Russian liberals threatening secession?

[TaunSew]

https://www.facebook.com/boris.nemtsov/posts/665410086861928

Kremlin frantically fighting separatism in Russia. March for trying to block the federalization of Siberia, which will be held on August 17 in Novosibirsk. General Prosecutor's Office has already blocked the page in FB and VKontakte about this event, as well as many other resources. Organizers called traitors, propagandony received contracts for fighting against supporters of March. By the way, disappeared from the lexicon zombokanalov definition of federalization supporters in eastern Ukraine. Now they militias.
Prepares crackdown on activists who hung out in Kaliningrad German flag over the building of the FSB. They arrested and autumn begins tribunal.
I have repeatedly said that the war with Ukraine will lead to the growth of centrifugal tendencies and separatism in Russia. Boomerang always comes back.
I have repeatedly said that the unity of the country, a key task for all patriots of the country. Federalism save Russia and vertical thieves destroy it.
So what the heck Kremlin supports separatists in eastern Ukraine?? Russia wants to break up?

Protests in St. Petersburg and people calling for federalization in Siberia.  Seems like if Putin sends his armies into Europe he might face a coup de'tat in his own backyard.


Interesting thing about Siberia, you might think it is Russia, is that it is not that much Russian.  Siberia was mainly populated by Cossacks (who are split between Ukrainians and Southern Russians) and then there were enough Ukrainian migrants in recent generations that wide areas of Siberia and the Far East were called "Green Ukraine".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Ukraine

[Nemo1024]

You are looking at it from the wrong perspective. Putin was never going to send any armies anywhere, despite Western MSM propaganda.
However, the activation of the 5th column within Russia to destabilise it internally and make it an easy prey for Western invasion of Russia is well underway.

US is just itching to perform a coup d'etat in Russia, just like they did in Ukraine. After all if 1917 was a success, then why 2014 cannot be too...

[hologram]

Humm what happened to the people who wanted a referendum in Kaliningrad ? Seem referendum is only to joint Russia but then you shut up...

[TaunSew]

Prussia never belonged to Germany.  It was illegally taken by Crusaders and Germanization only occurred as recently as the 1850s (although the locals switched to speaking German in the late 1700s).  The Germans Knights were so friendly to the Balts that they did things like tie Prussian, Latvian and Estonian women to trees and shot arrows at them.

The region would had been given to Lithuania a long time ago, much like Khruschev gifted Crimea to Ukraine, but the Lithuanians never exactly made themselves trusted.  The alternate was then between gifting the region to Poland or Russia keeping it and Russia went for the latter.

[hologram]

that's not the question, the question is about doing a referendum cause Putin say that he take care about what people want... There will be referendum in Quebec and Scotland you know ?

[247crypto]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_subjects_of_Russia

[TaunSew]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_subjects_of_Russia

Yes but historically the "last republics" (the Soviet Republics) voted themselves away from Russia.  If I were a hypothetical politician in Moscow I would be nervous about creating anymore republics, especially in big regions like Siberia where the locals don't necessarily feel 100% Russian due to isolation or indigenous background.

[247crypto]

Yes but historically the "last republics" (the Soviet Republics) voted themselves away from Russia.  If I were a hypothetical politician in Moscow I would be nervous about creating anymore republics, especially in big regions like Siberia where the locals don't necessarily feel 100% Russian due to isolation or indigenous background.

Soviet Union is not "Russia".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_okrugs_of_Russia#Ethnic_composition_of_autonomous_okrugs (wikipedia is free, listen it)

About what isolation are You talking?

[TaunSew]

Yes but historically the "last republics" (the Soviet Republics) voted themselves away from Russia.  If I were a hypothetical politician in Moscow I would be nervous about creating anymore republics, especially in big regions like Siberia where the locals don't necessarily feel 100% Russian due to isolation or indigenous background.

Soviet Union is not "Russia".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

Yes I forgot, everyone was genderless and had no race - they were 'Soviet' people!   

[Nemo1024]

It's quite difficult to break the Western-built association of USSR=Russia, even though it's not true.
Russia was a member republic of USSR, and went under the name of RSFSR (Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic). Though Federative was stated in its name, it had little say in its own affairs, so the soviet leaders did with Russian federative subjects and territories as they saw fit, as if that was their private property. Khushjov meddled with Crimea, Stalin with Ossetia, Lenin with Novorossia.

[247crypto]

Yes I forgot, everyone was genderless and had no race - they were 'Soviet' people!   

Yes, You can see it Now in Novorossia. No race people fight with jewish-neo nazi groups.

Genderless is might be You?

[Balthazar]

Federalisation is not secession, this term means splitting a unitary state to set of entities, which are connected by federative treaty. If you're already a subject of federative treaty then any demand of federalization is a total nonsense. Actually I'm not surprised to see a nonsense published by Nemtsov, he's well known hypocrite & bullshitter here.

But of course, any unitary subject of federative tready (like Republic of Crimea) could be turned into federative state as subject of federative treaty... And split to a few republics pupulated by tatars, ukrainians and russians See RSFSR for example of federative state as a subject of federative treaty.

[TaunSew]

that's not the question, the question is about doing a referendum cause Putin say that he take care about what people want... There will be referendum in Quebec and Scotland you know ?

John Chretien, who surprisingly never went to jail (over many things), was busted years after in embezzlement and gerrymandering to make sure Quebec would lose that referendum (it lost by a measly 0.0058%).  The same tricks will probably be utilized in Catalonia and Scotland and nobody will contest the results.

Canada would be a very different country if Quebec had left like it was supposed to.  Country would had probably been broken up into four parts.  There would probably be no Chinese colonization of the country, for instance (not saying that is a good or a bad thing but stating the facts, immigration policy in Canada was always dictated by Ottawa who wanted a bigger stronger country).  Ontario would be a landlocked banana republic with no industry (well it's already that minus the landlocked).  The Maritimes  and Westcania would be a Saudi Arabia due to Oil.

 Quebec would had been the second biggest loser.  Instead Quebec stayed in Canada and they get free daycare, free university and free everything at the expense of the oil producing regions.  Ontario, even though it's a $hithole, people there can relocate to other provinces whereas if Canada had broken up Ontario would had been a giant prison full of poor people (like Moldova or Ukraine).

[hologram]

Quebec is really a pain for Canada, i hope they will success to secede for the rest of the country. I support all secessionist movement, even if it's for doing a stupid thing.

[TaunSew]

Quebec is really a pain for Canada, i hope they will success to secede for the rest of the country. I support all secessionist movement, even if it's for doing a stupid thing.

Quebec will legally never be allowed to leave Canada.  Ottawa is full of 'Canadian Nationalists' (pretty much Bolsheviks) who want a Canada of 100 million people from Victoria to St. John.  Quebec would have to resort to insurgency to free themselves of Canada.

[hologram]

Quebec will legally never be allowed to leave Canada.  

So they are stupid, they would be better without them. I has read they have oil money from other state but are against the oil sand...

[Balthazar]

https://www.facebook.com/boris.nemtsov/posts/665410086861928

Zhirinovsky vs. Nemtsov
FIGHT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aeijcg6Umo

 

[Mobius]

It's quite difficult to break the Western-built association of USSR=Russia, even though it's not true.
Russia was a member republic of USSR, and went under the name of RSFSR (Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic). Though Federative was stated in its name, it had little say in its own affairs, so the soviet leaders did with Russian federative subjects and territories as they saw fit, as if that was their private property. Khushjov meddled with Crimea, Stalin with Ossetia, Lenin with Novorossia.

The USSR used to = Russia until the end of the cold war and the collapse of the USSR. Today what was the USSR is mainly Russia and other countries that used to be part of the USSR.

[REDoctober]

I would want to secede if I were
under the control of the Russian government.
Murderers will murder until they are STOPPED.

If BLOOD was currency, the Russian government
would be the wealthiest on the planet.

A great book:

https://i.imgur.com/zwCGhR3.jpg

Cheka (pre-KGB) common practices:

https://i.imgur.com/RyVveBE.jpg

Recent history in the Crimea:

https://i.imgur.com/5uBqoA0.jpg

The fighting man's reward for seeking a socialist utopia:

https://i.imgur.com/XqTyayk.jpg

The brave Hungarians:

https://i.imgur.com/VwuYa4v.jpg

[Balthazar]

It seems that we've got another student-run publication from Lithuania. Are you happy with your 2$?