ISIS executes 1,500 Iraqi POWs

[TaunSew]

Let's leave the Indonesians and other Muslims like the Bosnians out of this.  This is not a religious conflict.  It is the continuation of the Arab-Persian war which goes back 1500+ years and even predates Islam.

This is a forgotten history lesson but the Zoroastrians conquered Eastern Arabia (which was Pagan) and that was the catalyst which led to the formation of Islam.  The Arabs, desperate for Revanchism, created a new religion which echoed the organization of Rome to maximize control of their people to drive out the Persian invaders.



The sooner you can address the origins of this conflict the sooner you can bring an end to it.  If the British Empire were still around, someone like Lord Curzon or Mountbatten would draw a line and say: "Arabs on that side and Persians on the other" and the fighting would end tomorrow.

The problem is that the US has not had that sort of statesmen since Woodrow Wilson and Harry S. Truman.  

[poisenrang]

damnit! this is so wrong.... like why would they do that?

[bryant.coleman]

I just don't assume that all Sunnis feel that ISIS represents them.

Not all, but a sizable majority feels that the ISIS represents them. The Sunnis were treated harshly by the Shiite dominated regime of Al Maliki. A lot of experts had warned him earlier and some even requested him to accommodate Sunni Arabs in his government. Al Maliki never listened to them. Now he is reaping the consequence of his arrogance.

[baebygoodnight]

I just don't assume that all Sunnis feel that ISIS represents them.

Not all, but a sizable majority feels that the ISIS represents them. The Sunnis were treated harshly by the Shiite dominated regime of Al Maliki. A lot of experts had warned him earlier and some even requested him to accommodate Sunni Arabs in his government. Al Maliki never listened to them. Now he is reaping the consequence of his arrogance.

Don't forget that a huge part of kurdish people are Sunni's as well and they are the ones who are fighting ISIS the most, it's good that you don't make assumptions.

[Spendulus]

Let's leave the Indonesians and other Muslims like the Bosnians out of this.  This is not a religious conflict.  It is the continuation of the Arab-Persian war which goes back 1500+ years and even predates Islam.

This is a forgotten history lesson but the Zoroastrians conquered Eastern Arabia (which was Pagan) and that was the catalyst which led to the formation of Islam.  The Arabs, desperate for Revanchism, created a new religion which echoed the organization of Rome to maximize control of their people to drive out the Persian invaders.



The sooner you can address the origins of this conflict the sooner you can bring an end to it.  If the British Empire were still around, someone like Lord Curzon or Mountbatten would draw a line and say: "Arabs on that side and Persians on the other" and the fighting would end tomorrow.

The problem is that the US has not had that sort of statesmen since Woodrow Wilson and Harry S. Truman.  

And if it's WAR, then you have international RULES OF WARFARE.  The Geneva Convention.  And oh, don't forget common sense.

The video linked to is not justifable in the context of historical relationships, but is specifically objectionable in said context.

[DodoB]

They should rename Islam from religion of peace to something else more accurate.

[kuusj98]

Piece of shit ISIS, murder those beasts!

Why aren't we yet invading the people and taking action?

[Spendulus]

Piece of shit ISIS, murder those beasts!

Why aren't we yet invading the people and taking action?

One thing I am seeing here is that from the video, specific individuals can be recognized and charged with war crimes.  Or delt with by whomever the local underground is. 

Another thing I'll mention in passing, it's possible top level ISIS did not and does not condone this activity. 

This may sound totally nuts but I betcha you could email them and ask, then post the reply or lack of.

[bryant.coleman]

Don't forget that a huge part of Kurdish people are Sunni's as well and they are the ones who are fighting ISIS the most, it's good that you don't make assumptions.

I was talking about the Sunni Arabs. A majority of the Kurds are Sunni as well (with sizable minorities of Shias, Yazidis and Christians) but very few of them support the ISIS. On the other hand, ISIS enjoys a lot of support among the Sunni Arabs.

[TaunSew]

Doesn't matter if the Kurds are Sunni or Confucian.  This has nothing to do with religion.

It's the continuation of Arab-Persian going back 1500+ years.  Kurds are to Iranians as are Bavarians to Germans.  Arabs don't like Iran or anything to do with Persian history.

By the way the Arabs often dislike Turks too, they've been going after what few Turkic people remain in their lands as well.

[sickhouse]

Barbaric to say the least. But my guess is that this happens frequently in the middle east, especially in Syria. Tough shit to be a soldier there that's for sure.

http://shoebat.com/2014/07/29/rare-footage-muslims-create-literal-river-human-blood-butchering-1500-innocent-people/

Now tell me again why we aren't flying overhead with some A-10 Thunderbolts and spraying these 9th century barbarians with hell fire yet?

Maybe it's comming; http://rt.com/news/178852-obama-authorizes-iraq-airstrikes/

Airstrikes to protect the embassy sure, they wont drop bombs elsewhere. Question is on who.

[bryant.coleman]

Doesn't matter if the Kurds are Sunni or Confucian.  This has nothing to do with religion.

The ongoing conflict is not an Arab-Iranian conflict, but a Sunni vs Shiite conflict. The Sunni Arabs are fighting against the Shiite Arabs. So it has everything to do with religion.

It's the continuation of Arab-Persian going back 1500+ years.  Kurds are to Iranians as are Bavarians to Germans.  Arabs don't like Iran or anything to do with Persian history.

Right now the Iranian revolutionary guards are fighting alongside the Shiite Iraqi army. So that argument is wrong.

[beetcoin]

man i've been watching some morbid shit lately.. few days ago i saw the best documentary i've soon, "the act of killing." it actually follows with the perspective of the guys who are doing the killing (in indonesia that is) and how it affects them psychologically.

[TaunSew]

Doesn't matter if the Kurds are Sunni or Confucian.  This has nothing to do with religion.

The ongoing conflict is not an Arab-Iranian conflict, but a Sunni vs Shiite conflict. The Sunni Arabs are fighting against the Shiite Arabs. So it has everything to do with religion.

It's the continuation of Arab-Persian going back 1500+ years.  Kurds are to Iranians as are Bavarians to Germans.  Arabs don't like Iran or anything to do with Persian history.

Right now the Iranian revolutionary guards are fighting alongside the Shiite Iraqi army. So that argument is wrong.

There were Arabs who sided with the Persian Empire in ancient history.  Mesopotamia (Iraq) was Zoroastrian under the Persian Empire and they were fighting against the initially Pagan and later Islamic Arabs.

This has nothing to do with religion.  It's a continuation of a 1500+ year old war between Arabs and Persians.  The "Shiite" Arabs are really just the descendents of those Arabs who sided with Persia a long time.  Much like Sunni ISIS (Arab) is fighting Sunni Kurds (Kurds who are descendents of Persia)



It's politically correct to write this all off as a religious thing when there's many atheists, people of the same religious branch, Christians, and secularists fighting and they're either picking the side of the Arabs or the Iranians (religion isn't the conflict here). 

There's the whole Caliphate thing among ISIS but that's state level rhetoric and probably an element of revanchism to restore an Arab Empire (not sure whom they are blaming the fall of the Arab Empire on but it's probably been scapegoated on Jews, Shiites and Christians.  When the real source of the decline was due to the succession crises which occurred in Arab dynasties, in part because of too many male offspring due to multiple wives and dynastic violence was tolerated as well.  So you often had good heirs that were murdered by jealous less competent rivals).

[Hawker]

Doesn't matter if the Kurds are Sunni or Confucian.  This has nothing to do with religion.

The ongoing conflict is not an Arab-Iranian conflict, but a Sunni vs Shiite conflict. The Sunni Arabs are fighting against the Shiite Arabs. So it has everything to do with religion.

It's the continuation of Arab-Persian going back 1500+ years.  Kurds are to Iranians as are Bavarians to Germans.  Arabs don't like Iran or anything to do with Persian history.

Right now the Iranian revolutionary guards are fighting alongside the Shiite Iraqi army. So that argument is wrong.

There were Arabs who sided with the Persian Empire in ancient history.  Mesopotamia (Iraq) was Zoroastrian under the Persian Empire and they were fighting against the initially Pagan and later Islamic Arabs.

This has nothing to do with religion.  It's a continuation of a 1500+ year old war between Arabs and Persians.  The "Shiite" Arabs are really just the descendents of those Arabs who sided with Persia a long time.  Much like Sunni ISIS (Arab) is fighting Sunni Kurds (Kurds who are descendents of Persia)



It's politically correct to write this all off as a religious thing when there's many atheists, people of the same religious branch, Christians, and secularists fighting and they're either picking the side of the Arabs or the Iranians (religion isn't the conflict here). 

There's the whole Caliphate thing among ISIS but that's state level rhetoric and probably an element of revanchism to restore an Arab Empire (not sure whom they are blaming the fall of the Arab Empire on but it's probably been scapegoated on Jews, Shiites and Christians.  When the real source of the decline was due to the succession crises which occurred in Arab dynasties, in part because of too many male offspring due to multiple wives and dynastic violence was tolerated as well.  So you often had good heirs that were murdered by jealous less competent rivals).

Where to start?

Seriously you made all that up.  The Shia faith was born in Iraq - Hussein was an Arab. 

Why on earth would you come here and post such total fiction?

[bryant.coleman]

I have good news for everyone. The Iraqi Air Force had launched an air strike in Sinjar a few hours ago. 45 ISIS terrorists are reported to be dead (according to CNN) and many more injured. Some US fighter jets also attacked ISIS positions near Irbil, destroying a mobile artillery unit.

[niothor]

I have good news for everyone. The Iraqi Air Force had launched an air strike in Sinjar a few hours ago. 45 ISIS terrorists are reported to be dead (according to CNN) and many more injured. Some US fighter jets also attacked ISIS positions near Irbil, destroying a mobile artillery unit.

And now everyone will start cursing the us for involvement in another country.

Don't forget to add this to your list of the us invasions.

[REDoctober]

Doesn't matter if the Kurds are Sunni or Confucian.  This has nothing to do with religion.

The ongoing conflict is not an Arab-Iranian conflict, but a Sunni vs Shiite conflict. The Sunni Arabs are fighting against the Shiite Arabs. So it has everything to do with religion.

It's the continuation of Arab-Persian going back 1500+ years.  Kurds are to Iranians as are Bavarians to Germans.  Arabs don't like Iran or anything to do with Persian history.

Right now the Iranian revolutionary guards are fighting alongside the Shiite Iraqi army. So that argument is wrong.

There were Arabs who sided with the Persian Empire in ancient history.  Mesopotamia (Iraq) was Zoroastrian under the Persian Empire and they were fighting against the initially Pagan and later Islamic Arabs.

This has nothing to do with religion.  It's a continuation of a 1500+ year old war between Arabs and Persians.  The "Shiite" Arabs are really just the descendents of those Arabs who sided with Persia a long time.  Much like Sunni ISIS (Arab) is fighting Sunni Kurds (Kurds who are descendents of Persia)



It's politically correct to write this all off as a religious thing when there's many atheists, people of the same religious branch, Christians, and secularists fighting and they're either picking the side of the Arabs or the Iranians (religion isn't the conflict here). 

There's the whole Caliphate thing among ISIS but that's state level rhetoric and probably an element of revanchism to restore an Arab Empire (not sure whom they are blaming the fall of the Arab Empire on but it's probably been scapegoated on Jews, Shiites and Christians.  When the real source of the decline was due to the succession crises which occurred in Arab dynasties, in part because of too many male offspring due to multiple wives and dynastic violence was tolerated as well.  So you often had good heirs that were murdered by jealous less competent rivals).

Where to start?

Seriously you made all that up.  The Shia faith was born in Iraq - Hussein was an Arab. 

Why on earth would you come here and post such total fiction?

You are both right, and the reality is more screwed up. Yes, the Shiites are predominantly non-arab,

and in a way this is a continuation of millenia old rivalries between arabs and persians.

Even in remote antiquity- 4000bc the people of present day Iran were called Elamites,
and their land Elam, translated: The Land of God. And they made habitual war against their southern neighbors- the Sumerians.

The Shiite/Sunni thing adds a religious element that makes the war dreadful, bloody,

ALOT like the wars of Reformation in Europe (catholic vs protestant) during the 1500's.

[bryant.coleman]

And now everyone will start cursing the us for involvement in another country.
Don't forget to add this to your list of the us invasions.

The US had overthrown Saddam in 2003. Had he been in power now, there would have been no ISIS and no persecution of the minorities. Iraq 2003 is already in my list of US invasions. No need to add anything new.