State Atheism

[Rigon]

Now the proof is complete.  Atheists commit less crime...fact.  Countries with the most atheists have the highest quality of life indices....fact.   Dictatorships are almost always bad and have absolutely nothing to do with atheism....fact.

Now zolace run along and go start another thread about something equally as retarded as this one.

[Grownwithbtc]

Atheism is a belief also.

[BADecker]

My position has always been straight-forward and beyond doubt.You are a believer in superstitious nonsense.  Christianity is equal to belief in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.
All I need to is to present people like You,as witness...

You can't tell the difference except to claim it's a matter of opinion.

There is ONE great area that throws both atheistic belief, and God directed belief, into turmoil. It is the ABSOLUTE fact that has been proven over and over by science, that neither scientists or non-scientists know anything beyond the basics around us. The proof lies in the fact that science has not been able to cause anyone to live more than 100 years or so. God-religion hasn't been able to do this, either.

And if you say, look at how our lifespans have lengthened from that of, say, only 100 years ago, you are misleading yourself. If you look, you will find various peoples around the world, peoples from any past age that we have record of, right up to the present, some who live to ages longer than we, and some who live shorter lives than we.

Science has done little to improve length of life. Why? Because the universe is so extremely complicated that scientific research has a long way to go to even really grasp how life works in detail. And if they finally understand, we don't even know for sure if they WILL be able to extend life. We simply aren't far enough along in knowledge to know for sure. This having been said, what is there to argue about? None of us knows on our own what is really going on in this universe.

The point is? The point is that since we are so limited in our understanding, and evidence seems to be that it will be a long time before enough scientific breakthroughs will be made so that we WILL have enough knowledge to understand anything, we need to look elsewhere for understanding about which religion is more accurate, atheism, State atheism, God, humanism, Emperor as god, whatever.

One thing is clear. People need/want religion. And anybody who thinks that atheism is not a religion, doesn't really realize that his ignorance is so great that he has deluded himself into believing that he knows way more about the operation of the universe and life than anybody actually knows.

Where can we go for more info, since science isn't providing it? Religious writings/books, the writers of which might have written as philosophy, or they might have written under revelation from God Himself. Since scientists don't know it, check out the other writings. The list of religions can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_text.

Remember, science does NOT have factual evidence for ages beyond about 4,500 years ago. All scientific expression that talks about the age of the earth beyond 4,500 years ago is guesswork. Why? Because the evidences that might suggest how old something is beyond 4,500 years, can be interpreted in ways other than the generally accepted scientific understanding. For example, the idea that the earth is millions of years old is, at its base, based on entire guesswork, potentially flawed interpretations of the evidence, and the honest scientists even express it this way.

Since science hasn't provided a clearly factual knowledge of the age of the earth, we can tell that they aren't providing factual knowledge about anything beyond that which can be proven right here and now by simple demonstration.

Find the philosophy or religious book that fits the facts. The one that seems strongest to me is the Bible.

Life can be fun. Yet we all have fear of the unknown, at least a little. Examine the religions to find knowledge, because science doesn't really have it. Atheism is a religion because we don't have facts that say that God does NOT exist. Atheists simply base their thinking on belief. Atheism is a religion.

[zolace]

To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?

[sana8410]

To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?

Josef Goebells was Adolph Hilter's closest associate and propaganda minister who said (paraphrased)....

"Keep repeating the lie... eventually the people will believe it's the truth..".

[Rigon]

To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?

you are probably right.  Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism.  That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much.  Makes perfect sense

The fact other majority atheist  nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship.  The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights.

[zolace]

To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?

you are probably right.  Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism.  That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much.  Makes perfect sense

The fact other majority atheist  nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship.  The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights.

Interesting - last question was not addressed.  Last two really.

Now, what you did post on, you are taking issue with the OP.  Not sure still you even understand their point.  But, lets ask this - of the examples the link gives, which ones were dictatorships, and which ones were not?

[Gimpeline]

To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?

you are probably right.  Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism.  That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much.  Makes perfect sense

The fact other majority atheist  nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship.  The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights.

North Korea dosen't promote Atheism. Kim Ill sung is their God.
If you dont bow down to their dead God you get killed

[Rigon]

To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?

you are probably right.  Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism.  That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much.  Makes perfect sense

The fact other majority atheist  nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship.  The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights.

Interesting - last question was not addressed.  Last two really.

Now, what you did post on, you are taking issue with the OP.  Not sure still you even understand their point.  But, lets ask this - of the examples the link gives, which ones were dictatorships, and which ones were not?

All of them were essentially dictatorships during whatever brief period of promotion of state atheism.

I'm not sure what questions you refer to .  Atheism offers plenty of hope ......Hope to throw off the yoke of superstition ....hope to no longer be stupid.     In any event, it doesn't have to offer hope....it just is.   The reality is that your bible is a book of fairy tales and folk lure.  The reality is that there is nothing about atheism that makes people bad.  I have proven that.

[Rigon]

Zolace,if atheism is bad....how do you explain the happiness of the people and the low crime of the nation with the highest percentage of atheists?

Ready go....start not answering the question now.

[zolace]

Zolace,if atheism is bad....how do you explain the happiness of the people and the low crime of the nation with the highest percentage of atheists?

Ready go....start not answering the question now.

Well,  not much on the way of hope, was there.So, basically, neither of you see any evidence for anything beyond that physical realm, correct?

[Gimpeline]

Zolace,if atheism is bad....how do you explain the happiness of the people and the low crime of the nation with the highest percentage of atheists?

Ready go....start not answering the question now.

Well,  not much on the way of hope, was there.So, basically, neither of you see any evidence for anything beyond that physical realm, correct?

yup

[BADecker]

To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?

Josef Goebells was Adolph Hilter's closest associate and propaganda minister who said (paraphrased)....

"Keep repeating the lie... eventually the people will believe it's the truth..".

And the only way you can determine what is lie and what is not is to examine the contents and compare them with what is going on around you. As soon as you see somebody censuring your examination, you can bet there are lies involved.

You can't tell what the truth is without making careful examination.

[sana8410]

To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?

you are probably right.  Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism.  That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much.  Makes perfect sense

The fact other majority atheist  nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship.  The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights.

Your people have had more than 2000 years/
You've had a good run, but today people as stupid as you are a dying breed.
Today, and in the future people understand  that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and Jesus are all the same.
Even today,  people know you are a lying sack of shit when you  say Jesus answers your prayers. You can't present anything that supports your beliefs.
Can you give us any good reason to believe that you are not just paranoid/delusional ?

[zolace]

If there are these atheists that are supposedly happy, how come the ones posting on the board here are not?

[zolace]

To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?

you are probably right.  Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism.  That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much.  Makes perfect sense

The fact other majority atheist  nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship.  The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights.

Your people have had more than 2000 years/
You've had a good run, but today people as stupid as you are a dying breed.
Today, and in the future people understand  that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and Jesus are all the same.
Even today,  people know you are a lying sack of shit when you  say Jesus answers your prayers. You can't present anything that supports your beliefs.
Can you give us any good reason to believe that you are not just paranoid/delusional ?

For all practical purposes,you are an atheist.  If a person talks like an atheist, thinks like an atheist, and poops like an atheist, well....

And no reasonable person would gather from his posts that rigon is happy - but, then, no reasonable person is making such a claim (rigon may not call himself an atheist either, but, see 2nd sentence above).

You all clearly have anger issues.

[sana8410]

To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?

you are probably right.  Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism.  That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much.  Makes perfect sense

The fact other majority atheist  nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship.  The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights.

Your people have had more than 2000 years/
You've had a good run, but today people as stupid as you are a dying breed.
Today, and in the future people understand  that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and Jesus are all the same.
Even today,  people know you are a lying sack of shit when you  say Jesus answers your prayers. You can't present anything that supports your beliefs.
Can you give us any good reason to believe that you are not just paranoid/delusional ?

For all practical purposes,you are an atheist.  If a person talks like an atheist, thinks like an atheist, and poops like an atheist, well....

And no reasonable person would gather from his posts that rigon is happy - but, then, no reasonable person is making such a claim (rigon may not call himself an atheist either, but, see 2nd sentence above).

You all clearly have anger issues.

As I've stated in another post...You are "broken", and it really doesn't matter what labels YOU assign to us. I will not presume to speak for others.

[zolace]

To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?

you are probably right.  Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism.  That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much.  Makes perfect sense

The fact other majority atheist  nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship.  The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights.

Your people have had more than 2000 years/
You've had a good run, but today people as stupid as you are a dying breed.
Today, and in the future people understand  that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and Jesus are all the same.
Even today,  people know you are a lying sack of shit when you  say Jesus answers your prayers. You can't present anything that supports your beliefs.
Can you give us any good reason to believe that you are not just paranoid/delusional ?

For all practical purposes,you are an atheist.  If a person talks like an atheist, thinks like an atheist, and poops like an atheist, well....

And no reasonable person would gather from his posts that rigon is happy - but, then, no reasonable person is making such a claim (rigon may not call himself an atheist either, but, see 2nd sentence above).

You all clearly have anger issues.

As I've stated in another post...You are "broken", and it really doesn't matter what labels YOU assign to us. I will not presume to speak for others.

Well, clearly you are blind even towards yourself.  If there is anyone here who  has had several folk point out his issues, it is you, guy.

When you can be honest about yourself, well, then we will see.

[Rigon]

To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?

you are probably right.  Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism.  That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much.  Makes perfect sense

The fact other majority atheist  nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship.  The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights.

Your people have had more than 2000 years/
You've had a good run, but today people as stupid as you are a dying breed.
Today, and in the future people understand  that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and Jesus are all the same.
Even today,  people know you are a lying sack of shit when you  say Jesus answers your prayers. You can't present anything that supports your beliefs.
Can you give us any good reason to believe that you are not just paranoid/delusional ?

For all practical purposes,you are an atheist.  If a person talks like an atheist, thinks like an atheist, and poops like an atheist, well....

And no reasonable person would gather from his posts that rigon is happy - but, then, no reasonable person is making such a claim (rigon may not call himself an atheist either, but, see 2nd sentence above).

You all clearly have anger issues.

I am the happiest person you will ever meet. The life of every party.

Now that we have that cleared up...if atheism is bad....how do you explain the happiness of the people and the low crime of the nation with the highest percentage of atheists?

Ready go....start not answering the question now

[BADecker]

To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?

you are probably right.  Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism.  That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much.  Makes perfect sense

The fact other majority atheist  nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship.  The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights.

Your people have had more than 2000 years/
You've had a good run, but today people as stupid as you are a dying breed.
Today, and in the future people understand  that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and Jesus are all the same.
Even today,  people know you are a lying sack of shit when you  say Jesus answers your prayers. You can't present anything that supports your beliefs.
Can you give us any good reason to believe that you are not just paranoid/delusional ?

Essentially, NOBODY can give anything that supports his/her beliefs, except for ONE vey basic thing. That thing is, EVERYBODY lives by faith. What I mean is, NOBODY knows for a fact what will happen, even in the next second.

We trust, from experience, that life will remain stable for us. But when we examine history and happenings, we see that very often such trust is misplaced.

When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atom bomb, Japanese people simply couldn't believe what had happened. It was beyond their experience. Their natural trust and faith that today would be similar to yesterday was proven faulty.

Now and again we hear about a jogger in his twenties or thirties, who for no apparent reason, simply falls over dead from a heart attack. We ALL live by faith and trust. NONE of us knows what will happen even in the next second (Hiroshim and Nagasaki). The reason that we feel like we know is because there is an inherent, basic stability in the Universe. It makes us FEEL like we know more than we really do.

Examine the Bible in detail. The history recorded therein contains a thread that runs right from the fall into sin, done by Adam and Eve, to the present. That thread is Jesus and the salvation He provides.

The history and philosophy in the Bible will prove to you that the Bible is truth. But you can't dig out the truth if you don't examine it in detail.