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August 06, 2014, 03:00:52 AM
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据斯诺登透露的文件,美国国家安全局正在一个耗资$79.7M的项目中努力研制量子计算机。
加拿大公司D-Wave声称成功制造出了小型量子计算机,一旦量子计算机出现,比特币将会怎样?

简单的说:
1,挖矿用的SHA256算法是安全的。量子计算机用于挖矿,挖矿难度大幅提高。
2,比特币用的椭圆曲线签名算法(ECDSA)会被破解。通过量子计算机计算,通过公钥可以找到私钥。
一旦你的地址付过款,公钥就公开,此地址的钱就可能被盗。对于使用多地址钱包,每个地址只使用用一次的用户,钱还是安全的。
3,比特币的签名算法将要升级。

一旦量子计算机出现,现在电子商务、网银广泛使用的RSA 签名算法也会被破解,如果你去问银行,“量子计算机出现后,我的网银安全吗?”,银行会说你杞人忧天,但由于椭圆曲线签名算法的破解对比特币影响更为直接,所以比特币社区对量子计算机更为关注。

虽说量子计算机还在科研阶段,D-Wave的量子设备是否能运算真正的量子运算还受学术界质疑,一旦比特币用于存储大额财富,安全至关重要。

量子计算机出现,比特币会面临挑战,但依旧会前行。

建议:大额比特币不要重复使用地址。
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August 06, 2014, 03:33:33 AM
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我不搞技术不懂这些计算函数,但是关于量子计算机与比特币的问题好像讨论过很多次了,危险真的存在?求解答。
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August 06, 2014, 03:39:21 AM
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如果真的可以通过公钥找到私钥,那比特币体系就算是玩完了。
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August 06, 2014, 04:12:35 AM
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如果真的可以通过公钥找到私钥,那比特币体系就算是玩完了。
比特币数量排名前10名的比特币地址都在那放着呢. 能找到私钥就去吧. 通过公钥找到私钥那天就是比特币完蛋那天.

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August 06, 2014, 04:29:00 AM
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那岂不是很牛逼啊
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August 06, 2014, 04:31:33 AM
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量子计算机跟现在的计算机或超级计算机有什么区别,请大神科普一下  Sad
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August 06, 2014, 06:26:39 AM
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这是比特币的命门。但是,量子计算机在发展,加密算法也会发展,所以事在人为,没必要提前恐惧和应对。

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August 06, 2014, 07:55:59 AM
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量子计算机要是出来不用操心这比特币安全.先着急的是银行.他们的网银也不牢靠,
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August 06, 2014, 07:58:49 AM
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量子计算机跟现在的计算机或超级计算机有什么区别,请大神科普一下  Sad
量子计算机(quantum computer)是一类遵循量子力学规律进行高速数学和逻辑运算、存储及处理量子信息的物理装置。当某个装置处理和计算的是量子信息,运行的是量子算法时,它就是量子计算机
其实我也不懂,不过我会问度娘
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August 06, 2014, 07:59:32 AM
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量子计算机要是出来不用操心这比特币安全.先着急的是银行.他们的网银也不牢靠,
到时候世界各家银行都会有应对的方法的,这就属于紧急情况了
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August 06, 2014, 08:02:09 AM
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玩硬分叉,多重算法
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August 06, 2014, 08:44:46 AM
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关键在于黑客能不能买到或者组装量子计算器。
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August 06, 2014, 12:42:16 PM
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你说的我没听说过!
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August 06, 2014, 12:43:42 PM
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关键在于黑客能不能买到或者组装量子计算器。
目前没有什么问题
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August 06, 2014, 12:46:44 PM
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詳細看這個: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6021/bitcoin-is-not-quantum-safe-and-how-we-can-fix/
這裡有你們所有想知道的!

這是公鑰被量子計算機破解所需時間等級:
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Shor’s algorithm reduces the runtime of cracking elliptic curve cryptography from O(2^k/2) to O(k^3) – that is to say, since Bitcoin private keys are 256 bits long, the number of computational steps needed to crack them goes down from 340 trillion trillion trillion to a few hundred million at most.

就算地址沒花過錢也不安全,危險就在花錢的那一刻,當交易開始廣播的時候,交易可能被不誠實礦工攔截,直接把私鑰破解,然後就呵呵
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If you send a transaction spending all 100 BTC in address 13ign, with 10 BTC going to 1v1tal to pay for goods and 90 BTC change going back to your new address at 1mcqmmnx, the first node that you send the transaction to can replace the change address with whatever they want, recover the private key from your public key, and forge your signature. The only way to get around the problem is essentially to send the transaction directly to a mining pool, like BTCGuild or Slush, and hope that the mining pool will be honest and place the transaction directly into the blockchain. Even then, however, you are vulnerable to a Finney attack – a dishonest miner can forge your signature, create a valid block containing his forged transaction continuing the blockchain from one before the most recent block (the one containing your transaction), and, since the lengths of the old and new blockchains would then be equal, the attacker would have a 50% chance of his block taking precedence. Thus, safe transactions are essentially impossible.
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August 06, 2014, 12:52:51 PM
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照目前的的技术来看很难用一个公钥推出私钥,
这种技术可能数年后才会出现,到时比特币还有没有都不好说
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August 06, 2014, 01:54:26 PM
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量子计算机跟现在的计算机或超级计算机有什么区别,请大神科普一下  Sad
量子计算机(quantum computer)是一类遵循量子力学规律进行高速数学和逻辑运算、存储及处理量子信息的物理装置。当某个装置处理和计算的是量子信息,运行的是量子算法时,它就是量子计算机
其实我也不懂,不过我会问度娘
度娘的解释也很多用了述词,很难理解。
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August 06, 2014, 02:05:25 PM
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等这个东西出来了再说,花这么钱研究这个就为针对比特币?
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August 06, 2014, 06:06:53 PM
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51%攻击,量子计算危机,比特币其实并不完美,仍是一场试验。
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August 06, 2014, 06:17:21 PM
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51%攻击,量子计算危机,比特币其实并不完美,仍是一场试验。
比特币的一些先天性的设计问题好像可以通过一些新软件和技术来解决,乐观点。
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