Primedice is cheating

[Sevvero]

Thank you OP, I will be sure to stay away from this scam company and suggest everyone else to do so as well.

[dooglus]

[...] will talk more with the devs in an attempt to fix this as it is a known problem that the verification page on their site is in need of a serious redo.

The verification script on PD was fixed several days ago now. You just need to re-copy it into your verifier.

Thank you OP, I will be sure to stay away from this scam company and suggest everyone else to do so as well.

Except OP has been discredited. The rolls are fair, and provably so.

[cHoCo]

but but but ..


something just went totally wrong with me lost about 1 btc with 90odds of winning role 96 damn why? ?? ? ? ? ? ?

and after lose 1 btc i have only 10 mbtc bet 0.005 @90% got two times 92 are you joking ?

[coinfist]

[...] will talk more with the devs in an attempt to fix this as it is a known problem that the verification page on their site is in need of a serious redo.

The verification script on PD was fixed several days ago now. You just need to re-copy it into your verifier.

Thank you OP, I will be sure to stay away from this scam company and suggest everyone else to do so as well.

Except OP has been discredited. The rolls are fair, and provably so.

If the site was using different algorithm than the shown one, I called it cheating, at least not 100% fair.

What if it is "slightly outdated" again? It's totally unfair to every player.

[dooglus]

something just went totally wrong with me lost about 1 btc with 90odds of winning role 96 damn why? ?? ? ? ? ? ?

and after lose 1 btc i have only 10 mbtc bet 0.005 @90% got two times 92 are you joking ?

The 90% bet loses about 10% of the time.

If you bet at 90% three times, there's a 0.1% chance that you will lose all three of them.

I'm super serial.

[dooglus]

What if it is "slightly outdated" again? It's totally unfair to every player.

The roll generation is pretty much the same as on Just-Dice. The description on the site was wrong, and has been fixed since shortly after you pointed out that it was wrong.

Nothing to see here.

[cHoCo]

well 4 in a row .. dammn

[Stunna]

[...] will talk more with the devs in an attempt to fix this as it is a known problem that the verification page on their site is in need of a serious redo.

The verification script on PD was fixed several days ago now. You just need to re-copy it into your verifier.

Thank you OP, I will be sure to stay away from this scam company and suggest everyone else to do so as well.

Except OP has been discredited. The rolls are fair, and provably so.

If the site was using different algorithm than the shown one, I called it cheating, at least not 100% fair.

What if it is "slightly outdated" again? It's totally unfair to every player.

It was never using a different algorithm, the sample verify script on the verify page was just incorrect for a few days and corrected. As many intelligent forum users who understand provably fair have noted:

Primedice is not cheating. I talked to them a few days ago with the same concern, and attempted to change my verifier to work with their system. I might have broke something in the process. The problem is with handling a small number of rolls that go above a certain number initially and need to use a different part of the hash. I will be updating my verifier page to reflect this and will talk more with the devs in an attempt to fix this as it is a known problem that the verification page on their site is in need of a serious redo.

I would trust PD with my money still, and this problem was initially brought up by me after losing a roll. They have not lost any trust in my eyes and should not in yours either, so please hold off on the accusations until I can get my verifier sorted out and they get their verification page sorted out.

It is correct that it's pretty bad for them to have an out-of-date verification page, but it's a new site and it's gonna have it's kinks.

I am in no way affiliated with primedice and everything expressed here is my opinion.

EDIT: Just updated the page, it SHOULD be correct now. If it is still displaying incorrect rolls, please contact me.

[...] will talk more with the devs in an attempt to fix this as it is a known problem that the verification page on their site is in need of a serious redo.

The verification script on PD was fixed several days ago now. You just need to re-copy it into your verifier.

Thank you OP, I will be sure to stay away from this scam company and suggest everyone else to do so as well.

Except OP has been discredited. The rolls are fair, and provably so.

No longer interested in replying to this, It is mathematically provable that PD does not cheat.  I'm pretty sure if I bought coinfist a pair of dice and asked him to generate his own rolls he'd still claim we were somehow cheating him.

[Get.BTC.Now]

Its always cheating when someone doesnt win

[GenieBTC]

[...] will talk more with the devs in an attempt to fix this as it is a known problem that the verification page on their site is in need of a serious redo.

The verification script on PD was fixed several days ago now. You just need to re-copy it into your verifier.

Thank you OP, I will be sure to stay away from this scam company and suggest everyone else to do so as well.

Except OP has been discredited. The rolls are fair, and provably so.

If the site was using different algorithm than the shown one, I called it cheating, at least not 100% fair.

What if it is "slightly outdated" again? It's totally unfair to every player.

It was never using a different algorithm, the sample verify script on the verify page was just incorrect for a few days and corrected. As many intelligent forum users who understand provably fair have noted:

Primedice is not cheating. I talked to them a few days ago with the same concern, and attempted to change my verifier to work with their system. I might have broke something in the process. The problem is with handling a small number of rolls that go above a certain number initially and need to use a different part of the hash. I will be updating my verifier page to reflect this and will talk more with the devs in an attempt to fix this as it is a known problem that the verification page on their site is in need of a serious redo.

I would trust PD with my money still, and this problem was initially brought up by me after losing a roll. They have not lost any trust in my eyes and should not in yours either, so please hold off on the accusations until I can get my verifier sorted out and they get their verification page sorted out.

It is correct that it's pretty bad for them to have an out-of-date verification page, but it's a new site and it's gonna have it's kinks.

I am in no way affiliated with primedice and everything expressed here is my opinion.

EDIT: Just updated the page, it SHOULD be correct now. If it is still displaying incorrect rolls, please contact me.

[...] will talk more with the devs in an attempt to fix this as it is a known problem that the verification page on their site is in need of a serious redo.

The verification script on PD was fixed several days ago now. You just need to re-copy it into your verifier.

Thank you OP, I will be sure to stay away from this scam company and suggest everyone else to do so as well.

Except OP has been discredited. The rolls are fair, and provably so.

No longer interested in replying to this, It is mathematically provable that PD does not cheat.  I'm pretty sure if I bought coinfist a pair of dice and asked him to generate his own rolls he'd still claim we were somehow cheating him.

PD has been there since the start..

[Markmywords]

Mathematically provable that PD does not cheat -hahahah malarky like this makes me even more suspect.

I have seen PD autobet feature make mistakes that could have potentially been very costly.

'Forgot to update verification' -now this is just PURE kak and I would not take this website seriously... They are clearly hiding something behind their 'provably fair system'

That is my opinion anyway

[indoboycoiner]

Lol.. these guys are not cheating. Primedice has been around for so long and still you think they are cheating? Come on...

[xfactorx]

I put .2 on primedice the other day, though I would play a little martingale on 17sat base bet (covers for 20 losses). I lost within 15 mins, or under 500 rolls. This site is pure BS and I strongly suggest you stay away, rather use justdice or something -or better yet -keep ur bitcoin so these a**holes cant steal it

[AirFlame]

First was:

around 37,500 bets were settled as losses when they should have been wins...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.msg8441727#msg8441727

Second was:

WARNING: 100 BTC disappeared when deposited at Primedice

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=791367.0


Now this "outdated script " hmm i dont know what to say... More and more shit flows from the depths of the ocean. But dont worry it's "provable fair"

[dooglus]

I put .2 on primedice the other day, though I would play a little martingale on 17sat base bet (covers for 20 losses). I lost within 15 mins, or under 500 rolls. This site is pure BS and I strongly suggest you stay away, rather use justdice or something -or better yet -keep ur bitcoin so these a**holes cant steal it

Please post a screenshot.

[dooglus]

First was:

around 37,500 bets were settled as losses when they should have been wins...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.msg8441727#msg8441727

Second was:

WARNING: 100 BTC disappeared when deposited at Primedice

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=791367.0


Now this "outdated script " hmm i dont know what to say... More and more shit flows from the depths of the ocean. But dont worry it's "provable fair"

The site's provable fairness is how I discovered they were settling bets wrongly. Without it we would never have known.

The 100 BTC theft was nothing to do with betting. It was stolen directly from the account's balance and so could happen anywhere.

[antonioserrano72]

I put .2 on primedice the other day, though I would play a little martingale on 17sat base bet (covers for 20 losses). I lost within 15 mins, or under 500 rolls. This site is pure BS and I strongly suggest you stay away, rather use justdice or something -or better yet -keep ur bitcoin so these a**holes cant steal it

This sounds so wrong...

[xfactorx]

Dooglus, I don't have a screentshot, but you can believe me. 20 consecutive losses :/ If I can get my primedice history I could prove it. In fact, it is funny you commented... I heard it once rumored that you said there are more high wins than low, so I have on bet high based on this information... :p I set on autobet, went to make some coffee and have a smoke and when I came back my heart almost stopped when I saw I had already busted I had something like .01 left and went all in, won on my 21st roll then soon lost it all..

20 losses in a row.. yeah, I would accept if it happened after a while, but after I make a coffee and have a cigi?!! The chances are like 1/850000 man wtf!?

I don't mind who does and who does not believe me, a friend of mine also had a 20 loss streak on 2x payout. There is something fishy about PD... as soon as you bet anything you just loose. All the little snappers and shrimp who live on the faucet will suck stunnas cock and go everywhere saying what a good website it is, but they aint never lost any real money and they just happy to get 500sat a night. I seen these guys get all sad when they loose like .0005 LOL thats like not even 5 cents

All I can say is this: I DONT KNOW IF PRIMEDICE IS CHEATING, BUT IF I HAD TO WAGER ON IT, I WOULD SAY THERE IS SOME KIND OF MANIPULATION GOING ON. THE 'PROVABLY FAIR' THING IS A FALLACY DESIGNED TO MAKE YOU FEEL SECURE, BUT ASK YOURSELF, CAN YOU REALLY PROVE IT'S PROVABLY FAIR OR ARE YOU JUST TAKING THE WORD OF MANY PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO AGREE BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO INSECURE TO ADMIT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES OF PROGRAMMING AND HACKING AND WHAT IS AND WHAT IS NOT POSSIBLE.

Of course, many little snappers will come here and say jajaja go look you can 'verify your bets' and I reply: STFU -you probably live in your moms basement, get a life and realise people cheat and the world is unfair, and in my opinion bitcoin in general is the perfect place for this kind of cheating and foul play to occur. In future, I have decided to go to a normal casino or play poker, PD is pile of kak and I think they are cheating.

Now folks, that is just my opinion and last time I checked its a free world so I don't care what you say. I have seen many strange stories about PD lately and now after this 20 loss streak I have become dubious too. I not that I can prove they are cheating, but I just have become.... dubious....

[dooglus]

Now folks, that is just my opinion and last time I checked its a free world so I don't care what you say. I have seen many strange stories about PD lately and now after this 20 loss streak I have become dubious too. I not that I can prove they are cheating, but I just have become.... dubious....

The thing is, you don't have to live with doubt as to whether they're cheating or not. You can find out. And I would like you to, so we can all see if they were cheating you. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but isn't it better to know what's going on rather than to have a possibly incorrect opinion about it?

All you need to do:

1) go to your primedice account
2) click on the scales (last but one icon, just above the faucet, "provably fair")
3) copy/paste the text under "Current Seed Pair"

(here's mine):

Current Seed Pair
CLIENT SEED
mynewclientseed
SERVER SEED SHA-256 HASH
d2b83fd44520a374ab5eb5e2dd6f8914e2a7c4628ee7377c162633016359bbe5
BETS MADE WITH PAIR
171

4) click "Rerandomize (Change client seed)"
5) click "set"
6) copy/paste the text under "Previous Seed Pair"

(here's mine - it will be the same as the last stuff you copied, except now it has the "server seed revealed" too):

Previous Seed Pair
CLIENT SEED
mynewclientseed
SERVER SEED REVEALED
adbfbeedb69cdf14a9ac52d7229a3aa780d0d48e4cd6b3c09a88b6c439774ebf
SERVER SEED SHA-256 HASH
d2b83fd44520a374ab5eb5e2dd6f8914e2a7c4628ee7377c162633016359bbe5

If you follow those steps and paste it in a reply here I'll check the rolls for you. I'll be able to see if you really should have got 20 low rolls in a row.

BUT ASK YOURSELF, CAN YOU REALLY PROVE IT'S PROVABLY FAIR OR ARE YOU JUST TAKING THE WORD OF MANY PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO AGREE BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO INSECURE TO ADMIT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES OF PROGRAMMING AND HACKING AND WHAT IS AND WHAT IS NOT POSSIBLE.

I know for a fact that it is probably fair. That doesn't mean that the site DOESN'T cheat. It means only that if they DO cheat you, and you can be BOTHERED, then you can PROVE it. And that's what I'm asking you to do here. Be the guy who finally catches them cheating, prove it, and their game is up. Or, on the other hand, prove to yourself that you were just unlucky. Either way you'll know for sure.

[mllenios]

Lol.. these guys are not cheating. Primedice has been around for so long and still you think they are cheating? Come on...

This guy is terrorizing the biggest and most reputable bitcoin betting site there is.. How many scam accusations did they withstand?