Your dream political system

[gts476]

Redo the title to 'Pick your rapist'

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[Balthazar]

So in case of theocratic republic or theocratic monarchy you're choosing Jesus Christ or Allah as your rapist? What a blessing.

[pedrog]

Technocracy.

[gts476]

So in case of theocratic republic or theocratic monarchy you're choosing Jesus Christ or Allah as your rapist? What a blessing.

That would be the priest class raping me, given I can not be raped by an imaginary friend of a sociopath.

[countryfree]

I haven't voted yet. I guess I should choose "Liberal republic" but this would need more clarification, as the range of possibles within the definition of a liberal republic is just too great.

Welcome to thread

Liberal republic is a republic which has proclaimed ideas of liberalism as the core foundation and reason of its existance. This could be defined by constitution, declaration of independence or another charter document. It seems strange nowadays but some liberal republics had no constitution.

Speaking about liberal republics, there is an interesting reading:

http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/files/fischer.pdf

P.S. I agree that these voting options are not so simple. This was made intentionally in order to get more precise figures of political preference.

Thanks for your welcome. I understand that a liberal republic is a place where the government doesn't interfere in anyone's daily life, and the US shall be regarded as such, but the problem is how to fix a limit on what the government of a liberal republic can do. It's dramatic that to start most kinds of business nowadays, one needs a licence and that on any income this business will generate, one must fill forms about it and share part of it (in some liberal republics a large part) with the liberal republic's managers, who may sometimes redistribute some of that.

I should be a partisan of liberal republics, but as a business owner (well, very small business), I often dream of anarchy.

[SRG]

I think USA as originally envisioned was pretty good except for its allowing slavery.  It was set up to avoid the classic democratic problem of the majority abusing the minority (again, except for the obvious slavery issue) and the vote ourselves rich problem.

[gts476]

I haven't voted yet. I guess I should choose "Liberal republic" but this would need more clarification, as the range of possibles within the definition of a liberal republic is just too great.

Welcome to thread

Liberal republic is a republic which has proclaimed ideas of liberalism as the core foundation and reason of its existance. This could be defined by constitution, declaration of independence or another charter document. It seems strange nowadays but some liberal republics had no constitution.

Speaking about liberal republics, there is an interesting reading:

http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/files/fischer.pdf

P.S. I agree that these voting options are not so simple. This was made intentionally in order to get more precise figures of political preference.

Thanks for your welcome. I understand that a liberal republic is a place where the government doesn't interfere in anyone's daily life, and the US shall be regarded as such, but the problem is how to fix a limit on what the government of a liberal republic can do. It's dramatic that to start most kinds of business nowadays, one needs a licence and that on any income this business will generate, one must fill forms about it and share part of it (in some liberal republics a large part) with the liberal republic's managers, who may sometimes redistribute some of that.

I should be a partisan of liberal republics, but as a business owner (well, very small business), I often dream of anarchy.

The US could only be a liberal republic by your definition if it did not interfere in ones daily life. Are you saying the US doesn't interfere in ones daily life?

[gts476]

I think USA as originally envisioned was pretty good except for its allowing slavery.  It was set up to avoid the classic democratic problem of the majority abusing the minority (again, except for the obvious slavery issue) and the vote ourselves rich problem.

Except that the USA originally envisioned evolved into USA today so the USA originally envisioned failed in what was originally envisioned and is itself then a failure.

[BCEmporium]

Anyone can only like Absolutism or Totalitarianism if he intends to be the king or the dictator.  

[Balthazar]

but the problem is how to fix a limit on what the government of a liberal republic can do

Principle of separation of powers to independent legislative, executive and legislative branches is purposed to do that. However, according to some scholars (mostly communists and socialists), it doesn't work as proposed due to corruption. Personal and financial freedoms, given by liberal republic to all its citizens, are resulting with absence of control for relationships between government officials and rich members of society.

I think that the only way to stabilize liberal republic is revoking some freedoms for government officials, otherwise it eventually results with fascism under democratic guise.

[BitCoinNutJob]

Technocracy.

This.  Isnt a resource based economy the best type of political system in theory? can anyone point out why not? (remember this is a working RBE)

You'd have no economic concerns with RBE and could just spend your time exactly as you wanted to no? Efficiency of an RBE means you'd likely have far more choices then any billionaires around right now.

Can an RBE be implemented tomorrow? - no, but this is theory topic no?

[Balthazar]

BitCoinNutJob, are you talking about Taylorism?

Soviet-type planned economy (STP) was the first full-scale attempt to implement the resource-based economy, which was based on ideas of Social Taylorism. Though, there were some critical or even fatal efficiency issues due to centralized management. Hungarians have solved this problem in the 1960s (within a conception of so-called "kadarism"). Others were considered that abandoning the centralized management is not an option... Despite the fact that even Lenin thought the same about inefficiency of centralized management and made significant steps to abandon it in 1920s.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686828.msg8501546#msg8501546

 

[Bogleg]

Absolute monarchy with me being the King.

Think this is everyone dream here as there are only two things we desire, money and power.

[BitCoinNutJob]

BitCoinNutJob, are you talking about Taylorism?

Soviet-type planned economy (STP) was the first full-scale attempt to implement the resource-based economy, which was based on ideas of Social Taylorism. Though, there were some critical or even fatal efficiency issues due to centralized management. Hungarians have solved this problem in the 1960s (within a conception of so-called "kadarism"). Others were considered that abandoning the centralized management is not an option... Despite the fact that even Lenin thought the same about inefficiency of centralized management and made significant steps to abandon it in 1920s.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686828.msg8501546#msg8501546

 

Well is this topic philosophical/ideological or whats practically realistic?

If we are talking whats the best practical solution for society at this point in our evolution i would pick anarcho capitalism as my personal choice.   Anyone with a decent level of power in society already likely wont agree.

If we are talking what would be the very best possible society for humans the RBE put forward by the zeitgeist movement sounds amazing way to live to me.   - Assuming a human being is something like the current configuration so we haven't evolved into some kind of spirit/gas in which case we might not even need "physical resources" to survive.... who knows.

[gts476]

Great debate concerning the 'RBE' put forward in the Zeitgeist vs Free Market Anarcho-Capatalism

Debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUtv5E6CkLE&index=6&list=PLMNj_r5bccUyhGtICwGaW8gFdMyB5nwAE

Analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5jh_lN9TWw&index=7&list=PLMNj_r5bccUyhGtICwGaW8gFdMyB5nwAE

Oh, it's the Zeitgeist Guy/Owner/Whatever (technoLenin) vs. Stefan Molyneux

Couldn't recommend it more!

If you feel the need to 'truncate' your viewing, just watch the Analysis.

[BitCoinNutJob]

Great debate concerning the 'RBE' put forward in the Zeitgeist vs Free Market Anarcho-Capatalism

Debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUtv5E6CkLE&index=6&list=PLMNj_r5bccUyhGtICwGaW8gFdMyB5nwAE

Analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5jh_lN9TWw&index=7&list=PLMNj_r5bccUyhGtICwGaW8gFdMyB5nwAE

Oh, it's the Zeitgeist Guy/Owner/Whatever (technoLenin) vs. Stefan Molyneux

Couldn't recommend it more!

If you feel the need to 'truncate' your viewing, just watch the Analysis.

Haha yeah watched this when it came out.  If it was possible an RBE sounds ideal way to live to me i find it very interesting.   Seem like right now all they have is a philosophy? - Kinda like if we all said money should be like bitcoin  but we didnt have the bitcoin design.

I do think RBE is just Communism 2.0 but at some point we will find a way to achieve "communism" i believe or we will evolve to the point where the debate is no longer relevant.  Star Trek technology etc or actual human physical evolution.

[gts476]

Great debate concerning the 'RBE' put forward in the Zeitgeist vs Free Market Anarcho-Capatalism

Debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUtv5E6CkLE&index=6&list=PLMNj_r5bccUyhGtICwGaW8gFdMyB5nwAE

Analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5jh_lN9TWw&index=7&list=PLMNj_r5bccUyhGtICwGaW8gFdMyB5nwAE

Oh, it's the Zeitgeist Guy/Owner/Whatever (technoLenin) vs. Stefan Molyneux

Couldn't recommend it more!

If you feel the need to 'truncate' your viewing, just watch the Analysis.

Haha yeah watched this when it came out.  If it was possible an RBE sounds ideal way to live to me i find it very interesting.   Seem like right now all they have is a philosophy? - Kinda like if we all said money should be like bitcoin  but we didnt have the bitcoin design.

I do think RBE is just Communism 2.0 but at some point we will find a way to achieve "communism" i believe or we will evolve to the point where the debate is no longer relevant.  Star Trek technology etc or actual human physical evolution.

Fuck my life, ADHD kicks in and I read something that wasn't there! sorry.

We will achieve equality and prosperity, but never communism!

Fundamentally we can create star trek stuff.

We can, right now, make gold from lead.

Problem is........... we can't make something from nothing, even in star trek world we still require energy to be converted to mass of relevant particle  types and bonded etc which requires fuck tons of energy. and the most efficient way to provided that energy atm is through the kinetic energy of firing little particles at big ones.

That why we don't make gold, too expensive in terms of energy.

Where do we get the energy? Not fossels, not wind or solar PTV. Has to be neucleur fission, ie, miniature suns.

Would be awsome though, because if we have mini suns for aa batterys, you fucking know we've got lightsabers!



 

[BitCoinNutJob]

I guess it gets to the point of debating semantics, RBE doesnt necessarily have to be described as communism i dont think.  Communism as a word has a lot of bad stigma attached to it, in simplest form just means sharing resources right?  I guess its unfair to label RBE as just communism. 

I wish TZM would use their donations to start actually designing a decentralized resource allocating system.  What you reckon?

[crocko]

Please add "Social-Democratic" country here

[BitCoinNutJob]

Great debate concerning the 'RBE' put forward in the Zeitgeist vs Free Market Anarcho-Capatalism

Debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUtv5E6CkLE&index=6&list=PLMNj_r5bccUyhGtICwGaW8gFdMyB5nwAE

Analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5jh_lN9TWw&index=7&list=PLMNj_r5bccUyhGtICwGaW8gFdMyB5nwAE

Oh, it's the Zeitgeist Guy/Owner/Whatever (technoLenin) vs. Stefan Molyneux

Couldn't recommend it more!

If you feel the need to 'truncate' your viewing, just watch the Analysis.

Haha yeah watched this when it came out.  If it was possible an RBE sounds ideal way to live to me i find it very interesting.   Seem like right now all they have is a philosophy? - Kinda like if we all said money should be like bitcoin  but we didnt have the bitcoin design.

I do think RBE is just Communism 2.0 but at some point we will find a way to achieve "communism" i believe or we will evolve to the point where the debate is no longer relevant.  Star Trek technology etc or actual human physical evolution.

Fuck my life, ADHD kicks in and I read something that wasn't there! sorry.

We will achieve equality and prosperity, but never communism!

Fundamentally we can create star trek stuff.

We can, right now, make gold from lead.

Problem is........... we can't make something from nothing, even in star trek world we still require energy to be converted to mass of relevant particle  types and bonded etc which requires fuck tons of energy. and the most efficient way to provided that energy atm is through the kinetic energy of firing little particles at big ones.

That why we don't make gold, too expensive in terms of energy.

Where do we get the energy? Not fossels, not wind or solar PTV. Has to be neucleur fission, ie, miniature suns.

Would be awsome though, because if we have mini suns for aa batterys, you fucking know we've got lightsabers!



 

lmao @ lightsabers, hold on now i need to watch a video on nuclear fission -  this is the only way?