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August 09, 2014, 10:50:17 AM
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In Italy is censored VK.com and mail.ru -what is Your problem?

Oh, that's actually great. The latter (company) is also famously known for installing backdoors like Mail Guard and such, so less malware the better.

Who install backdoors? - VK or mail.ru?
Are You thinking, that people have no way to connect with this services?
VPN is still there and some are for free.

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August 09, 2014, 10:56:46 AM
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Who install backdoors? - VK or mail.ru?
Are You thinking, that people have no way to connect with this services?
VPN is still there and some are for free.

Latter.

I see no reason to use such "services" though. Refer to the website in my previous post. You should have no struggle reading it, but maybe it won't be comprehensible to you.

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August 09, 2014, 12:30:54 PM
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Who install backdoors? - VK or mail.ru?
Are You thinking, that people have no way to connect with this services?
VPN is still there and some are for free.

Latter.

I see no reason to use such "services" though. Refer to the website in my previous post. You should have no struggle reading it, but maybe it won't be comprehensible to you.

You should really only speak or actually write in russian with 247crypto , he is using a very bad translator (worse than google) for his posts.


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August 09, 2014, 01:26:43 PM
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I see no reason to use such "services" though.

People make there money, it's a reason enough?

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August 09, 2014, 01:29:12 PM
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he is using a very bad translator (worse than google) for his posts.
If i ansver not to Your questions, is not about my translator, is about You will know for free some private info.

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August 09, 2014, 07:03:06 PM
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I see no reason to use such "services" though.

People make there money, it's a reason enough?

Wait, you can get paid for spreading propaganda and malware? Count me in! Give me the info!

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August 09, 2014, 07:11:24 PM
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I see no reason to use such "services" though.

People make there money, it's a reason enough?

Wait, you can get paid for spreading propaganda and malware? Count me in! Give me the info!

You can get paid for developing malware and spyware actually. A quick search on the internet reveals malware development services  Cheesy

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August 09, 2014, 08:00:15 PM
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What bothers me the most is the title of the thread. It makes it as if Tzar Putin sits on a throne and hands out laws. Whereas in reality, the legislative branch in Russian Federation is State Duma (Parliament), and they can be quite creative with the laws they coin. Putin may suggest that something needs attention. So can a quite powerful lobby that has seen a number of laws not favourable to Russia passed.

This blogger law, as well a number of laws targeting the internet are not well thought-out, but they are there to protect Russia from the 5th column and a repeat attempt on performing a colour revolution, just like it was done in many post-Soviet countries. Russia has military to protect it against an open armed invasion. No one says that Russia should not have an army. (OK, maybe US complains a bit that Russia moves its army within its own borders.) But the world is changing and an invasion can take different forms. These laws are forming a groundwork for a defence system that aim to protect Russia from this new threat vector. These laws will also need to be refined and revised. And the current outcry and pointing out of the absurdities will be a valuable feedback to further legislative effort.

And to digress. If Russia, as a democracy, decides to have a ruler with monarch-like powers, is it in US jurisdiction to say that such a choice is wrong undemocratic and perform a corrective democratic bombing/sanctioning? There's been precedents for such a democratic choice of monarchy: Novgorod Republic is one. So what if Putin has the support of the population and said population chooses to go the way of more authocratarian leader? Russia in general has a tendency to view a need for a strong central figure. If Obama became a president of Russia, he would be expected to look into all local affairs and to personally direct local bureaucrats on complaints from the citizens. There was one time when Russia started to drift away from the strong central ruler - after the February revolution of 1917, when the foundation for constitutional monarchy and for state Duma were laid. However, that path of development was cut short, and Russia again fell under the central monarch-like rule of the Soviet leaders. What Russia is going through now is a way of finding a governance system that works for it and the mindset of the people populating the country. That this emergent form might not coincide with what the Western "democracies" view as "correct", is not the business of those Western countries.

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August 09, 2014, 08:06:48 PM
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What bothers me the most is the title of the thread. It makes it as if Tzar Putin sits on a throne and hands out laws. Whereas in reality, the legislative branch in Russian Federation is State Duma (Parliament), and they can be quite creative with the laws they coin. Putin may suggest that something needs attention. So can a quite powerful lobby that has seen a number of laws not favourable to Russia passed.

This blogger law, as well a number of laws targeting the internet are not well thought-out, but they are there to protect Russia from the 5th column and a repeat attempt on performing a colour revolution, just like it was done in many post-Soviet countries. Russia has military to protect it against an open armed invasion. No one says that Russia should not have an army. (OK, maybe US complains a bit that Russia moves its army within its own borders.) But the world is changing and an invasion can take different forms. These laws are forming a groundwork for a defence system that aim to protect Russia from this new threat vector. These laws will also need to be refined and revised. And the current outcry and pointing out of the absurdities will be a valuable feedback to further legislative effort.

And to digress. If Russia, as a democracy, decides to have a ruler with monarch-like powers, is it in US jurisdiction to say that such a choice is wrong undemocratic and perform a corrective democratic bombing/sanctioning? There's been precedents for such a democratic choice of monarchy: Novgorod Republic is one. So what if Putin has the support of the population and said population chooses to go the way of more authocratarian leader? Russia in general has a tendency to view a need for a strong central figure. If Obama became a president of Russia, he would be expected to look into all local affairs and to personally direct local bureaucrats on complaints from the citizens. There was one time when Russia started to drift away from the strong central ruler - after the February revolution of 1917, when the foundation for constitutional monarchy and for state Duma were laid. However, that path of development was cut short, and Russia again fell under the central monarch-like rule of the Soviet leaders. What Russia is going through now is a way of finding a governance system that works for it and the mindset of the people populating the country. That this emergent form might not coincide with what the Western "democracies" view as "correct", is not the business of those Western countries.


Seems like titles like

Ethnic cleansing in Ukraine
Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia
EU contractors in Ukraine
Russian Federation against paid trolls.
MH17 - Where is shrapnel?

Are not bothering you.

The title is because of his statements:


Putin calls internet a 'CIA project'  http://news.yahoo.com/russias-putin-calls-internet-cia-project-144259718--finance.html

The Russian president told a media conference in St Petersburg that America's overseas espionage agency had originally set up the internet and was continuing to develop it.

Speaking Thursday at a media forum in St. Petersburg, Putin said that the Internet originally was a "CIA project" and "is still developing as such."

To resist that influence, Putin said, Russia needs to "fight for its interests" online.




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August 09, 2014, 08:09:46 PM
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after the February revolution of 1917, when the foundation for constitutional monarchy and for state Duma were laid
It was a republic, not a constitutional monarchy, and it was very similar to modern Ukraine.

Actually constitutional monarchy could be the best system, and Peter Stolypin (one of the greatest Russia's prime ministers) has done the most of work in order to implement it. But he was assasinated by "The People's Will" terrorists and didn't finish the reform.
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August 09, 2014, 08:40:38 PM
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I see no reason to use such "services" though.

People make there money, it's a reason enough?

Wait, you can get paid for spreading propaganda and malware? Count me in! Give me the info!
You would really end up on the bottom if you were to "get paid" to spread this. By spreading this you would be making the world and the economy less secure, and there would be a greater chance that you would end up being victim of theft digitally.

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I see no reason to use such "services" though.

People make there money, it's a reason enough?

Wait, you can get paid for spreading propaganda and malware? Count me in! Give me the info!

If You have nothing to sale, VK is not for You.

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http://www.worldbulletin.net/world/142200/russia-demands-internet-users-show-id-to-access-public-wifi


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Putin, who alarmed industry leaders in April by saying the Internet is "a CIA project", says the laws are needed to fight "extremism" and "terrorism."

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The decree, signed by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev on July 31 but published online on Friday, also requires companies to declare who is using their web networks. The legislation caught many in the industry by surprise and companies said it was not clear how it would be enforced.


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And you currently live in?


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August 10, 2014, 04:09:40 PM
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How in hell are they going to effectively ban Bitcoin? Of course they could stop any banks from letting you cash out BTC money but if we got a massive amount of shops all over the world accepting BTC payments, how could the gov know that you bought the package with BTC? unless they open ever single package to check the bills?  Huh

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August 10, 2014, 04:19:13 PM
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How in hell are they going to effectively ban Bitcoin?
Captain Obvious: They're not going to do that.
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August 10, 2014, 07:22:11 PM
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Putin is not really at war with the internet but rather, I believe he is taking control with a strategic way, but tbh similar steps are being implemented or discussed in EU countries or US but we don't talk about them as much but since it's the evil Putin and it's Russia it becomes a headline article
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August 10, 2014, 10:43:15 PM
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Meh, he should just disconnect his country for his own good.

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August 10, 2014, 11:44:55 PM
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Tell me moar.
Suck deeply.

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