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August 22, 2014, 01:06:29 AM
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In a Ponzi scheme I would be passing along money to someone who passes it to others along the line, then I would need to bait someone else into join so more money passes along the line and I can recover my "investment"... in trade you buy something and hope it to value.
You can work a Ponzi scheme with Bitcoins, as you can with Euros, USD or whatever sort of currency. But Bitcoin itself is not a Ponzi scheme!

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August 22, 2014, 02:12:29 AM
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Something I realized today:
What makes bitcoin any different from a ponzi games that we see in the gambling section?
In those games, you send your coins to someone and he holds it until someone else sends coins and then pays you, in the end no one sends him coins so payouts stop and the last guys who have coins in it don't get a payout.
How is bitcoin any different? You bought coins, someone buys them from you waiting for someone else to buy them and keeps going like that until no one buys them, or less people buy them so they end up losing their money.

Bitcoin is a decentralized ponzi scheme with no central authority. You f*** over each other by selling "bitcoins" to someone else who hopes someone else buys them from him.

You know I'm right.

Disclamer: I am not holding bitcoins any more.
I am taking my money and leaving while I'm up.
Good luck.

Definition of Ponzi scheme is earlier investors are guarantee profit.

That is not the case for bitcoin. Many earlier bitcoin users do not benefit much for the huge gain, coin are lost due to forgotten private key or outright tossing them away because the total amount were small back in the earlier days.

Even if you buy now, it is not a guarantee that you will make profit if bitcoin survive long term. The late comer may profit more than earlier one if the price dropped and then bounce back again.

Bitcoin is more like a total free market asset than a ponzi scheme with no clear winner and loser.

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August 23, 2014, 07:07:50 AM
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In a Ponzi scheme I would be passing along money to someone who passes it to others along the line, then I would need to bait someone else into join so more money passes along the line and I can recover my "investment"... in trade you buy something and hope it to value.
You can work a Ponzi scheme with Bitcoins, as you can with Euros, USD or whatever sort of currency. But Bitcoin itself is not a Ponzi scheme!
This is true. Any currency can be used to fund a ponzi scheme. You don't even need to use a single currency, or any currency at all. I would think that it would actually be more difficult to pull off a ponzi with bitcoin because people who use bitcoin tend to be more savvy.
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August 23, 2014, 11:01:23 AM
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... people who use bitcoin tend to be more savvy.

Might be true for now. But when the price shoots up, a lot of people do rush in....
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August 23, 2014, 11:03:48 AM
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... people who use bitcoin tend to be more savvy.

Might be true for now. But when the price shoots up, a lot of people do rush in....

Then rush out at a panic sale...

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August 23, 2014, 01:23:00 PM
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... people who use bitcoin tend to be more savvy.

Might be true for now. But when the price shoots up, a lot of people do rush in....

Then rush out at a panic sale...

Resulting in them losing a lot of money. And Bitcoin gets a bad name.  Roll Eyes
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August 23, 2014, 02:34:00 PM
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well bitcoin isn't just trading, you are saying that against trading in general, which has little to do with bitcoin...

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Definition of Ponzi scheme is earlier investors are guarantee profit.

That is not the case for bitcoin. Many earlier bitcoin users do not benefit much for the huge gain, coin are lost due to forgotten private key or outright tossing them away because the total amount were small back in the earlier days.

Even if you buy now, it is not a guarantee that you will make profit if bitcoin survive long term. The late comer may profit more than earlier one if the price dropped and then bounce back again.

Bitcoin is more like a total free market asset than a ponzi scheme with no clear winner and loser.



that's not a good example, i mean early in investors in a ponzi could lost their money in other way, bitcoin early investor were rich, if they screwed it at some point they deserved it

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August 23, 2014, 03:04:00 PM
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Something I realized today:
What makes bitcoin any different from a ponzi games that we see in the gambling section?
In those games, you send your coins to someone and he holds it until someone else sends coins and then pays you, in the end no one sends him coins so payouts stop and the last guys who have coins in it don't get a payout.
How is bitcoin any different? You bought coins, someone buys them from you waiting for someone else to buy them and keeps going like that until no one buys them, or less people buy them so they end up losing their money.

Bitcoin is a decentralized ponzi scheme with no central authority. You f*** over each other by selling "bitcoins" to someone else who hopes someone else buys them from him.

You know I'm right.

Disclamer: I am not holding bitcoins any more.
I am taking my money and leaving while I'm up.
Good luck.

so, how is fiat not a ponzi?

no one really wants dollars, they want stuff.

once the last person refuses to accept worthless paper for stuff, the bagholders will have worthless paper.

everything is a ponzi if you look at it like that.
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August 23, 2014, 03:31:41 PM
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Something I realized today:
What makes bitcoin any different from a ponzi games that we see in the gambling section?
In those games, you send your coins to someone and he holds it until someone else sends coins and then pays you, in the end no one sends him coins so payouts stop and the last guys who have coins in it don't get a payout.
How is bitcoin any different? You bought coins, someone buys them from you waiting for someone else to buy them and keeps going like that until no one buys them, or less people buy them so they end up losing their money.

Bitcoin is a decentralized ponzi scheme with no central authority. You f*** over each other by selling "bitcoins" to someone else who hopes someone else buys them from him.

You know I'm right.

Disclamer: I am not holding bitcoins any more.
I am taking my money and leaving while I'm up.
Good luck.

so, how is fiat not a ponzi?

no one really wants dollars, they want stuff.

once the last person refuses to accept worthless paper for stuff, the bagholders will have worthless paper.

everything is a ponzi if you look at it like that.

Fiat isn't a ponzi because it isn't an investment scheme. Fiat is a store of value.
"A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the operator"

Fiat is an IOY based on trust in a government (and ofcourse the fact that countries suffer of "Tragedy of the commons" where we "overgraze" our economy and try to sustain our stupid lifestyles, or simply don't care about the govenment because "other" people should do something about it) Smiley

Bitcoin doesn't have an operator an thus is not a ponzi scheme. It does look like a ponzi since people market it as a sure thing.....

Bitcoin is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get !!
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