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August 01, 2014, 10:46:17 AM
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What do you think? I know there isn't strictly speaking, a right or wrong answer for this question since it's really a matter of opinion, but it's still something to think about. Back in the early days, faucets gave out whole bitcoins per day. Now that the price of Bitcoin has skyrocketed, nobody would argue in retrospect that these faucets weren't worth using.

In one of their exchanges, Satoshi and Hal Finney discussed the maximum upper limit for the price of a single Bitcoin. Finney believed it was $10 million USD (or more specifically, the purchasing power of $10 million in 2009 US dollars):

Quote from: Hal Finney
As an amusing thought experiment, imagine that Bitcoin is successful and becomes the dominant payment system in use throughout the world. Then the total value of the currency should be equal to the total value of all the wealth in the world. Current estimates of total worldwide household wealth that I have found range from $100 trillion to $300 trillion. With 20 million coins, that gives each coin a value of about $10 million.

So the possibility of generating coins today with a few cents of compute time may be quite a good bet, with a payoff of something like 100 million to 1! Even if the odds of Bitcoin succeeding to this degree are slim, are they really 100 million to one against? Something to think about...

Hal

Now, this is assuming that Bitcoin replaces the fiat currency of every single country in the world. I've also seen estimates of $1 million USD per Bitcoin if it manages to replace the fiat of a single large country or group of countries (e.g. the Eurozone), or $300,000 if it manages to attain a status equal to that of gold or silver.

So if you do the maths, a faucet like Freebitco.in pays out 300-400 satoshis per hour depending on the exchange rate. Most faucets pay a bit less than this, and some faucets might pay a bit more. But using the figure of 300 satoshis or 0.00000300 BTC, one gets the following calculation:

1 BTC = $10,000,000
10,000,000*0.00000300 = $30

So those 300 satoshis would be worth $30.

Or $30.00/hr

If you manage to complete 10 faucets an hour, then you would be making the equivalent of $300 per hour. Or roughly the equivalent of a team of surgeons or a single Fortune 500 CEO. If someone believes that Bitcoin will replace fiat, then it's hard to deny that getting the equivalent of a full-time job (or better yet, 10 full-time jobs) for doing essentially nothing isn't a good deal.

What do you think?
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August 01, 2014, 10:47:57 AM
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You'd still be better off getting a job and buying bitcoins with fiat in the same amount of time, unless you are somewhere in the world you literally earn 1c an hour

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August 01, 2014, 10:56:05 AM
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You'd still be better off getting a job and buying bitcoins with fiat in the same amount of time, unless you are somewhere in the world you literally earn 1c an hour

This is good advice. You're banking on bitcoin becoming worth a ridiculous amount which will probably never happen so you'd still be waisting your time. Find alternative ways to earn bitcoins or money then buy coins with the money you earned.

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August 01, 2014, 02:19:55 PM
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What do you think? I know there isn't strictly speaking, a right or wrong answer for this question since it's really a matter of opinion, but it's still something to think about. Back in the early days, faucets gave out whole bitcoins per day. Now that the price of Bitcoin has skyrocketed, nobody would argue in retrospect that these faucets weren't worth using.

In one of their exchanges, Satoshi and Hal Finney discussed the maximum upper limit for the price of a single Bitcoin. Finney believed it was $10 million USD (or more specifically, the purchasing power of $10 million in 2009 US dollars):

Quote from: Hal Finney
As an amusing thought experiment, imagine that Bitcoin is successful and becomes the dominant payment system in use throughout the world. Then the total value of the currency should be equal to the total value of all the wealth in the world. Current estimates of total worldwide household wealth that I have found range from $100 trillion to $300 trillion. With 20 million coins, that gives each coin a value of about $10 million.

So the possibility of generating coins today with a few cents of compute time may be quite a good bet, with a payoff of something like 100 million to 1! Even if the odds of Bitcoin succeeding to this degree are slim, are they really 100 million to one against? Something to think about...

Hal

Now, this is assuming that Bitcoin replaces the fiat currency of every single country in the world. I've also seen estimates of $1 million USD per Bitcoin if it manages to replace the fiat of a single large country or group of countries (e.g. the Eurozone), or $300,000 if it manages to attain a status equal to that of gold or silver.

So if you do the maths, a faucet like Freebitco.in pays out 300-400 satoshis per hour depending on the exchange rate. Most faucets pay a bit less than this, and some faucets might pay a bit more. But using the figure of 300 satoshis or 0.00000300 BTC, one gets the following calculation:

1 BTC = $10,000,000
10,000,000*0.00000300 = $30

So those 300 satoshis would be worth $30.

Or $30.00/hr

If you manage to complete 10 faucets an hour, then you would be making the equivalent of $300 per hour. Or roughly the equivalent of a team of surgeons or a single Fortune 500 CEO. If someone believes that Bitcoin will replace fiat, then it's hard to deny that getting the equivalent of a full-time job (or better yet, 10 full-time jobs) for doing essentially nothing isn't a good deal.

What do you think?

Still no.
If bitcoin will one day be worth 10 million, you will definitely regret why you have spent your precious time on getting 300 satoshi an hour on a faucet instead of getting 60000 satoshi a post in PD sig campaign.

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August 01, 2014, 02:23:35 PM
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I think theyre just a good way for complete beginners to get involved, see what bitcoin is about, pickup some satoshis, get access to the blockchain and to read it - who knows what their future worth is, but if youre a bored student then claiming a few satoshi in your worst class might not be the worst idea in the world even.

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August 01, 2014, 02:28:49 PM
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Faucet's dust will never be worth 30$/h simply because bitcoin value won't reach 10 millions.
I believe in bitcoins, but that price is too unrealistic in my opinion, but I hope I'm wrong Smiley
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August 01, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
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I think to have bitcoin would be good in whatever way you get it, but you may get bitcoins much faster by working or other methods. I mean, it's not like facuets takes all of your time either -  it's just a really slow method. you are selling your time for say 0.0001 BTC per day, which would be about 0.003 BTC per month. In a year you would get 0.036 BTC from a faucet. Given that bitcoin price would be at $1 million, this would be a lot of money- but I think the bitcoin price will go to 10.000$ or 100.000$, not 1 million.

 

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August 01, 2014, 03:13:59 PM
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The future bitcoin price doesn't really matter here.
If you can get ~0.01 btc an hour for working in McDonalds or you can get ~0.0001 an hour from faucet sites, no matter how high the bitcoin price will be, you will always be better off with working in McDonalds.

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August 01, 2014, 03:23:21 PM
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What do you think? I know there isn't strictly speaking, a right or wrong answer for this question since it's really a matter of opinion, but it's still something to think about. Back in the early days, faucets gave out whole bitcoins per day. Now that the price of Bitcoin has skyrocketed, nobody would argue in retrospect that these faucets weren't worth using.

In one of their exchanges, Satoshi and Hal Finney discussed the maximum upper limit for the price of a single Bitcoin. Finney believed it was $10 million USD (or more specifically, the purchasing power of $10 million in 2009 US dollars):

Quote from: Hal Finney
As an amusing thought experiment, imagine that Bitcoin is successful and becomes the dominant payment system in use throughout the world. Then the total value of the currency should be equal to the total value of all the wealth in the world. Current estimates of total worldwide household wealth that I have found range from $100 trillion to $300 trillion. With 20 million coins, that gives each coin a value of about $10 million.

So the possibility of generating coins today with a few cents of compute time may be quite a good bet, with a payoff of something like 100 million to 1! Even if the odds of Bitcoin succeeding to this degree are slim, are they really 100 million to one against? Something to think about...

Hal

Now, this is assuming that Bitcoin replaces the fiat currency of every single country in the world. I've also seen estimates of $1 million USD per Bitcoin if it manages to replace the fiat of a single large country or group of countries (e.g. the Eurozone), or $300,000 if it manages to attain a status equal to that of gold or silver.

So if you do the maths, a faucet like Freebitco.in pays out 300-400 satoshis per hour depending on the exchange rate. Most faucets pay a bit less than this, and some faucets might pay a bit more. But using the figure of 300 satoshis or 0.00000300 BTC, one gets the following calculation:

1 BTC = $10,000,000
10,000,000*0.00000300 = $30

So those 300 satoshis would be worth $30.

Or $30.00/hr

If you manage to complete 10 faucets an hour, then you would be making the equivalent of $300 per hour. Or roughly the equivalent of a team of surgeons or a single Fortune 500 CEO. If someone believes that Bitcoin will replace fiat, then it's hard to deny that getting the equivalent of a full-time job (or better yet, 10 full-time jobs) for doing essentially nothing isn't a good deal.

What do you think?

Still no.
If bitcoin will one day be worth 10 million, you will definitely regret why you have spent your precious time on getting 300 satoshi an hour on a faucet instead of getting 60000 satoshi a post in PD sig campaign.


It's a bit ironic for you to say that considering that you don't have a PD sig.

OP seems to have a PD sig already.

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August 01, 2014, 03:27:24 PM
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Quote from: Hal Finney
As an amusing thought experiment, imagine that Bitcoin is successful and becomes the dominant payment system in use throughout the world. Then the total value of the currency should be equal to the total value of all the wealth in the world.

That is incorrect. It should be equal to the total monetary base of the world, assuming it replaces all other currencies.

The future bitcoin price doesn't really matter here.
If you can get ~0.01 btc an hour for working in McDonalds or you can get ~0.0001 an hour from faucet sites, no matter how high the bitcoin price will be, you will always be better off with working in McDonalds.

I agree.

Faucets are a waste of time. You are much better off buying $100 worth today than clicking on faucets for a year.

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August 01, 2014, 03:39:42 PM
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Quote from: Hal Finney
As an amusing thought experiment, imagine that Bitcoin is successful and becomes the dominant payment system in use throughout the world. Then the total value of the currency should be equal to the total value of all the wealth in the world.

That is incorrect. It should be equal to the total monetary base of the world, assuming it replaces all other currencies.

Are you sure about that? Hal Finney is a pretty well-known person. He even has his own Wikipedia article. Although his specialty is in cryptography and computer science rather than economics.

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August 01, 2014, 03:45:39 PM
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Quote from: Hal Finney
As an amusing thought experiment, imagine that Bitcoin is successful and becomes the dominant payment system in use throughout the world. Then the total value of the currency should be equal to the total value of all the wealth in the world.

That is incorrect. It should be equal to the total monetary base of the world, assuming it replaces all other currencies.

Are you sure about that? Hal Finney is a pretty well-known person. He even has his own Wikipedia article. Although his specialty is in cryptography and computer science rather than economics.

Even smart people make mistakes.

Think about it. Your wealth includes your house and car (assuming you own them). There are no dollars (or euros or yen) sitting in an account anywhere that represent the values of those assets.

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August 01, 2014, 03:50:28 PM
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It's important to consider that it would be quite hard to have the balls to hold until a Bitcoin is worth 1M$. This would take many years; will you truly be able to hold when it's worth 100x of what it's worth now at 60000$? And if you can't, at that price the current faucet output would still give quite less than the minimum wage.
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August 01, 2014, 04:55:34 PM
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What do you think?

Unless the exchange rate shot up to the millions within a day of you participating in the faucet, the answer is a very clear, "No."

I know there isn't strictly speaking, a right or wrong answer for this question since it's really a matter of opinion, but it's still something to think about.

If you're talking about the fiscal value of the time and effort, then it really isn't a matter of opinion.  The math is plain and simple, and it is clear that there are very few (if any) situations where faucets make any fiscal sense to participate in at all.

Now, if you take some odd pleasure from participating in faucets, then opinion comes into play, since only you can determine how much that pleasure is worth to you.

Back in the early days, faucets gave out whole bitcoins per day. Now that the price of Bitcoin has skyrocketed, nobody would argue in retrospect that these faucets weren't worth using.

That was in the VERY early days when dust sized transactions with no fees would be quickly and easily confirmed.  Also during that time, it was much more difficult to acquire bitcoins in any other way (none of localbitcoins, bitstamp, btc-e, coinbase, bitsimple, etc existed).  Therefore your only three real choices were to either figure out how to mine the bitcoins, figure out how to participate in bitcoin-otc, or try a faucet.

Even then, if you had the technical know-how to participate in any of the available methods of mining or purchasing bitcoins, then those faucets that were giving away 1+ bitcoins still weren't worth it fiscally.

In one of their exchanges, Satoshi and Hal Finney discussed the maximum upper limit for the price of a single Bitcoin. Finney believed it was $10 million USD (or more specifically, the purchasing power of $10 million in 2009 US dollars):

Quote from: Hal Finney
As an amusing thought experiment, imagine that Bitcoin is successful and becomes the dominant payment system in use throughout the world. Then the total value of the currency should be equal to the total value of all the wealth in the world. Current estimates of total worldwide household wealth that I have found range from $100 trillion to $300 trillion. With 20 million coins, that gives each coin a value of about $10 million.

So the possibility of generating coins today with a few cents of compute time may be quite a good bet, with a payoff of something like 100 million to 1! Even if the odds of Bitcoin succeeding to this degree are slim, are they really 100 million to one against? Something to think about...

Hal

Now, this is assuming that Bitcoin replaces the fiat currency of every single country in the world. I've also seen estimates of $1 million USD per Bitcoin if it manages to replace the fiat of a single large country or group of countries (e.g. the Eurozone), or $300,000 if it manages to attain a status equal to that of gold or silver.

So if you do the maths, a faucet like Freebitco.in pays out 300-400 satoshis per hour depending on the exchange rate. Most faucets pay a bit less than this, and some faucets might pay a bit more. But using the figure of 300 satoshis or 0.00000300 BTC, one gets the following calculation:

1 BTC = $10,000,000
10,000,000*0.00000300 = $30

So those 300 satoshis would be worth $30.

Or $30.00/hr

If you manage to complete 10 faucets an hour, then you would be making the equivalent of $300 per hour. Or roughly the equivalent of a team of surgeons or a single Fortune 500 CEO. If someone believes that Bitcoin will replace fiat, then it's hard to deny that getting the equivalent of a full-time job (or better yet, 10 full-time jobs) for doing essentially nothing isn't a good deal.

What do you think?

I think you are forgetting to compare your faucet option to the available alternatives.

3000 satoshis per hour is about $0.018 per hour or $0.43 per day if you could keep it up 24 hours a day continuously without interruption.

If you spent those same 24 hours a day collecting recyclable trash from the parks, roads, and neighborhoods  and sold it all to a recycling center, you'd earn more than $0.43 per day (heck you'd probably discover more than $0.43 per day in actual loose change on the ground in many areas).

You could then use that money that you acquired from your activities (and I'll bet you can find an activity somewhere that will pay more than $0.43 per day) to purchase bitcoins directly.  This would result in acquiring MORE THAN 3000 satoshis per day.  So the time you are wasting on faucets is costing you future profitability.

Imagine you could manage to find a way to earn $1 per day if you just didn't waste all your time on faucets.  Next imagine that the bitcoin exchange rate eventually reaches your predicted 10,000,000 per bitcoin.

This means that spending time on faucets is costing you $397.67 per hour.

Do you really get enough pleasure out of the faucet process to justify paying $397.67 per hour out of your own future pocket, just so you can participate?
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August 01, 2014, 06:56:11 PM
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You'd still be better off getting a job and buying bitcoins with fiat in the same amount of time, unless you are somewhere in the world you literally earn 1c an hour
Thats right sadly, faucets are waste of time
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August 01, 2014, 09:27:30 PM
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Hitting the faucet takes less than a second.  Sure, I can only go to freebitco.in once an hour, but I've spent a total of 2 mouse clicks of time in that hour.  How many faucets are there?  I really don't know the answer to that question, so I'm hoping someone can give a number.  Is there only 1?  Are there 10?  100?  Let's just say there are 10.  Now, I'm making 3000 Satoshi for about 10 seconds of my time per hour.

I'm pretty sure I can spare 10 seconds an hour... heck, I could even do that while wandering around collecting cans after I finished my shift at McDonalds Tongue.

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August 01, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
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Still better to spend time elsewhere to earn and buy coin directly.
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August 01, 2014, 10:56:23 PM
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Yeah, not worth holding faucet btc in hope it keeps going up for the next 30 years...

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August 01, 2014, 11:59:04 PM
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Usually in the time it takes me to get through most the faucets, I could have earned a few bucks on mturk already. Even a simple receipt hit for 5 cents can be done in 30 seconds, vs a faucet which maybe what? .001?
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August 02, 2014, 01:31:58 PM
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Hitting the faucet takes less than a second.  Sure, I can only go to freebitco.in once an hour, but I've spent a total of 2 mouse clicks of time in that hour.  How many faucets are there?  I really don't know the answer to that question, so I'm hoping someone can give a number.  Is there only 1?  Are there 10?  100?  Let's just say there are 10.  Now, I'm making 3000 Satoshi for about 10 seconds of my time per hour.

I'm pretty sure I can spare 10 seconds an hour... heck, I could even do that while wandering around collecting cans after I finished my shift at McDonalds Tongue.

I don't think you can complete the whole process (going to freebitco.in, login your account, enter the captcha) in just a second.
It probably takes you like 10-20 seconds for just 1 site.

While there are dozens of faucets out there, most of them pays just a fraction of 100 satoshi per claim.

You would probably be scolded by the McDonalds manager for stop working 5 minutes every hour. Smiley

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