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April 06, 2012, 06:37:24 PM
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1) Amazon Affiliates pays a net 60, at the end of the month. So why does Occulta receive multiple gift cards when he should be receiving a lump sum?

2) They pay out in multiple forms. One form is a direct bank deposit. This method would result in 100% less a $15 fee. So why is he selling for a 10% discount?

3) Has he provided proof of the alleged website he owns that generates 1000's a month in affilate commissions?



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April 06, 2012, 07:12:50 PM
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You can have multiple Site ID's in the same affiliates account, makes it easier to track where on your site(s) the traffic is coming from. I believe they pay you for each site id you use. He's selling for 10% less than the value of the cards, but he's still making 100% profit because the affiliate program costs nothing to set up, and nothing to use. Also, Net 60? Not sure what you mean by that.

Why bring up Bank deposit? He's not using that method. He's getting paid in Gift codes.

And yes, Pretty sure I've seen his site(s) at one point, but he has no reason to show them to us. It's quite easy to verify where they came from through amazon.

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April 06, 2012, 07:17:03 PM
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Net 60 means they pay you for the past 2 months. So if he is receiving 40ish cards a month, he has to be running 40 websites. Maybe he is. I bring up the bank deposit because he is crying when another member offers a 20% discount and automatically screams scammer. So if he has the ability to get 100% of his money, where is the incentive to sell here at 10% off? If he wants bitcoins he could just take the direct deposit and go the route of dwolla-->mtgox and take the .5% fee with the $.25 for dwolla.
Plus in order to set up a amazon affiliate program you have to provide a TAX id #. This means that the money he is getting is  taxed as income and he is taking a 10% hit by selling it here. I may have a BS in Bio but this doesn't sound like a good business practice.
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April 06, 2012, 07:19:15 PM
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Also, Net 60? Not sure what you mean by that.


Net 60 is a term used for applying short term credit (usually Purchase Orders) over a period of time.

Businesses don't pay short term credit like people. They can pre-arrange a PO system where they order goods and services from other businesses based ont Net 60, Net 30, and many other arrangements. Net 60 however seems to be the most common.

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Net30 in our business  Grin

Many times you will see terms as 1/2% 10 / Net 30.  This offers a 1/2% discount to the customer if they pay the invoice in full within 10 days or the balance in 30 days (without a discount).

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I have purchased thousands of dollars in gift codes from occulta without any problems.  It has been months since those purchases were made so I am confident that his codes are legitimate.

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April 06, 2012, 08:29:00 PM
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Can we tone down the language a bit from "X IS A SCAMMER" (possibly with a question mark on the end of it) to "I have suspicions about X. X, can you address these questions for me?"

Occulta has done a lot of business with many people and has had no issues. Perhaps you want to know where he gets his cards and perhaps he doesn't want to tell you. Then you don't do business with him, if you don't feel comfortable with it. Why must everything always be a binary choice between "sweet! I'll take 100 of these" or "NO ZOMG YOU ARE A SCAMMOR" for some people? Tongue

So you have a bunch of questions about Occulta. Ask them, but don't call him a scammer until you actually have some evidence that he is a scammer. Adding a question mark does not change things, by the way. Or do you need me to go around asking people if they know whether gamer4156 murdered his wife last year?
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April 06, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
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I am not saying anyone will have problems with his cards.I purchased a $500 one a month or so back and have had zero issues. Here is my problem:

     A new seller enters the market and offers cards at 20% off face value(which is exactly where Occulta started). A current seller who just happens to sell the same product at a lesser discount immediately claims the new person is scamming. What does he provide as evidence? Nothing, his entire argument rests on the premise that selling at such a discount is irrational. No one, not even the mighty occulta, knows the financial and social factors at play with this new seller. What appears to most as irrational could in fact be 100% rational and legitimate.

     My main question to Occulta is why is his 20% so irrational when you started at this discount and now sell at 10%? There is 0 proof that newdude is scamming. There have been ZERO issues with newdudes cards, in fact there have been ZERO issues with Occultas cards. Why is there some lynch mob after newdude? It appears Occulta is just anti free market and hates the competition so he is throwing out accusations that are unfounded and frankly just lies.

     If you are going to jump on the "carding" train, lets see who is really lying about how they get their amazon gift cards.

1) Amazon pays in lump sums once a month. Occulta conservatively sells 30-40 cards a month. So each card MUST be from a separate website.


2) In order to become an amazon affiliate and receive money from them you must provide your TAX ID #. So every dollar that Occulta is getting is being reported from amazon as paid to him. This means that it is being taxed the normal federal and state taxes. Then he comes on here and sells for an additional 10% off. He is essentially raising his tax rate on his alleged affiliate income by 10%, you want to talk about irrational behavior? If he wanted bitcoins he could take the direct deposit(which is offered on ALL amazon affiliate payments) and go through dwolla and mtgox which would save him more than 9%.

    To me the person who is actually "carding" is rather obvious.


    
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April 06, 2012, 09:30:40 PM
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Occulta is in NO WAY a scammer. I have personally done THOUSANDS of $$$ in purchases with him.
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hey gamer, has newdude paid back the 600 dollars he owes to a member yet?

and why have you chosen this particular issue for a crusade?
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hey gamer, has newdude paid back the 600 dollars he owes to a member yet?

and why have you chosen this particular issue for a crusade?

No he has not, and if he decides not to, then YES he is a scammer.He entered into a contractual agreement for a trade, if he doesn't follow through on his end that is scamming.  I am arguing that what he is doing is no different that Occulta. My crusade is against the ignorance of people. When Occulta showed up at 20% no one accused him of being a scammer, and we all just started buying for 20% off. No questions asked. A new seller shows up and a witch hunt lead by his COMPETITOR ensues. How do people not see the conflict of interest. If newdude was infact scamming why were no customers complaining. Read the thread and notice how adamantly occulta is trying to get him banned so he has no customers.

Occulta is in NO WAY a scammer. I have personally done THOUSANDS of $$$ in purchases with him.

I am not saying that he is scamming cards, and that they are by any means fake. All I am saying is that the means to which he gets them is not how he says. But newdudes cards were not fake either and everyone called him a scammer, and chased him from the boards. He was going to sell at 20% off all the time. I just find it funny that a competitor is the one who lead the witch hunt.
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April 06, 2012, 09:46:30 PM
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A new seller shows up and a witch hunt is lead by his COMPETITOR, and this doesn't seem wrong at all? Did one person report their card as not working?

sure, that is unfair but it's just his opinion and I'm sure newdude can defend himself. I have to be honest though, after reading through that thread, I would never do business with newdude - and it's not because of occulta calling scam, it's his reaction that I don't like. The fact that he is withholding paying a debt because of the harsh reception he recieved at this forum makes me question his character even more.

The big thing for me is that I can verify occulta has had successful transactions over on otc but I can't with newdude.

Also, can you explain to me something: Are you calling occulta's deals to good to be true?
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Someone PM'ed me linking me to this thread, i will probably read it in more detail tomorrow but for now i cant be bothered to give a real lengthy reply to these claims.

All i want to say is this user must be:

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purely based on the latest replies in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74747.0;all

seems he is angry and trying to tarnish me here Smiley

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gamer4156 if you are not newdude, you have gone off on a crazy tangent here. He is selling cards at -20% profit, originally here i sold (and still do sell with large buys) at +80% profit. I do own many high traffic websites, but this really isnt any of your business, or anything to do with people being scammed on this forum.

on second review of the link above i am like 75% sure you are all 3 users, you are both having a conversation with each other like 8 posts long, saying how newdude cannot be a scammer. The proof is undeniable about him being a fraud, thats why i am so sure you are all the same person, unless you are all equally stupid?

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sure, that is unfair but it's just his opinion and I'm sure newdude can defend himself. I have to be honest though, after reading through that thread, I would never do business with newdude - and it's not because of occulta calling scam, it's his reaction that I don't like. The fact that he is withholding paying a debt because of the harsh reception he recieved at this forum makes me question his character even more.

The big thing for me is that I can verify occulta has had successful transactions over on otc but I can't with newdude.

Also, can you explain to me something: Are you calling occulta's deals to good to be true?

His opinion was taken as fact, no one gave newdude a chance to build rep. If you look at the orginial thread you will see 10 minutes after he posted he was called a scammer(I dont know if the timestamp is from edits or what so take this with a grain of salt) But still the FIRST post in this thread was from occulta accusing him. Now occulta does have great rep and has done tons of transactions, but why did everyone take his opinion as an absolute?

I do agree with you, I dont like the way he dealt with the situation. I would have loved for him to stay and give us amazon codes for 20% off. Some people can take criticism better than others.

I am not saying whether his deal is to good to be true, I do not know all the economic and social factors that allow him to sell at this rate. All I am saying is that if he gets his money from amazon affiliates(and is being taxed on it) to turn around and sell it for 10% off makes 0 sense to me. If we follow Occulta's reasoning then yes Occulta must in fact be "carding" like newdude.
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Someone PM'ed me linking me to this thread, i will probably read it in more detail tomorrow but for now i cant be bothered to give a real lengthy reply to these claims.

All i want to say is this user must be:

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purely based on the latest replies in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74747.0;all

seems he is angry and trying to tarnish me here Smiley

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gamer4156 if you are not newdude, you have gone off on a crazy tangent here. He is selling cards at -20% profit, originally here i sold (and still do sell with large buys) at +80% profit. I do own many high traffic websites, but this really isnt any of your business, or anything to do with people being scammed on this forum


First of all I called it, that someone would assume I am him since I stood up for him.

But exactly it is NOT my business to know where you get your cards. No one asked you when you first started. But why did a new seller have to prove where his cards came from? If he was in fact scamming he would have been weeded out like all the rest, thats what the market does. He was not given a chance, because you automatically called him a scammer with no proof and people took your word for it. It is not a couple websites you own but 40+. If you are able to do this all the power to you, but using your argument one comes to the same conclusion about you as newdude.
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First of all I called it, that someone would assume I am him since I stood up for him.

But exactly it is NOT my business to know where you get your cards. No one asked you when you first started. But why did a new seller have to prove where his cards came from? If he was in fact scamming he would have been weeded out like all the rest, thats what the market does. He was not given a chance, because you automatically called him a scammer with no proof and people took your word for it. It is not a couple websites you own but 40+. If you are able to do this all the power to you, but using your argument one comes to the same conclusion about you as newdude.


Seriously man, i have stated this probably 4-5times now on all these threads:

I make +80% profit, from amazon associates, selling here for 20% discount.

He makes -20% loss, by buying GCs with a credit card (talked to amazon in great detail about this now), and selling here for 20% discount


If you can still compare the both of us after reading that, then you are clearly cant read? simple math, there is no comparison. How i earn, what websites i run is a totally different subject.

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I'd be interested in whether you actually have an honest connection inside Amazon, because it is more likely that the chat support agent is blowing smoke up your ass. Privacy laws and all that shit.

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I'd be interested in whether you actually have an honest connection inside Amazon, because it is more likely that the chat support agent is blowing smoke up your ass. Privacy laws and all that shit.

Theymos said the same thing, but i have spoke with chat reps and the first time they said there was not a problem with the codes, but it was suspicious that someone would buy $1000 of $100 GCs, yes they did tell me this... as they was all from the same account. The next time i spoke with them (when newdude reposted the codes) well, i posted that transcript. After theymos wanted direct from amazon to remove this user i contacted them again, and will forward his email onto them

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April 06, 2012, 10:46:34 PM
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They are 100% the same here is why:

You earn $1000 from your supposed amazon affiliates account. You then take this 1000$ in USD and convert it into Amazon gift cards. You sell it at a 20% discount you get $800/$1000.

Newdude earns $1000 from selling Ipads.He then converts it into $1000  in amazon gift cards. He sells it at a 20% discount he gets 800/1000.

You are both taking 1000$ earned and turning it into 800$.
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And I find it suspicious that you would take 1000$ earned in USD (that could be directly deposited into your bank account +$1000) and turn this into +800$.

Try and find a whole in that argument.
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