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August 28, 2014, 02:08:08 AM |
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Anonymous and verifiable voting systems based on bitcoin will soon be a reality, certainly. Still that will not bring about Democracy 2.0, straight a way. My challenge is simple, why not start with a Beta version of it where all votes are public and identified? Having a plataform where people can discuss and vote all sorts of matters in a liquid democracy fashion, making the results widely known to everyone seems to me actually particularly vital for bringing about a democracy whereby citizens decide or delegate decisions directly. In a time where more than ever a few oligarchs control the destinies of everyone it seems utterly important that we are able to give back voice and power to the people. Maybe we could start with a website that uses facebook as login to identify the individuals and later move on to more anonymous systems with voting based on blockchain technology. What do you thing? This could become as huge as wikipedia and eventually show them why they should accept bitcoins...  |
{ Imagine a sequence of bits generated from the first decimal place of the square roots of whole integers that are irrational numbers. If the decimal falls between 0 and 5, it's considered bit 0, and if it falls between 5 and 10, it's considered bit 1. This sequence from a simple integer count of contiguous irrationals and their logical decimal expansion of the first decimal place is called the 'main irrational stream.' Our goal is to design a physical and optical computing system system that can detect when this stream starts matching a specific pattern of a given size of bits. bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166760.0 } Satoshi did use a friend class in C++ and put a comment on the code saying: "This is why people hate C++".
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August 28, 2014, 02:30:21 AM |
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Anonymous and verifiable voting systems based on bitcoin will soon be a reality, certainly. Still that will not bring about Democracy 2.0, straight a way. My challenge is simple, why not start with a Beta version of it where all votes are public and identified? Having a plataform where people can discuss and vote all sorts of matters in a liquid democracy fashion, making the results widely known to everyone seems to me actually particularly vital for bringing about a democracy whereby citizens decide or delegate decisions directly. In a time where more than ever a few oligarchs control the destinies of everyone it seems utterly important that we are able to give back voice and power to the people. Maybe we could start with a website that uses facebook as login to identify the individuals and later move on to more anonymous systems with voting based on blockchain technology. What do you thing? This could become as huge as wikipedia and eventually show them why they should accept bitcoins... I've always liked this idea of Democracy 2.0. If I were to start another project this is the area I would like to be in. Let me know how I can help!  Oh, also we wouldn't use f.b lets just use https://onename.io/ ! |
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remotemass (OP)
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August 28, 2014, 03:26:50 AM |
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I think we should start with something very simple, like a website just llike reddit but instead of posts and links people would submit polls/questions that everyone could vote on.
You could upvote or downvote any poll and set for how many days you think the poll should run.
Each poll would run for the average of days set.
People could discuss just like on reddit.
Later we could make it more sophisticate with ways of avoiding too much repetition with hashtags and circles of people that would get voting and moderating powers delegated to them.
I can help with testing. I can read code like php, mysql, css and stuff.
Do you like my idea of a reddit of polls?
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{ Imagine a sequence of bits generated from the first decimal place of the square roots of whole integers that are irrational numbers. If the decimal falls between 0 and 5, it's considered bit 0, and if it falls between 5 and 10, it's considered bit 1. This sequence from a simple integer count of contiguous irrationals and their logical decimal expansion of the first decimal place is called the 'main irrational stream.' Our goal is to design a physical and optical computing system system that can detect when this stream starts matching a specific pattern of a given size of bits. bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166760.0 } Satoshi did use a friend class in C++ and put a comment on the code saying: "This is why people hate C++".
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August 28, 2014, 03:29:50 AM |
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I think we should start with something very simple, like a website just llike reddit but instead of posts and links people would submit polls/questions that everyone could vote on.
You could upvote or downvote any poll and set for how many days you think the poll should run.
Each poll would run for the average of days set.
People could discuss just like on reddit.
Later we could make it more sophisticate with ways of avoiding too much repitition with hashtags and circles of people that would get voting and moderating powers delegated to them.
I can help with testing. I can read code like php, mysql, css and stuff.
Do you like my idea of a reddit of polls?
Yes, I've always thought why not reddit polls. Voting/democracy should take place where people are. Give me a Private Message send you one instead and lets discuss how we can make some cool democratized voting system using the blockchain technology  |
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August 28, 2014, 03:53:40 AM |
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How can we make sure its one vote for one person ? Linking a SSN to a private key would work for voting in an actual gov run poll but on a website like reddit I'm not sure how we can stop double-voting. IP is not a good idea either (Nat)
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August 28, 2014, 03:55:27 AM |
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How can we make sure its one vote for one person ? Linking a SSN to a private key would work for voting in an actual gov run poll but on a website like reddit I'm not sure how we can stop double-voting. IP is not a good idea either (Nat)
Yes, this is the key question. I'm assuming it can be turned off or on if the creator of the poll wants that but still needs to have to have a 1 vote for 1 vote system. SSN to a private key might work yes. |
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promojo
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August 28, 2014, 05:43:01 AM |
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Anonymous and verifiable voting systems based on bitcoin will soon be a reality, certainly. Still that will not bring about Democracy 2.0, straight a way. My challenge is simple, why not start with a Beta version of it where all votes are public and identified? Having a plataform where people can discuss and vote all sorts of matters in a liquid democracy fashion, making the results widely known to everyone seems to me actually particularly vital for bringing about a democracy whereby citizens decide or delegate decisions directly. In a time where more than ever a few oligarchs control the destinies of everyone it seems utterly important that we are able to give back voice and power to the people. Maybe we could start with a website that uses facebook as login to identify the individuals and later move on to more anonymous systems with voting based on blockchain technology. What do you thing? This could become as huge as wikipedia and eventually show them why they should accept bitcoins... How could this be possible? Wouldn't the bitcoin debs have to develop contracts like the etherize project? I don't get how today we can combine votes using bitcoin... Please explain more |
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August 28, 2014, 06:26:41 AM
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How could this be possible? Wouldn't the bitcoin debs have to develop contracts like the etherize project? I don't get how today we can combine votes using bitcoin... Please explain more
Promojo: search for voting systems based on bitcoin. Not necessaily with Ethereum. I think we should start with something humble and far from perfect. Two factor aurhentication with mobile number could help a bit with single vote, I think. Also, I keep thinking we should use facebook. Like it or not, it is the best Id/Login system for this purpose. Till we have sonething better with the help of Govs we should definitely use Facebook for this project, I think. |
{ Imagine a sequence of bits generated from the first decimal place of the square roots of whole integers that are irrational numbers. If the decimal falls between 0 and 5, it's considered bit 0, and if it falls between 5 and 10, it's considered bit 1. This sequence from a simple integer count of contiguous irrationals and their logical decimal expansion of the first decimal place is called the 'main irrational stream.' Our goal is to design a physical and optical computing system system that can detect when this stream starts matching a specific pattern of a given size of bits. bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166760.0 } Satoshi did use a friend class in C++ and put a comment on the code saying: "This is why people hate C++".
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{ Imagine a sequence of bits generated from the first decimal place of the square roots of whole integers that are irrational numbers. If the decimal falls between 0 and 5, it's considered bit 0, and if it falls between 5 and 10, it's considered bit 1. This sequence from a simple integer count of contiguous irrationals and their logical decimal expansion of the first decimal place is called the 'main irrational stream.' Our goal is to design a physical and optical computing system system that can detect when this stream starts matching a specific pattern of a given size of bits. bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166760.0 } Satoshi did use a friend class in C++ and put a comment on the code saying: "This is why people hate C++".
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August 28, 2014, 09:01:49 AM |
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How could this be possible? Wouldn't the bitcoin debs have to develop contracts like the etherize project? I don't get how today we can combine votes using bitcoin... Please explain more
Promojo: search for voting systems based on bitcoin. Not necessaily with Ethereum. I think we should start with something humble and far from perfect. Two factor aurhentication with mobile number could help a bit with single vote, I think. Also, I keep thinking we should use facebook. Like it or not, it is the best Id/Login system for this purpose. Till we have sonething better with the help of Govs we should definitely use Facebook for this project, I think. I also accept the idea of using facebook since its a more widely accepted platform with a more secured identification system. |
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August 29, 2014, 05:47:58 AM |
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How does such a system stop the governments/organisations/wealthy (i.e. those who control the media) from influencing the masses, in-order to influence votes?
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August 29, 2014, 05:57:10 AM |
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August 29, 2014, 06:28:51 AM |
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How does such a system stop the governments/organisations/wealthy (i.e. those who control the media) from influencing the masses, in-order to influence votes?
I would prefer a system that has people vote solely on the issues as opposed to elected officials. That way the government's job would be to carry out the people's wishes, as opposed to relying on a candidate that could be bribed, or change his/her mind without consulting the voters. |
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August 29, 2014, 06:29:59 AM |
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How does such a system stop the governments/organisations/wealthy (i.e. those who control the media) from influencing the masses, in-order to influence votes?
I suppose this wouldn't solve the problem of money being used to influence voters, but the people would still have to opportunity to inform themselves of the issues at least. |
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August 29, 2014, 06:59:53 AM |
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Interesting. Thanks for sharing. |
{ Imagine a sequence of bits generated from the first decimal place of the square roots of whole integers that are irrational numbers. If the decimal falls between 0 and 5, it's considered bit 0, and if it falls between 5 and 10, it's considered bit 1. This sequence from a simple integer count of contiguous irrationals and their logical decimal expansion of the first decimal place is called the 'main irrational stream.' Our goal is to design a physical and optical computing system system that can detect when this stream starts matching a specific pattern of a given size of bits. bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166760.0 } Satoshi did use a friend class in C++ and put a comment on the code saying: "This is why people hate C++".
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August 29, 2014, 07:51:44 AM |
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A little bit of a contradiction here. How would you know what one identity, one person is, without an authority like a registration office? or better put, how would you prevent a person from voting twice or multiple times? (let's call this the double-voting problem) though it indeed is an interesting philosophical question what an identity is. if i'm a programmer at day and a rockstar at night, do i have two identities? |
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August 29, 2014, 08:22:21 AM |
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Anonymous and verifiable voting systems
A little bit of a contradiction here. How would you know what one identity, one person is, without an authority like a registration office? or better put, how would you prevent a person from voting twice or multiple times? (let's call this the double-voting problem) though it indeed is an interesting philosophical question what an identity is. if I'm a programmer at day and a rockstar at night, do i have two identities? I think that if you could vote anonymously and online, being able to verify and audit the votes, it would be quite perfect even if you still had to use a central authority for registration. Decentralized identity and reputation systems are quite difficult to achieve but people are working hard on that, for sure. Still I think we overestimate the importance of secrecy in voting. And we should be preparing good platforms for when the time comes that we have the perfect voting systems. |
{ Imagine a sequence of bits generated from the first decimal place of the square roots of whole integers that are irrational numbers. If the decimal falls between 0 and 5, it's considered bit 0, and if it falls between 5 and 10, it's considered bit 1. This sequence from a simple integer count of contiguous irrationals and their logical decimal expansion of the first decimal place is called the 'main irrational stream.' Our goal is to design a physical and optical computing system system that can detect when this stream starts matching a specific pattern of a given size of bits. bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166760.0 } Satoshi did use a friend class in C++ and put a comment on the code saying: "This is why people hate C++".
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August 29, 2014, 09:08:08 AM |
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How does such a system stop the governments/organisations/wealthy (i.e. those who control the media) from influencing the masses, in-order to influence votes?
I suppose this wouldn't solve the problem of money being used to influence voters, but the people would still have to opportunity to inform themselves of the issues at least. The point is that, people believe what they see on TV. TV influences what people think and feel. So if the people who control TV want votes to go in a certain direction, voting systems, even decentralized voting systems are useless, as the result will still go in the direction the government wants, which it can easily achieve via the media, i.e. influence people via the media, then those people will vote how the government wants them to vote. |
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August 29, 2014, 09:14:25 AM |
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How does such a system stop the governments/organisations/wealthy (i.e. those who control the media) from influencing the masses, in-order to influence votes?
I suppose this wouldn't solve the problem of money being used to influence voters, but the people would still have to opportunity to inform themselves of the issues at least. The only true democracy is if the majority of media is decentralized and controlled by no one. When such media exists, then a decentralized voting system would make sense. But as long as the media is controlled by powerful organisations to advertise what they want people to think, all this is a waste of time IMO. Modern day rulers are the people who control the media to influence the views of the masses. Modern day slaves are the people who watch the media and are influenced by the media. |
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August 29, 2014, 02:42:14 PM |
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I think there are some ways to make the decentralized voting system perfect, no double voting, reliable system etc.
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