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August 16, 2014, 07:29:46 AM Last edit: August 16, 2014, 06:04:11 PM by Full Spectrum |
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It just came upon me that US Citizenship is more a curse not a Blessing. Cons: US has highest healthcare costs in the 1st world US has highest gini coefficient in the 1st world US has worst privacy laws in the 1st world US spends 687.3 billion on military spending, which doesn't create capital or useless capital(war devices) Pros: No Value Added Tax Significantly lower Income tax Best Colleges in the world(if your privileged) California (although I've heard Chile is a great alternative)
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August 16, 2014, 07:33:14 AM |
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It is a blessing for people who are depended on government and required state subsidy. That is more than 50% of the population.
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August 16, 2014, 07:36:56 AM |
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Absolutely.
As a soldier I appreciate the freedom the U.S. gives me and that is why I fight for mine and everyone else's right to be an American.
It is no surprise that the U.S. has it's own flaws, however we do not have savage militia soldiers terrorizing and killing hundreds of people which seems to be occurring frequently in other countries lately.
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Full Spectrum (OP)
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August 16, 2014, 07:44:36 AM |
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Absolutely.
As a soldier I appreciate the freedom the U.S. gives me and that is why I fight for mine and everyone else's right to be an American.
It is no surprise that the U.S. has it's own flaws, however we do not have savage militia soldiers terrorizing and killing hundreds of people which seems to be occurring frequently in other countries lately.
True but those tend to be predominantly 3rd world nations, specifically nations that were "Liberated" by the US. Also not to sound aggressive, but could you provide the Pros of US citizenship? It would help with discussion, etc.
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August 16, 2014, 09:11:20 AM |
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A true blessing for those coming from 3rd world and get free education and free health care.
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August 16, 2014, 11:19:49 AM |
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A true blessing for those coming from 3rd world and get free education and free health care.
People often criticize the us but if you look on how many people want to get into the us and Europe and how many into Russia and china.... There is a clear indicator where is better to live.
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August 16, 2014, 12:50:20 PM |
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It just came upon me that US Citizenship is more a curse not a Blessing. Cons: US has highest healthcare costs in the 1st world US has highest gini coefficient in the 1st world US has worst privacy laws in the 1st world US spends 687.3 billion on military spending, which doesn't create capital or useless capital(war devices) Pros: No Value Added Tax Significantly lower Income tax California (although I've heard Chile is a great alternative)
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You may be right to criticize USA situation because healthcare is expensive, bad privacy lows etc. but please understand that in overall quality of life (salary, quality of education, available jobs, security, quality of health care etc.) USA in one of the best countries in the world., If you want to study or find good paying job, or start business, you will go to USA, not Africa or some other third world country. what do you think, why so many people from Mexico so desperately trying to enter USA, even with a risk of life? From their viewpoint USA is golden opportunity, almost heaven on the earth. Sure, many things can improve in USA, like in any other country, but for the most people in the world US Citizenship will be great blessing, not punishment ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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August 16, 2014, 01:13:07 PM |
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It's a blessing. Complaining about expensive healthcare? Yes, it should be free, but at least you have healthcare. Better than just dying in the street. Absolutely.
As a soldier I appreciate the freedom the U.S. gives me and that is why I fight for mine and everyone else's right to be an American. It gives you the freedom to invade any country you want even when it isnt a threat? It is no surprise that the U.S. has it's own flaws, however we do not have savage militia soldiers terrorizing and killing hundreds of people which seems to be occurring frequently in other countries lately.
LOL. The irony. America and American soldiers commit massacres all across the world every year without fail.
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August 16, 2014, 01:13:48 PM |
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It's a blessing if you are white.
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August 16, 2014, 03:10:54 PM |
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It's a curse. The FSA (Fascist States of America) is a hellhole.
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August 16, 2014, 04:08:54 PM |
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It's a curse. The FSA (Fascist States of America) is a hellhole.
And the Retarded Union of Super Idiots and Alcoholics is heaven on earth.
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August 16, 2014, 04:11:52 PM |
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August 16, 2014, 04:44:06 PM |
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It's a curse. The FSA (Fascist States of America) is a hellhole.
And the Retarded Union of Super Idiots and Alcoholics is heaven on earth. I have never heard of a place called "Rusia".
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August 16, 2014, 05:28:17 PM |
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Pretty much any non ex-convict can buy and own a firearm or as many as you want and all the ammunition you can afford. And the kinds of firearms range from old school flintlocks to modern semi-automatic weapons. I used to be what one would call a 'gun polisher' which means someone who lives and breathes the 2nd Amendment. I still hold it in high regard but I'm just not into guns like I used to be. For instance, I envisioned myself w/ all the top of the line pistols and assault weapons but in reality, I'm cool w/ a few pistols and a shotgun for home defense and that's it. We live off the beaten path and most of my neighbors have plenty of guns so our block is pretty secure.
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August 16, 2014, 05:32:36 PM |
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For a normal citizen, it is a blessing. Because:
#1. Added protection. You will be rescued within hours, even if you are kidnapped by pirates in Somalia. #2. No need for VISA, for visiting most of the world nations. #3. Access to the biggest job market in the world.
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August 16, 2014, 06:00:31 PM |
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For a normal citizen, it is a blessing. Because:
#1. Added protection. You will be rescued within hours, even if you are kidnapped by pirates in Somalia. #2. No need for VISA, for visiting most of the world nations. #3. Access to the biggest job market in the world.
None of those really apply in America anymore for a normal citizen, maybe if you're at least Petite Bourgeoisie, but anything less is extremely hard. Basically Numbers 1 and 2 in my opinion only apply to the top 10% of income earners have the privilege of visiting foreign nations, and possibly getting captured. Biggest jobs market? Yeah if your well privileged enough to get a STEM college degree then this applies, anything less than STEM masters degree which is only available to Petite Bourgeoisie and Bourgeoisie dooms you to low pay service industry jobs(McDonalds, Walmart, etc) due to the end of American domestic manufacturing. But that is my opinion, and you have yours so lets be friends ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Another issue/con with the US is it's useless subsidy for the Defense of; Canada, South Korea, and the Western World, the US shouldn't be paying for the defense of nations that have the complete ability to defend themselves. Hell the UK, and Greece(explains a lot) are the only nations in NATO meeting the standard of paying 2% of GDP in Defense Spending. Pretty much any non ex-convict can buy and own a firearm or as many as you want and all the ammunition you can afford. And the kinds of firearms range from old school flintlocks to modern semi-automatic weapons. I used to be what one would call a 'gun polisher' which means someone who lives and breathes the 2nd Amendment. I still hold it in high regard but I'm just not into guns like I used to be. For instance, I envisioned myself w/ all the top of the line pistols and assault weapons but in reality, I'm cool w/ a few pistols and a shotgun for home defense and that's it. We live off the beaten path and most of my neighbors have plenty of guns so our block is pretty secure.
Totally agree with you on this one, US has most Liberal gun laws in the 1st world. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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August 16, 2014, 06:09:09 PM |
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For a normal citizen, it is a blessing. Because:
#1. Added protection. You will be rescued within hours, even if you are kidnapped by pirates in Somalia. #2. No need for VISA, for visiting most of the world nations. #3. Access to the biggest job market in the world.
None of those really apply in America anymore for a normal citizen, maybe if you're at least Petite Bourgeoisie, but anything less is extremely hard. Basically Numbers 1 and 2 in my opinion only apply to the top 10% of income earners have the privilege of visiting foreign nations, and possibly getting captured. Biggest jobs market? Yeah if your well privileged enough to get a STEM college degree then this applies, anything less than STEM masters degree which is only available to Petite Bourgeoisie and Bourgeoisie dooms you to low pay service industry jobs(McDonalds, Walmart, etc) due to the end of American domestic manufacturing. But that is my opinion, and you have yours so lets be friends ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Another issue/con with the US is it's useless subsidy for the Defense of; Canada, South Korea, and the Western World, the US shouldn't be paying for the defense of nations that have the complete ability to defend themselves. Hell the UK, and Greece(explains a lot) are the only nations in NATO meeting the standard of paying 2% of GDP in Defense Spending. Pretty much any non ex-convict can buy and own a firearm or as many as you want and all the ammunition you can afford. And the kinds of firearms range from old school flintlocks to modern semi-automatic weapons. I used to be what one would call a 'gun polisher' which means someone who lives and breathes the 2nd Amendment. I still hold it in high regard but I'm just not into guns like I used to be. For instance, I envisioned myself w/ all the top of the line pistols and assault weapons but in reality, I'm cool w/ a few pistols and a shotgun for home defense and that's it. We live off the beaten path and most of my neighbors have plenty of guns so our block is pretty secure.
Totally agree with you on this one, US has most Liberal gun laws in the 1st world. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Which kind of democratic system do you prefer, People's Democratic Dictatorship or Liberal Democracy?
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August 16, 2014, 06:40:34 PM |
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Which kind of democratic system do you prefer, People's Democratic Dictatorship or Liberal Democracy?
It would be nice if our original constitutionally limited republic drafted by the framers didn't get perverted into a democracy which was then played into an oligarchy but at this point, I'd take the no confidence preference allotted by a parliamentary system. That said, we still have widespread gun ownership under the current system. If a benevolent monarchy was possible, I'd go with that also. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Ultimately, I'd prefer a totally free society/world w/o governments. We're miles off I know.
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August 16, 2014, 06:52:10 PM |
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Blessing. Only exception may be if you are a US citizen and have to work or live abroad for extended periods. Due to restrictive income laws many international banks refuse to do business with US citizens.
The USA is in a period of stagnation or even decline but the rest of the industrial world, e.g. Europe is not doing too great either. The fact that other countries are doing better doesn't mean USA is doing poorly.
However, if the people of the US do not muster some political will to prevent constantly being lied to about their long term prospects I can see the US entering a decline along the lines of post WWII United Kingdom.
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