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[The Players Edge]

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[elm]

You don't know me, but in my line of work...you're not supposed to. I'm making this post to present an offer to you. You see, I exploit online casinos. I'm not here to give some lame sales pitch, rather, I just want you to watch these short videos and make up your own mind of whether I'm legit or not. If you're interested, feel free to contact me.

Part 1 (Opening Trailer)

http://youtu.be/ClPeErB32S0

Part 2 (for another forum I belong to but figured I would include it here as well since it deals with casinos)

http://youtu.be/7iAO0PFBcoE

Part 3 (an actual exploit deployed and shown to the casino on the front-end)

http://youtu.be/hP-Cw1-ZtgI

I am not so smart so please explain the reason of Your posting? what service are You offering? do you have a website?

[LiteCoinUser84]

Sounds exactly like a lame sales pitch... this sounds very fishy too. If sounds too good, is normally dodgy.

[The Players Edge]

You don't know me, but in my line of work...you're not supposed to. I'm making this post to present an offer to you. You see, I exploit online casinos. I'm not here to give some lame sales pitch, rather, I just want you to watch these short videos and make up your own mind of whether I'm legit or not. If you're interested, feel free to contact me.

Part 1 (Opening Trailer)

http://youtu.be/ClPeErB32S0

Part 2 (for another forum I belong to but figured I would include it here as well since it deals with casinos)

http://youtu.be/7iAO0PFBcoE

Part 3 (an actual exploit deployed and shown to the casino on the front-end)

http://youtu.be/hP-Cw1-ZtgI

I am not so smart so please explain the reason of Your posting? what service are You offering? do you have a website?

No website. If you're interested in retaining my services, I can show you how to look for these vulnerabilities and exploit them...that's the reason for the post. As for what LiteCoinUser84 said about "sounds too good," I suppose that's a compliment.

[elm]

You don't know me, but in my line of work...you're not supposed to. I'm making this post to present an offer to you. You see, I exploit online casinos. I'm not here to give some lame sales pitch, rather, I just want you to watch these short videos and make up your own mind of whether I'm legit or not. If you're interested, feel free to contact me.

Part 1 (Opening Trailer)

http://youtu.be/ClPeErB32S0

Part 2 (for another forum I belong to but figured I would include it here as well since it deals with casinos)

http://youtu.be/7iAO0PFBcoE

Part 3 (an actual exploit deployed and shown to the casino on the front-end)

http://youtu.be/hP-Cw1-ZtgI

I am not so smart so please explain the reason of Your posting? what service are You offering? do you have a website?

No website. If you're interested in retaining my services, I can show you how to look for these vulnerabilities and exploit them...that's the reason for the post. As for what LiteCoinUser84 said about "sounds too good," I suppose that's a compliment.

ok let me ask some more questions.

how much does this service cost?
how long will it take to learn it?
why do you offer this service instead to profit from it.
what if there are no more exploits to find?

[The Players Edge]

You don't know me, but in my line of work...you're not supposed to. I'm making this post to present an offer to you. You see, I exploit online casinos. I'm not here to give some lame sales pitch, rather, I just want you to watch these short videos and make up your own mind of whether I'm legit or not. If you're interested, feel free to contact me.

Part 1 (Opening Trailer)

http://youtu.be/ClPeErB32S0

Part 2 (for another forum I belong to but figured I would include it here as well since it deals with casinos)

http://youtu.be/7iAO0PFBcoE

Part 3 (an actual exploit deployed and shown to the casino on the front-end)

http://youtu.be/hP-Cw1-ZtgI

I am not so smart so please explain the reason of Your posting? what service are You offering? do you have a website?

No website. If you're interested in retaining my services, I can show you how to look for these vulnerabilities and exploit them...that's the reason for the post. As for what LiteCoinUser84 said about "sounds too good," I suppose that's a compliment.

ok let me ask some more questions.

how much does this service cost?
how long will it take to learn it?
why do you offer this service instead to profit from it.
what if there are no more exploits to find?

Cost = 1 BTC
Learning curve = 1 day
Mastering it = depends on the person
I do profit from it (casinos in this forum could attest to that...lol): http://i61.tinypic.com/2wqqzia.jpg

There's always exploits to find on existing casinos and especially when new ones pop up. I just found a new one other the other day.
Just to be clear, I'm not selling some repackaged system. I selling a service which I created from the ground up and created techniques that work the best for me. These techniques I use for my own exploiting.

[marcotheminer]

You should contact gambling site OWNERS and offer your services, you would get alot of btc in bounties and it would be legal!

[elm]

I do profit from it (casinos in this forum could confirm that...lol):

which casino would confirm this? and if yes they would close the hole.

still the answer wasnt satisfying. You say that you make nice money, so why do You offer this service for 1BTC only?

[truehold3r]

You should contact gambling site OWNERS and offer your services, you would get alot of btc in bounties and it would be legal!

Yes this would be the best solution to use your skills, and you will be in peace with yourself and with the law

[The Players Edge]

You should contact gambling site OWNERS and offer your services, you would get alot of btc in bounties and it would be legal!

I've dealt with a few already in a consulting capacity. But after being screwed by a couple, I decided to "change teams" so to speak.

[The Players Edge]

I do profit from it (casinos in this forum could confirm that...lol):

which casino would confirm this? and if yes they would close the hole.

still the answer wasnt satisfying. You say that you make nice money, so why do You offer this service for 1BTC only?

If you're not satisfied, don't be. If you don't like/agree with what I do, don't. If you don't believe what I say, don't. I'm not here to force anyone's hand. 1 BTC is fair because I'm not selling my active exploits, rather, I'm selling a service which shows you how to find vulnerabilities and deploy various exploits once found. You need to have a testing/reverse-engineering mindset to pull stuff like this off. I love what I do because each casino brings its own sets of challenges. Your success depends solely on the effort put into it. That's why 1 BTC is fair in my opinion...I wouldn't give up my current exploits at any cost.

[edmundduke]

Might as well see what this is about, can be a good experience. Looks like some out of the box thinking

Owner of this thread is well known in another forum: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/127679-elliot305.html

[The Players Edge]

Owner of this thread is well known in another forum: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/127679-elliot305.html

Correct, that is me. If anyone looks at the type of threads I've posted on BlackHatWorld you'll quickly see that my resume speaks for itself. I would like to post here a thread I made over there, called "Do not take NO for an answer." It deals with casinos which is why I'm posting it here. Nonetheless, if you look at my BlackHatWorld threads you'll see I have an MBA with exploiting things. Anyway, here is the post I made:

My Case Study

The way I look at it there are two types of noes...the vague one and the affirmative one. Common sense needs to come into play of course with how you distinguish the two. Maybe this has been covered already, but I thought to share a recent experience I had with it (both in the verbal sense as well as action sense). Most people won't come across my type of situation but the concept remains the same and if I was able to do it given the hostile environment I was in then anybody should be able to turn some of those noes into yeses in your future endeavors. It's a bit of a story since it's a case study so if you don't want to read it...don't read it. As always, if you like my share feel free to hit the Thanks button.

My expertise: Exploits

My targets: Casinos

My offer: Consulting

Two months ago I offered consulting to a company after exploiting their system...they took me up on it. The deal was $3,000 per exploit I found. First one they paid me, second one they paid me. A week or so later they relaunch the game and ask me if I can find anything new with it...I did within the hour. I contact them back informing them of this and stated I could get a video made showing it shortly. He says he'll inform his partners and get back to me after the weekend so no need to do it yet.

Monday comes and I notice the game is back online and the vulnerability is no longer there. I emailed him stating my frustration as it appeared I was now used as a guinea pig to answer the question of whether it's secured or not...but not to show them where it was and how to fix it. That's where the "cheap labor" would come in to keep pentesting the site. This is not the deal we had. Is it good business policy to get cheap labor? Sure. But as the old saying goes...you pay for what you get.

When I received a response I was informed that I would be paid a fraction of what the Agreement was since it only took a very short time to find and that my services will now be only used for Yes or No responses pertaining to if their games are secure and I would now be paid at their discretion. The balls on these guys. I knew which side of the fence I had to stand on now. I could have fucked them over for more than 3k on numerous occasions but I was trying to build something of a relationship with them via consulting.

After the game was "fixed" and back online, I dropped what I was doing and dedicated the rest of my day to it. I didn't take NO for an answer with whether I could break the game again. The game was offline for several days to put in the patches so clearly if it was relaunched then everything had to be secure, right? Well, I wasn't going to accept that contention. This wasn't about money anymore. It's one thing to not afford the original Agreement and to work something out with me. It's another thing to railroad me because you got cheaper labor somewhere else and think some guy off of Odesk charging $15 an hour is somehow comparable to me.

Later that day I had the game cracked again. I wasn't paid my "Yes or No" fee yet so I waited for them to send it. That night the exploit was deployed and I got paid...on my terms. Fuck them! My loyalties were misguided based on me trying to go somewhat legit. I knew what had to be done. The next morning, their BTC wallet was empty and the game was pulled offline again...I didn't say a word to them. I could have waited until the weekend when I knew they would put more in for the heavier action but I wanted to leave a message...if you cross me during the day you'll be sorry by the time night hits.

I then focused my attention to their blackjack game which I wasn't able to crack in the whole 2 months of me "working" with them. I had a shit load of motivation and money was only 1% of it. They probably weren't worried about blackjack since I wasn''t able to do anything with it before. But I was up for the challenge. I spent around $400 testing the game out. A lot of my procedures come from aborting and/or malfunctioning the game so I knew heavy testing would come at a larger price. I refused to accept their blackjack game being non-breakable and I was just wasting money. There had to be something...and there was.

This vulnerability didn't come up every time but when it did it paid off huge. I launched the exploit at night and once again by the time morning hit their wallet was empty and the game was offline. Over the next few days they kept their wallet super thin. I sent the owner a skype message to see if they wanted the fix. I knew what I was getting into but business is business and I'm not afraid to purpose an offer to a company I exploited. So, I'll leave out most of the shit talking and insults they threw at me and skip to where my offers come in, the rejections that follow and how I turned that NO into a YES! This was a skype conversation but I'll take out the misc skype details and just leave the text.

ME:

Blackjack down?

THEM:

you tell me
you want 1,000,000,000 to find the defect?
good hit on the video poker too the other day…
can’t say your not good
so what’s up.. you got an itch to steal more, or what?

ME: (1st offer)

just wanted to know why what's up with blackjack. why, did someone crack it? thought you had video poker are secured too? you pay for what you get it suppose.
you want the fix for blackjack?
there's a reason why I did it during the day...to get your attention
don't need to hide behind doing it during the wee hours while you're sleeping
well, if you're interested, feel free to present an offer.
otherwise have your crackerjack team spend days on it.

THEM: (1st rejection)

i’m not interested in dealing with people I can’t trust, and you sir have clearly proven (on 3 occasions now) i can’t trust you
i will have the crackerjack guys attempt to put some bandaids on it

ME: (2nd offer)

i get the job done, i could care less what you think of me.
you want a feel good employee, lol
I'm a businessman...I don't take your shit talking personally. If you wish to present an offer to me tomorrow or whenever, feel free to do so.

THEM:

i’m letting the owners know, we gotta shut down
you’re right, i’m wrong - i’m an idiot
Praise be unto Him

ME:

My offer still stands though. Otherwise, drink some redbull and keep that wallet thiiinnnnn

THEM: (2nd rejection)

Cool story bro

ME: (3rd offer) (here I was looking for an affirmative NO and I would be on my way)

so I know for future reference and to avoid unnecessary conversations with you, is it a moot point trying to offer the fix for what I will continue to find on your site? if so, that's cool, we don't need to communicate any further. I don't reach out to you to just talk. If working with me is off the table going forward then it doesn't make much sense talking any further. So if it is, say so now.

THEM:

so we saw that you could double after you received blackjack. If you have other exploits on blackjack - we haven’t found them yet

ME:

yeah, there's more. doesn't do me any good either since my response will only induce you to hire cheaper labor to look for it and patch it, just like you did before

THEM:

How much do you personally think you could ‘get’ from it? In reality - you did a good job last week.

ME: (4th offer)

if you want to make a deal for the rest of the exploit we can

THEM:

shoot - give me the offer, knowing you could probably get away with it later tonight at 2 AM when I’m asleep

Trust me, the conversation was a lot more contentious than what was included but you can see here that even in situations like this you can sometimes turn that NO into a YES and make money from it. Don't always take what someone says or what a situation brings at face value. There's oftentimes more to the story...or exploit in my case.

[BRE]

only one word from me ........     WOW 

btw nice thread OP

[rz20]

I'm "Sure" you can exploit a blackjack game, but when you are going to cashout they will verify all your bets and they won't send you anything. All the casinos using that games have manual withdraws.

[The Players Edge]

I'm "Sure" you can exploit a blackjack game, but when you are going to cashout they will verify all your bets and they won't send you anything. All the casinos using that games have manual withdraws.

That's where exit strategies come into play. I can tell you from experience that yes, winning is one thing but cashing out is another. I was careless in my first few cashout attempts with various casinos. However, just like with anything, from trial and error you learn a lot. So as I progressed in doing this I learned to keep things more low key with mixing in more game play, losing some of it back and mimicing regular customer activities while inside the casino. The turning point of where I figured out how to form a solid exit strategy was my experiences with Anonibet. It gave me some invaluabe lessons with how to use social engineering with my casino exploiting. Combining both, my exit strategy is now sound.  

[elm]

Cost = 1 BTC
Learning curve = 1 day
Mastering it = depends on the person

so the session is 1 day? how would this day look like? on skype etc? if not mastering it after 1 day session?

[forsakenpnut]

I'd like to see a vouch from someone.

[The Players Edge]

Cost = 1 BTC
Learning curve = 1 day
Mastering it = depends on the person

so the session is 1 day? how would this day look like? on skype etc? if not mastering it after 1 day session?

No, it isn't a session. I would be providing a tutorial video on how to look for vulnerabilities and once found, how to exploit them with various techniques I developed. Mind you, there could be many other things that can be done so its not just limited to what I show you, etc... The video tutorial would also show how to use a specific tool needed for this (which is free to download, etc...).

Then we would do some immediate follow-up on any questions you have and we would have ongoing consulting for whatever questions or guidance you need in the future. I also will be including an active casino exploit as well as show you a current one I'm "working" on. Mind you, with exploits they don't last long so I won't just openly publish it here. But it is there for the taking if people wish to do so.

To sum up, I'm not here to waste anyone's time. I find things that others can't and am willing to share that knowledge and mindset with people via the consulting on how to find casino exploits. I just got into the "biz" a few months ago so there is ample amounts of opportunity out there for everyone. Before doing this, I was exploiting vulnerabilities in Google's Adsense program. Like I said, my resume speaks for itself (albeit you all haven't had a chance to see my results): http://vimeo.com/104368615

[elm]

Cost = 1 BTC
Learning curve = 1 day
Mastering it = depends on the person

so the session is 1 day? how would this day look like? on skype etc? if not mastering it after 1 day session?

No, it isn't a session. I would be providing a tutorial video on how to look for vulnerabilities and once found, how to exploit them with various techniques I developed. Mind you, there could be many other things that can be done so its not just limited to what I show you, etc... The video tutorial would also show how to use a specific tool needed for this (which is free to download, etc...).

Then we would do some immediate follow-up on any questions you have and we would have ongoing consulting for whatever questions or guidance you need in the future. I also will be including an active casino exploit. Mind you, with exploits they don't last long so I won't just openly publish it here. But it is there for the taking if people wish to do so.

To sum up, I'm not here to waste anyone's time. I find things that others can't and am willing to share that knowledge and mindset with people via the consulting on how to find casino exploits. I just got into the "biz" a few months ago so there is ample amounts of opportunity out there for everyone. Before doing this, I was exploiting vulnerabilities in Google's Adsense program. Like I said, my resume speaks for itself (albeit you all haven't had a chance to see my results): http://vimeo.com/104368615

sorry to ask again but maybe I missed something here. are we talking about online casino exploits? or/and other exploits?
like google adsense