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March 25, 2012, 07:30:32 PM
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  I've been following a thread on the forum where a member of the community has defaulted on debts. The solutions, while at first, seemed to be public airing of ones dirty laundry. Many have come to dislike that behavior and at times it is inappropriate. The decision on whether such behavior of public airing is and should be done on a case by case basis. If it is just to discredit or hurt, then it is reprehensible. But if it is to correct behavior and apply consequences to ones actions, then it can be acceptable.
 When one hurts a community through intentional or even unintentional acts, the community responds to 'try' and make one feel bad. A form of 'Shunning' or 'Stigma' is placed on the individual. I would caution that the community should not forget to allow a path to redemption. Without such a path, it will hurt the overall community. The 'shunned' should with time and retribution to the community be allowed to continue within the community.
  The choice of redemption, once allowed by the community, is squarely put on the individual. Does that individual, no matter what his circumstances or current problems are, choose the path of redemption? Basically, slowly but surely right all wrongs and make the community whole. With time, after the community is made whole, the community will accept that individual back into the group. And will probably be more 'Trusted' then before. Because he has shown that when problems arise, he will not run and hide. He will stand up, struggle, and slowly make people whole. He will withstand the insults (true or not) and squarely face life with a good character.
  The community does itself justice by allowing this process to happen with time. The time required is mainly up to the wrong doer and others willingness to forgive. The Bitcoin community has/is showing many signs of how economies and societies have emerged throughout our history. What people have lost today, around the 'civilized' world is the sense of community. Rather they rely on the 'legal' system to right wrongs rather than the community righting the wrongs as a whole. Many people once convicted of something are thrown away as 'no good' or 'damaged' goods.
  However, wrong doers should be forewarned. The path to redemption is never easy, always hurts, and has a lasting effect on your name. Stories will be told about you for a long time to come. I would hope you choose the long hard path and be accepted back. Or as many weak willed, non-community oriented people choose to do, they run and hide. The only problem with choosing that route is you are not part of a community, you are an individual ( a lonely one ) who's character means nothing to yourself. Yes, you might have 'successfully' stolen money and equipment and think that you won. The sad part is that you lost way more than you stole. Character has nothing to do with wealth, status, or position. It is a badge that people wear without intending to wear it and when it gets tarnished they promptly try to polish it no matter how long it takes.




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March 25, 2012, 08:28:58 PM
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That's fine if you have a community of 100 or so. Once you get to towns of over a million people, reputation is meaningless.  People take the money, move a few blocks over and act all respectable.  You need something more forceful for justice.

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March 25, 2012, 08:41:28 PM
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In America, corporations have most of the rights of an individual without the accountability. If you have enough money, you can commit virtually any crime you want through a corporation with no consequences. If the corporation's reputation is soiled, you just shuffle some papers and voilà, you have a spotless record. Individual accountability means nothing anymore.

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March 25, 2012, 10:09:18 PM
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That's fine if you have a community of 100 or so. Once you get to towns of over a million people, reputation is meaningless.  People take the money, move a few blocks over and act all respectable.  You need something more forceful for justice.


At onetime, Yes. Now however, the person(s) in question is/are known around the world.

But to use your example towards a IRL situation. Communities exist; participation in them is a choice. Take NYC, there is a Brighton Beach Community, a Chinese Community, a Jewish Community, etc...




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March 25, 2012, 10:16:21 PM
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In America, corporations have most of the rights of an individual without the accountability. If you have enough money, you can commit virtually any crime you want through a corporation with no consequences. If the corporation's reputation is soiled, you just shuffle some papers and voilà, you have a spotless record. Individual accountability means nothing anymore.


Correct. You can't put Corporations in Jail. The worst one could do is destroy the corporation financially.

However, your point is taken and has been used to perpetrate some huge crimes upon the public.

I will go out on a ledge here and say: Any person that seeks Public Office or become an Executive in a Public Corporation should be mandated to have full financial transparency. e.g. Every Penny spent private and/or personal would be accounted for to the penny.

If they don't want that level of scrutiny, then don't take the job that will pay you millions of dollars (if you act appropriately).  As for the Public Office, this would be even more crucial because the risks are far more greater than a single corporation going bad. It would be governments (Federal, State, and Local) going bad.

Ironically the IRS and Feds want to track every penny YOU spend. I want to track every penny THEY spend.


Corporations have been enthroned, An era of corruption in high places will follow and the money power will endeavor to prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. ~Abe Lincoln 1ApJdWUdSWYw8n8HEATYhHXA9EYoRTy7c4
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