American journalist James Foley reportedly beheaded by ISIS

[Kluge]

I don't think it's reasonable to not accept that Foley was beheaded by ISIS (though yeah, I've had the displeasure of watching a few Taliban execution videos which leaked out, and they're very different, but people and organizations are all different, so...), but it's difficult to justify more deaths (including Americans) to fight something which can't die (or at least, something which the USG has shown it can't or won't kill). We fought the Taliban. Their numbers were estimated at ~45,000 when we went in. Now, they're estimated to be 60,000 strong and growing (AFTER killing tens of thousands of 'em), and in the meantime, our thirst for justice has led to >3,000 ISAF deaths, >10,000 Afghan National Security deaths, and ~20,000 civilian/contractor deaths.

Moreover, very frankly, meddling in Iraq and Afghanistan has cost the USG $4-6T, money which could've been spent elsewhere, certainly including life-saving sectors desperate for funding. In low-development countries, a life can be saved for ~$400-2,000. In the US - and this is mostly out of my ass - maybe $40,000 for someone who could be cured of something but isn't because they can't pay for it, or deaths of crimes brought by poverty. -So, outside the ~2,600 American deaths, we used enough money to've effectively eradicated poor healthcare and famine in third- and second-world countries, or basically every American dying of a death which could've been prevented by having more wealth (for years if incurable).

I mean - can you just imagine how much better off everyone would be if we simply donated $1T in material aid to Afghanistan (~20-30x their annual GDP) and DIDN'T blow their infrastructure to Hell and frequently halted or impeded business? Maybe we wouldn't be spending so much just on counternarcotics in Afghanistan if our efforts were to build people up instead of shooting them down - maybe Afghanis really would raise llamas instead of growing poppies. US companies could still make the goods, and then we'd have a stronger useful economy instead of a stronger kill economy, and there's no reason for civil war when there's little resource scarcity. Look at that, and it's just.... why try suffocating terrorists with their own blood when we could just suffocate them by dropping hundreds of thousands of canned goods, books, medical supplies, seeds, livestock (... well, I'm not sure if there's a cheap way of safely dropping hundreds of lambs from hundreds of ft up), and building materials on their hideouts? When an "enemy combatant" is identified out in the open, I have no doubt it would be far more beneficial to literally just spray so much USD at him, he's knocked over and can't breathe because he has hundreds of pounds of fiat crushing his body and preventing air circulation. There aren't many wrong changes we could make compared to how awful the consequences of military intervention is.

It's the same damned thing for police, prisons, and related. Police and an outrageously high prison population can only deal with symptoms of a problem (and maybe not even in an effective way), and we still throw more money at treatment than we do at a cure. (alright, I'm out of high-horse one-liners, now)

[axxo]

The beheading of a Human being like as if he was an animal, clearly shows how cold blooded and backward this Islamic militants are.

[DhaniBoy]

Journalist is a kind of independent profesional, so if they are getting news from the war area, they must be protecting by the law of journalist
so if james foley reportedly beheaded by ISIS, it's a high rank of crime, so ISIS must be responsible what has been done to the reporter
hopefully there is a justice for this high rank crime ...

[Jesu]

They are a bunch of murderous scumbags
The civilised world needs to pull its finger out and get medieval on them

Oh, you want civilised world to put them down? To kill more people? Lol

Exactly. You can't really pretend to be the more civilized party or country when you resort to stooping down to their level. People get angry because a westerner has been beheaded, but don't seem to mind when their armies blow civilian children to bits in the process of getting "justice" or retribution. You can't fight terrorism with more terrorism.

[PeanutCoins]

While the US policy of not negotiating with terrorists is unquestionably correct, the lack of resolve in an effective response to this atrocity is kind of pathetic. Why not tell them that you're going to flatten a population center under ISIS control each day until the other hostage is released? Also assure them that the second hostage being executed will result in Raqqa being turned into a Dresden redux.

America has more than enough conventional ordinance to lay waste to ISIS controlled regions of Syria to a level unseen since Tamerlane did in the 15th century. Why not give them something to fear?

[PeanutCoins]

was it right for obama to play golf right after?

[zolace]

While the US policy of not negotiating with terrorists is unquestionably correct, the lack of resolve in an effective response to this atrocity is kind of pathetic. Why not tell them that you're going to flatten a population center under ISIS control each day until the other hostage is released? Also assure them that the second hostage being executed will result in Raqqa being turned into a Dresden redux.

America has more than enough conventional ordinance to lay waste to ISIS controlled regions of Syria to a level unseen since Tamerlane did in the 15th century. Why not give them something to fear?

So your thought is to destroy civilian population centers of people that have been recently conquered by ISIS at least partially because ISIS took over some American weaponry?

That should work well.
Do people still have conversations with you on purpose?

[PeanutCoins]

While the US policy of not negotiating with terrorists is unquestionably correct, the lack of resolve in an effective response to this atrocity is kind of pathetic. Why not tell them that you're going to flatten a population center under ISIS control each day until the other hostage is released? Also assure them that the second hostage being executed will result in Raqqa being turned into a Dresden redux.

America has more than enough conventional ordinance to lay waste to ISIS controlled regions of Syria to a level unseen since Tamerlane did in the 15th century. Why not give them something to fear?

So your thought is to destroy civilian population centers of people that have been recently conquered by ISIS at least partially because ISIS took over some American weaponry?

That should work well.
Do people still have conversations with you on purpose?

No. My thought is to make an example of ISIS and the civilians who acquiesce to it. Something shocking and savage which will form a strong cultural memory amongst the people there, sort of like how the Crusader sack of Maarrat al-Nu'man did. They're used to weak responses and have no idea of how much stronger Western forces are in comparison... if they simply had the will to use their power reasonably.

[umair127]

was it right for obama to play golf right after?

If playing golf helps mister hussein obama come up with a legitimate plan to eradicate Islam from the planet, then yes, him playing was definitely a good thing.

[zolace]

The US systems of government keep the US heavily under shit hole conditions in many states, especially with the failed dark ages approach of capital punishment in use and guns out of control, like some of the atrocious hell holes in darkest africa.

Triple fact rating +1 as confirmed by fact finding factions of the northern fact bureau of facts and figures. Fact.

[Kluge]

While the US policy of not negotiating with terrorists is unquestionably correct, the lack of resolve in an effective response to this atrocity is kind of pathetic. Why not tell them that you're going to flatten a population center under ISIS control each day until the other hostage is released? Also assure them that the second hostage being executed will result in Raqqa being turned into a Dresden redux.

America has more than enough conventional ordinance to lay waste to ISIS controlled regions of Syria to a level unseen since Tamerlane did in the 15th century. Why not give them something to fear?

So your thought is to destroy civilian population centers of people that have been recently conquered by ISIS at least partially because ISIS took over some American weaponry?

That should work well.
Do people still have conversations with you on purpose?

No. My thought is to make an example of ISIS and the civilians who acquiesce to it. Something shocking and savage which will form a strong cultural memory amongst the people there, sort of like how the Crusader sack of Maarrat al-Nu'man did. They're used to weak responses and have no idea of how much stronger Western forces are in comparison... if they simply had the will to use their power reasonably.

What the USG could do is establish a new wing of the armed forces of those who'd otherwise face dishonorable discharge for something violent, preferably rape, and ideally, child rape -- arm 'em with a generous supply of ammo, then drop them in Damascus with no money and no orders.

ETA: WAIT! No -- prison overpopulation in the US solved! Send the worst of the worst on "diplomatic missions!"

[zolace]

The bloke on the video cutting a head off, surely each year you might only get as many as a couple of these HD video renderings offered by a few isolated nutters each year ? Plus it was an English bloke what did it.

Israelis can bomb hundreds of tower blocks in Gaza and wipe out thousands of poor babies and women over the years, nothing like the numbers of a few isolated IS / ISIS beheadings.

Also the numbers of deaths of carpet bombed Cambodians or Afghans / Iraqi deaths by the US of babies and women make a laughing stock of the tiny minuscule number of head chop hatchet jobs. They are not even using proper axes.

[Jesu]

was it right for obama to play golf right after?

What would you want him to have done? There are a million things that Obama could or should be occupied with, but he is also entitled to some time off. People are always going to criticize that sort of stuff with every leader just because they like to moan, but if any one of us cared about the state of the world we wouldn't be sat behind a computer screen and we certainly wouldn't get a single second of sleep at night. The fact that he played golf is utterly irrelevant IMO.

[PeanutCoins]

Do people still have conversations with you on purpose?

Just because I'm anti-Democratic and anti-liberal doesn't mean that I'm a troll. Sure, outside the Western mainstream, but the West is a diseased society rotting from within, and the Western mainstream is somewhat of a hollow idol.

Modernism as the West defines it needs to be deconstructed and replaced with something that works and isn't totally decadent

[zolace]

While the US policy of not negotiating with terrorists is unquestionably correct, the lack of resolve in an effective response to this atrocity is kind of pathetic. Why not tell them that you're going to flatten a population center under ISIS control each day until the other hostage is released? Also assure them that the second hostage being executed will result in Raqqa being turned into a Dresden redux.

America has more than enough conventional ordinance to lay waste to ISIS controlled regions of Syria to a level unseen since Tamerlane did in the 15th century. Why not give them something to fear?

So your thought is to destroy civilian population centers of people that have been recently conquered by ISIS at least partially because ISIS took over some American weaponry?

That should work well.
Do people still have conversations with you on purpose?

No. My thought is to make an example of ISIS and the civilians who acquiesce to it. Something shocking and savage which will form a strong cultural memory amongst the people there, sort of like how the Crusader sack of Maarrat al-Nu'man did. They're used to weak responses and have no idea of how much stronger Western forces are in comparison... if they simply had the will to use their power reasonably.

So what you're saying is that a rational response to horrific crimes is to emulate those crimes? Many people that have been conquered in the area due to the military incompetence and confused foreign policy of the US deserve to die at American hands because the US government didn't have the brains to take their dangerous toys away from people that didn't know how to keep them out of the hands of children?

That is an insane concept. You used to make some sense, but this is ridiculous. Mass killing of people who believe in mass killing won't change their minds, and mass killing of innocent people merely creates long term revenge motives. So you want to direct more hatred at the US? That is insane shit, man. You have issues.

[sana8410]

Do people still have conversations with you on purpose?

Just because I'm anti-Democratic and anti-liberal doesn't mean that I'm a troll. Sure, outside the Western mainstream, but the West is a diseased society rotting from within, and the Western mainstream is somewhat of a hollow idol.

Modernism as the West defines it needs to be deconstructed and replaced with something that works and isn't totally decadent

You are a troll, because your answer to depravity is absolute depravity. You're not so much against the ways of the west as you're jealous that Slavic stupidity wasn't given a similar chance to fail on the same scale.

[newflesh]

According to a few media outlets, the beheader was a former rapper from London (dude in the red baseball cap):



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/25/report-british-ex-rapper-identified-as-person-who-beheaded-james-foley-in-isis-video/
British ex-rapper identified as person who beheaded James Foley in ISIS video

[hdbuck]

The video is bogus. Not saying the foley didnt get killed but there is no way its being authentic since ISIS was/is occidental puppets.
This is yet another mambojumbo from US to mess with syria or whatever they want to do.

Here are the main points of the supercherie:

1/ HD quality, such nice bugdet uh?! is it a gopro?! they can certainly make a commercial out of it..
2/ 2 cams and angles, like a real holywood movie.. such production wow. yet we dont see the most important beheading part. such waste.
3/ They have some sensitive western TV show tie-microphones and there is no wind sound recoreded although they seem to apparently be in the freakin desert
4/ Foley and the other hostage appear in good health, not injured etc whilst being alledgedly captive for months (he even seems to have gained weight ffs!)
5/ They are wearing orange clothes.. which are kinda the same as in guantanamo.. where would desert fanatics would find such nice, clean and even ironed prisoners clothes?
6/ Although foley being 2minutes from death, he does not panic or anything. not a single tear.
7/ Foley talks clamly and repent or whatever. if i knew i was about to be beheaded i would not be that stoic. ffs he does not even glimpse when adressing for the last time his family.
8/ The speech is adressed at westerners. no allah uakbar or anything, just english.. and with a british accent.. lol
9/ Cutted scene of the actual beheading. lol why so cautious for our sensitive western habits? thought the point was to show the world their savagery and godwill.
10/ No blood shed when actually starting the beheading
11/ No blood on the executor's clothes or knife when threatening the other hostage afterwards at the end.

Just freaking bogus. Not the MO of real fanatic islamists that just love showing the blood of the infidels and crying out loud in arabic allah uakbar (especially when executing someone). So what? they evolved?! ^^
Like if they care about your western sensibility or whatever, no, they want to terrorise you. And they are certainly not going to talk the impure english language. These guys have ideals ffs! ^^


edit: and FFS snowden has linked ISIS Supreme Khalif al baghdadi to the CIA and the mossad. So keep your hate and anger towards muslims, this is just BS.

Recent media reports cited documents released by Snowden, saying that Baghdadi is a Western intelligence asset.
The documents state that the ISIL terrorist group was established by the US, British and the Israeli intelligence as part of a strategy dubbed “the hornet’s nest” to draw extremist militants from around the world into Syria.
Baghdadi “took intensive military training for a whole year in the hands of Mossad, besides courses in theology and the art of speech,” the documents explain, according to reports.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/24/376378/baghdadi-mossadtrained-saudifunded/


edit edit: Reminds me of those vids from that funny faked terrorist in the latest Iron man movie.. really

[itsAj]

While the US policy of not negotiating with terrorists is unquestionably correct, the lack of resolve in an effective response to this atrocity is kind of pathetic. Why not tell them that you're going to flatten a population center under ISIS control each day until the other hostage is released? Also assure them that the second hostage being executed will result in Raqqa being turned into a Dresden redux.

America has more than enough conventional ordinance to lay waste to ISIS controlled regions of Syria to a level unseen since Tamerlane did in the 15th century. Why not give them something to fear?

So your thought is to destroy civilian population centers of people that have been recently conquered by ISIS at least partially because ISIS took over some American weaponry?

That should work well.
Do people still have conversations with you on purpose?

No. My thought is to make an example of ISIS and the civilians who acquiesce to it. Something shocking and savage which will form a strong cultural memory amongst the people there, sort of like how the Crusader sack of Maarrat al-Nu'man did. They're used to weak responses and have no idea of how much stronger Western forces are in comparison... if they simply had the will to use their power reasonably.

So what you're saying is that a rational response to horrific crimes is to emulate those crimes? Many people that have been conquered in the area due to the military incompetence and confused foreign policy of the US deserve to die at American hands because the US government didn't have the brains to take their dangerous toys away from people that didn't know how to keep them out of the hands of children?

That is an insane concept. You used to make some sense, but this is ridiculous. Mass killing of people who believe in mass killing won't change their minds, and mass killing of innocent people merely creates long term revenge motives. So you want to direct more hatred at the US? That is insane shit, man. You have issues.

A much better solution would be to educate them as to why mass killing is wrong. If they do not learn and still attempt to kill others then they should be punished, including possibly death, but only if they had committed very hanenious crimes.

[umair127]

We don't have any publicly available data that Qatar for example funds the Islamic State. This has been a pretty popular misconception because these countries fund other Islamist militias who may also work with say the Al Nusra Front or even contain Al Qaeda affiliates, but that isn't the same as directly funding the IS. In fact, these countries have been, under US pressure, cracking down fairly hard on financial sources for the Islamic State and even Al Nusra recently. Saudi Arabia might have at one point, it is hard to tell, we don't really have that data unfortunately and it is difficult to distinguish between private funders and those allowed to fund with Saudi government complicity / support.