen. Humans, by nature, fight for stuff they want regardless of whether they deserve it or not. It's just going to stay like that. "War never changes."

I agree on that..!! greed is a part of animals.. Its really hard to subdue it.!! as long as greed is there...Wars will happen..now or in the future.!

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November 25, 2014, 01:39:17 AM
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No, nothing will end war ever.

As long as root of evil - money - of any kind exists in our world Wars are meant to happen. Nothing will change it. If you can gain something there will be war.


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November 25, 2014, 01:54:51 AM
Last edit: November 25, 2014, 08:19:17 AM by inBitweTrust
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As long as root of evil - money - of any kind exists in our world Wars are meant to happen. Nothing will change it. If you can gain something there will be war.

The same thing was said about human slavery. It existed in almost every society and all of human history. Does it still exist today, yes, but is mostly eliminated for social and economic reasons.
Will humans always remain selfish and have violent tendencies... sure. Will battles always exist and wars, sure.

Can Bitcoin help reduce the prevalence of wars and/or make them shorter? I think so, and to not acknowledge as much ignores how much of war is funded.

Does bitcoin make it easier or harder for the state or a violent gangster to steal from you than fiat? If Bitcoin is easier to steal than fiat than it should encourage war, if it is more difficult to steal directly or indirectly than it should reduce wars.

Wars are profitable for a few people because they are allowed to socialize the costs through theft. Make their job more difficult and wars will have to be funded through other, less efficient means. Simply spending the money and letting debt and inflation pay a large expense of a war is the most efficient means of funding the war there is.

Let me put it in the context of cryptocurrencies to help you understand :
Fiat is akin to a POS alt where a few large stakeholders can increase the amount of coins at a moments whim and spend those coins thus passing on the costs of the war onto every stakeholder through dilution.
In order to raise funds with bitcoin miners have to spend almost as much on electricity and hardware to raise funds to pay for war which is much less efficient.

 

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November 25, 2014, 02:33:09 AM
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No, nothing will end war ever.

As long as root of evil - money - of any kind exists in our world Wars are meant to happen. Nothing will change it. If you can gain something there will be war.
Most wars are actually caused by and revolve around religion. Even with the lack of money, or the lack of potentially gaining some additional resource many wars that the world has seen would have still taken place.
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November 25, 2014, 02:44:06 AM
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i think most of the war is causes by the oil and occupation of the region also that have oil inside its soil   
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November 25, 2014, 02:45:10 AM
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bitcoin will never make any war to any country at least untill now IMO
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November 25, 2014, 03:27:09 AM
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No, nothing will end war ever.

As long as root of evil - money - of any kind exists in our world Wars are meant to happen. Nothing will change it. If you can gain something there will be war.
Most wars are actually caused by and revolve around religion. Even with the lack of money, or the lack of potentially gaining some additional resource many wars that the world has seen would have still taken place.
This is true. Religion has been at least one factor in every war in history and has been a major factor in most wars. Bitcoin potentially replacing fiat is not going to change this

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November 25, 2014, 04:29:06 AM
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Never... Bitcoin only e-currency... it is not affect to anything... i think that..
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November 25, 2014, 05:15:25 AM
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the way I see it, bitcoin will erase the bankers.

the bankers will declare war.

they will meet at the wall street.Tongue

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November 25, 2014, 11:45:30 AM
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Other ways Bitcoin is reducing wars:

http://www.coindesk.com/roger-ver-pledges-20k-bitcoin-antiwar-com-campaign/

Please donate now:

http://antiwar.com/bitcoin/

and

http://www.bitcoinnotbombs.com/

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Very nice that anarchists like Roger Ver are supporting a good cause.. I donated.
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November 27, 2014, 07:27:26 AM
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No, nothing will end war ever.

As long as root of evil - money - of any kind exists in our world Wars are meant to happen. Nothing will change it. If you can gain something there will be war.
Most wars are actually caused by and revolve around religion. Even with the lack of money, or the lack of potentially gaining some additional resource many wars that the world has seen would have still taken place.
This is true. Religion has been at least one factor in every war in history and has been a major factor in most wars. Bitcoin potentially replacing fiat is not going to change this

Even the World Wars ?
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November 27, 2014, 01:01:02 PM
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No, nothing will end war ever.

As long as root of evil - money - of any kind exists in our world Wars are meant to happen. Nothing will change it. If you can gain something there will be war.
Most wars are actually caused by and revolve around religion. Even with the lack of money, or the lack of potentially gaining some additional resource many wars that the world has seen would have still taken place.
This is true. Religion has been at least one factor in every war in history and has been a major factor in most wars. Bitcoin potentially replacing fiat is not going to change this

Even the World Wars ?
Are you kidding about this? The axis (aka the German empire) were trying to exterminate anyone who followed the Jewish religion.

I don't see how anyone would not know that WW2 was about religion....unless they don't believe the holocaust actually happened
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November 27, 2014, 01:17:43 PM
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Whether people are motivated about religion, nationalism, land or resources to go to war they have to pay for it somehow. Fiat currencies allows for a small group of people to efficiently raise and spend capital for war. Without that tool, wars can still be waged but less efficiently, thus Bitcoin has potential to reduce wars.

Compared to fiat how could a country possibly manipulate Btcoin to spend money on war as efficiently?

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November 27, 2014, 01:26:44 PM
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Only post-scarcity solves war, so Bitcoin will not reduce wars.
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November 27, 2014, 01:29:02 PM
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no, bitcoin can't reduce wars.

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