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May 08, 2011, 01:21:17 PM
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I think either the advanced system or karmalog would be good so that abuse of the system can be identified.  Has anyone used a forum where this feature worked particularly well?  How was it configured and what was the social convention around it?

Edit: Leapfrogged you there, SgtSpike.  Sounds like a vote for the ARS!

All I can say is; great, now bobR is going to troll AND smite on everyone.

I agree.  abuse is fairly simple.

But how would other users know whether a minus is unjust? I don't see that the plus/minus is related to any particular post/activity/transaction. If it was then it would seem it could balance itself out as some may find a post useful and others not. From what I see it is applied to the member and I believe new users will not necessarily understand right away its purpose.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for a rating system. I think it is extremely useful for new and old members both. I just worry that it will be abused the way it operates at the moment.

If instead of the title "Reputation:" it was listed as "Helpful:" or something similar I would feel a little more at ease.

It will be difficult to determine whether a + or - was unjust, and especially in cases of one or more users using a greasemonkey script as linked above, it may be fairly difficult or spammalicious to moderate if too many users start noticeably abusing it, or even providing a not so noticeable form of abuse such as by modifying the script to include randomness in whether or not to + or - or skip altogether.

It makes sense that for such actions, there should be some sort of cost or expense.
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May 08, 2011, 02:08:18 PM
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In my opinion a childish group-think game system has no place on a serious forum like this.

I pay 10 BTC for a Greasemonkey or Firefox plugin that hides the ratings completely.


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May 08, 2011, 02:30:53 PM
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In my opinion a childish group-think game system has no place on a serious forum like this.

I pay 10 BTC for a Greasemonkey or Firefox plugin that hides the ratings completely.



Seconded! And I have 7+/1-.

NO matter how good my reputation is, I just think it's a bad idea.

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May 08, 2011, 04:56:24 PM
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So I have received my first rateing and it is a -1  Huh So I gather I have no way of knowing who or why? Haven't a clue what this is about?

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May 08, 2011, 05:05:06 PM
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So I have received my first rateing and it is a -1  Huh So I gather I have no way of knowing who or why? Haven't a clue what this is about?
Don't worry about it. We're all getting mystery negatives. No-one is going to think bad of you for it.
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May 08, 2011, 05:05:29 PM
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I pay 10 BTC for a Greasemonkey or Firefox plugin that hides the ratings completely.

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May 08, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
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Indeed. This "rating" system needs to be removed ASAP as it is not a useful feedback system.

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May 08, 2011, 05:08:35 PM
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If theymos could somehow get -3, it's proof that the ratings are broken.
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May 08, 2011, 07:21:03 PM
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+1 for removing the rating system.

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May 08, 2011, 08:25:22 PM
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Awesome job, correlation between intelligent posts and negative ratings established. Look at my threads on the equilibrium discussion, those supporting my opinion all got negative votes, especially those using terms like "invisible hand" and "tragedy of the commons". Read and weep, those of you who really understand economics.

I'm wearing my -2 proudly. This system behaves almost like politics; the populists get by far the majority of votes. The outcome does make the administration look a little ridiculous though, if I might add. Wink

Oh, if you want to join the troops shouting "you are wrong" at me... care to add some negative karma? It's a dilemma, to prove this post wrong, you have to add positive. But to try to drown my other arguments, you have to add negative. What do you do now, I wonder? Smiley


Edit: just wondering, is there any punishment if I reach 0/-20 or something?
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May 08, 2011, 08:35:04 PM
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One problem I see with this is that people who simply disagree on a subject will start giving each other negative karma and eventually it will invalidate the helpful post they make


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May 08, 2011, 08:43:33 PM
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I would love to see a Bitcoin NNTP sever.


I'm all for an NNTP server, too!

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May 08, 2011, 08:46:21 PM
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This "rating" system needs to be removed ASAP as it is not a useful feedback system.

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May 08, 2011, 09:33:32 PM
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I don't see anything positive coming from this either. I think it'll just reinforce the circle-jerk that goes on in some threads.  I frequently clash with bitcoin2cash, caveden and that-golden-apple-guy-whos-name-i-forgot on various issues, among others. I enjoy the discussions, but I'm pretty sure I'll be moderated to oblivion by those who would prefer not to see different opinions. Not saying that the guys mentioned would do so, but I do feel that I'm in a minority with my opinion here, and that might not be a good thing for my karma.  Sad

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May 08, 2011, 09:36:28 PM
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I don't see anything positive coming from this either. I think it'll just reinforce the circle-jerk that goes on in some threads.  I frequently clash with bitcoin2cash, caveden and that-golden-apple-guy-whos-name-i-forgot on various issues, among others. I enjoy the discussions, but I'm pretty sure I'll be moderated to oblivion by those who would prefer not to see different opinions. Not saying that the guys mentioned would do so, but I do feel that I'm in a minority with my opinion here, and that might not be a good thing for my karma.  Sad

I booed the karma system because I thought it would lead to group-thinks and irrationality.

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May 08, 2011, 09:51:03 PM
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I don't see anything positive coming from this either. I think it'll just reinforce the circle-jerk that goes on in some threads.  I frequently clash with bitcoin2cash, caveden and that-golden-apple-guy-whos-name-i-forgot on various issues, among others. I enjoy the discussions, but I'm pretty sure I'll be moderated to oblivion by those who would prefer not to see different opinions. Not saying that the guys mentioned would do so, but I do feel that I'm in a minority with my opinion here, and that might not be a good thing for my karma.  Sad

To be fair I don't think those guys will vote you down for disagreeing with them, they don't seem to be that type.  The rating system could be useful if people gave feedback on why they rate people, but they don't.  I've been trying to inform people why I rate them as I would want others to do the same.  But I just got a -1 and am not sure why.  Tongue  Oh well. 
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May 08, 2011, 10:24:01 PM
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I registered a new account and will not post with my normal account until this ridiculous rating system is abolished. It is sad to see that some people would go around and give everybody a -1 for no good reason.
What is even more sad is that they would have to be established forum members with more than 250 posts, so they should really know better. Angry
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May 08, 2011, 10:27:18 PM
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Please give me a feature "ignore all who down-vote this person". A little like the way freetalk does it. Auto-blacklist, their posts being gone from my vision. I know this makes it less anonymous, but it would improve the quality of this forum so much.

Someone who down-votes db, asdf or epii should not get responses from me. Neither do I want to read what they produce. Auto-filtering them out would be a blessing.

This way, the feature would suddenly become awesomely useful.
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May 08, 2011, 10:38:59 PM
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I registered a new account and will not post with my normal account until this ridiculous rating system is abolished. It is sad to see that some people would go around and give everybody a -1 for no good reason.
What is even more sad is that they would have to be established forum members with more than 250 posts, so they should really know better. Angry

I decided after reading this thread to do just that, but I have a good reason: To help show how out of alignment with reality it is.

I smited all the most trustworthy people I could think of, and applauded all the jerks and newbies.

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May 08, 2011, 10:43:49 PM
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I registered a new account and will not post with my normal account until this ridiculous rating system is abolished. It is sad to see that some people would go around and give everybody a -1 for no good reason.
What is even more sad is that they would have to be established forum members with more than 250 posts, so they should really know better. Angry

I decided after reading this thread to do just that, but I have a good reason: To help show how out of alignment with reality it is.

I smited all the most trustworthy people I could think of, and applauded all the jerks and newbies.

That's why I got the -1.  Cheesy

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