Feature Request for Bitcoin Core: Replace by Fee

[BitcoinGirl325]

It seems like there is nothing I can do to rebroadcast this transaction with a fee, and that I have lost this $1 forever. At least it was only $1, though.

You can. But let us start from the early beginning.
1) Can you show stuck transaction on the blockchain?
2) Do you have another utxo (sorry - this means some other funds on unspent tx output )?

1. The stuck transaction on the blockchain can be seen here: https://blockchain.info/tx/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

2. Sorry, I'm new to this. I don't know if I have other funds on the unspent output. How can I tell?

Thanks,
Scott

I have encountered some strange result regarding your Tx. Except blockchain.info none is showing it !!!

https://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

https://www.biteasy.com/blockchain/transactions/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

Very interesting!! What does this mean? This is making me hopeful!

[byt411]

It seems like there is nothing I can do to rebroadcast this transaction with a fee, and that I have lost this $1 forever. At least it was only $1, though.

You can. But let us start from the early beginning.
1) Can you show stuck transaction on the blockchain?
2) Do you have another utxo (sorry - this means some other funds on unspent tx output )?

1. The stuck transaction on the blockchain can be seen here: https://blockchain.info/tx/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

2. Sorry, I'm new to this. I don't know if I have other funds on the unspent output. How can I tell?

Thanks,
Scott

I have encountered some strange result regarding your Tx. Except blockchain.info none is showing it !!!

https://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

https://www.biteasy.com/blockchain/transactions/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

Very interesting!! What does this mean? This is making me hopeful!

It means that Blockchain.info is being retarded as it usually does. It proves that other nodes can't see this tx at all.
Please wait for a bit, you should be able to get your bitcoins back. I need someone to answer if what I stated is possible.

It seems like there is nothing I can do to rebroadcast this transaction with a fee, and that I have lost this $1 forever. At least it was only $1, though.

You can. But let us start from the early beginning.
1) Can you show stuck transaction on the blockchain?
2) Do you have another utxo (sorry - this means some other funds on unspent tx output )?

1. The stuck transaction on the blockchain can be seen here: https://blockchain.info/tx/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

2. Sorry, I'm new to this. I don't know if I have other funds on the unspent output. How can I tell?

Thanks,
Scott

I have encountered some strange result regarding your Tx. Except blockchain.info none is showing it !!!

https://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

https://www.biteasy.com/blockchain/transactions/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

Weird. Can he just build a raw transaction using Brainwallet.github.io, and then rebroadcast it? (with a fee, of course).

[TwinWinNerD]

It seems like there is nothing I can do to rebroadcast this transaction with a fee, and that I have lost this $1 forever. At least it was only $1, though.

You can. But let us start from the early beginning.
1) Can you show stuck transaction on the blockchain?
2) Do you have another utxo (sorry - this means some other funds on unspent tx output )?

1. The stuck transaction on the blockchain can be seen here: https://blockchain.info/tx/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

2. Sorry, I'm new to this. I don't know if I have other funds on the unspent output. How can I tell?

Thanks,
Scott

I have encountered some strange result regarding your Tx. Except blockchain.info none is showing it !!!

https://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

https://www.biteasy.com/blockchain/transactions/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

Very interesting!! What does this mean? This is making me hopeful!

That you can just broadcast a new transaction with fees on blockr.io or else.

[byt411]

It seems like there is nothing I can do to rebroadcast this transaction with a fee, and that I have lost this $1 forever. At least it was only $1, though.

You can. But let us start from the early beginning.
1) Can you show stuck transaction on the blockchain?
2) Do you have another utxo (sorry - this means some other funds on unspent tx output )?

1. The stuck transaction on the blockchain can be seen here: https://blockchain.info/tx/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

2. Sorry, I'm new to this. I don't know if I have other funds on the unspent output. How can I tell?

Thanks,
Scott

I have encountered some strange result regarding your Tx. Except blockchain.info none is showing it !!!

https://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

https://www.biteasy.com/blockchain/transactions/c238d939b330b682abe1c729300636600254c23c67e1eea4e8daa9abc26dd2c5

Very interesting!! What does this mean? This is making me hopeful!

That you can just broadcast a new transaction with fees on blockr.io or else.

Okay. Bitcoingirl, try this.

https://brainwallet.github.io/#tx

[DeathAndTaxes]

Unfortunately, BitWallet is not the app that is rebroadcasting the transaction. BitWallet only broadcasts the transaction once (according to the BitWallet developers). It is other nodes on the Bitcoin network that are continually rebroadcasting the transaction.

Then they will eventually drop it, a lot of nodes already have.  You will need to import the keys into a new wallet so you can create a "double spend" which pays the minimum fee.

[DeathAndTaxes]

It means that Blockchain.info is being retarded as it usually does. It proves that other nodes can't see this tx at all.
Please wait for a bit, you should be able to get your bitcoins back. I need someone to answer if what I stated is possible.

Blockchain.info has a bad habit of relaying txns which other nodes would simply drop.  It makes it worse when their wallet also creates txns that other clients wouldn't allow it to create.

Most of the network has either never received the original txn or they dropped it because it had insufficient fee/priority.

[byt411]

It means that Blockchain.info is being retarded as it usually does. It proves that other nodes can't see this tx at all.
Please wait for a bit, you should be able to get your bitcoins back. I need someone to answer if what I stated is possible.

Blockchain.info has a bad habit of relaying txns which other nodes would simply drop.  It makes it worse when their wallet also creates txns that other clients wouldn't allow it to create.

Most of the network has either never received the original txn or they dropped it because it had insufficient fee/priority.

DeathandTaxes, can he create another transaction and broadcast it elsewhere then?

[DeathAndTaxes]

DeathandTaxes, can he create another transaction and broadcast it elsewhere then?

Yes.  The private keys need to be extracted from the original wallet and imported into a new wallet.

[BitcoinGirl325]

Unfortunately, BitWallet is not the app that is rebroadcasting the transaction. BitWallet only broadcasts the transaction once (according to the BitWallet developers). It is other nodes on the Bitcoin network that are continually rebroadcasting the transaction.

Then they will eventually drop it, a lot of nodes already have.  You will need to import the keys into a new wallet so you can create a "double spend" which pays the minimum fee.

Thanks. I imported the keys into MultiBit, but MultiBit wouldn't let me do the "double spend" because MultiBit ALSO sees the transaction as still pending/unconfirmed. Perhaps MultiBit is pulling its information from the Blockchain.info site?

[BitcoinGirl325]

DeathandTaxes, can he create another transaction and broadcast it elsewhere then?

Yes.  The private keys need to be extracted from the original wallet and imported into a new wallet.

I tried this with MultiBit and it wouldn't let me spend the coins again there, but maybe I should try it with a different wallet instead.

[BitcoinGirl325]

Okay. Bitcoingirl, try this.

https://brainwallet.github.io/#tx

Thanks! I will try this!!!

[Yoghurt114]

I must say I'm surprised this transaction is still being propagated.

Seeing that it has no fee, I see no reason for nodes to relay this transaction for longer than a few hours, if at all. If it hasn't reached a miner that's prepared to mine it by that time, it likely never will.

[DannyElfman]

I must say I'm surprised this transaction is still being propagated.

Seeing that it has no fee, I see no reason for nodes to relay this transaction for longer than a few hours, if at all. If it hasn't reached a miner that's prepared to mine it by that time, it likely never will.

It isn't. The only NODE i can find that still lists it is BCI... They need to get their shit together!

[BitcoinGirl325]

I must say I'm surprised this transaction is still being propagated.

Seeing that it has no fee, I see no reason for nodes to relay this transaction for longer than a few hours, if at all. If it hasn't reached a miner that's prepared to mine it by that time, it likely never will.

It isn't. The only NODE i can find that still lists it is BCI... They need to get their shit together!

So it seems like all of my problems have been caused by Blockchain.info never dropping the transaction, and the apps that I have been using have all been pulling their information from blockchain.info?

[DannyElfman]

I must say I'm surprised this transaction is still being propagated.

Seeing that it has no fee, I see no reason for nodes to relay this transaction for longer than a few hours, if at all. If it hasn't reached a miner that's prepared to mine it by that time, it likely never will.

It isn't. The only NODE i can find that still lists it is BCI... They need to get their shit together!

So it seems like all of my problems have been caused by Blockchain.info never dropping the transaction, and the apps that I have been using have all been pulling their information from blockchain.info?

Yes most likely, or your app has a memory for unconfirmed tx it sent itself.

[BitcoinGirl325]

Okay. Bitcoingirl, try this.

https://brainwallet.github.io/#tx

I tried this, and it didn't work… it sees the $1 transaction as "already spent", so I can't resend the transaction.

The actual error message on the page says: "Some funds are pending confirmation and cannot be spent yet (Value 0.00163899 BTC)".

[BitcoinGirl325]

Yes most likely, or your app has a memory for unconfirmed tx it sent itself.

Seems like Blockchain is the culprit here. Damn Blockchain!! This is no better than dealing with a centralized bank, if Blockchain.info can singlehandedly prevent this transaction from dropping so I can resend it with a fee.

[Yoghurt114]

Well on the flip side, banks also wouldn't carry your money from A to B if they didn't get payed for it. So there's that.

And BC.I isn't in theory preventing this transaction from happening; it's actually encouraging it by trying to get it to a miner, which it's failing at for obvious reasons. On the other hand, wallets are preventing you from double spending the transaction because BC.I appears to be persistent on relaying a doomed transaction, so in practice, it is preventing you from moving the funds - even if through another transaction, indirectly.

Rest assured all these 'irrelevant usability issues', as myself and many developers would call them, will be worked out before long.

[DannyElfman]

@bitcoinGirl

I'd bet that your transaction will be included in a block within a week!

[BitcoinGirl325]

Well on the flip side, banks also wouldn't carry your money from A to B if they didn't get payed for it. So there's that.

And BC.I isn't in theory preventing this transaction from happening; it's actually encouraging it by trying to get it to a miner, which it's failing at for obvious reasons. On the other hand, wallets are preventing you from double spending the transaction because BC.I appears to be persistent on relaying a doomed transaction, so in practice, it is preventing you from moving the funds - even if through another transaction, indirectly.

Rest assured all these 'irrelevant usability issues', as myself and many developers would call them, will be worked out before long.

Thanks for your thoughts on this matter. Makes perfect sense, all the way around.

And… great news!! My unconfirmed transaction finally "fell off" of Blockchain.info, and I got my coins returned to me!

Only took 4 days!