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September 06, 2014, 11:20:21 AM
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Could a mining farm of this size be enough to create a 51% attack or is there really that much hashpower that this is nothing? Mind you I haven't really checked bitcoins current overall hashrate
Not enough power for them alone to create a 51% attack.  They would need to partner with other farms to do so.
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September 07, 2014, 03:20:13 AM
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Could a mining farm of this size be enough to create a 51% attack or is there really that much hashpower that this is nothing? Mind you I haven't really checked bitcoins current overall hashrate
Not enough power for them alone to create a 51% attack.  They would need to partner with other farms to do so.
The incentives for someone carrying out a 51% attack are simply not there. In order for someone to potentially have the hashpower to be able to carry out such an attack, they would need to invest in machines that can, for all intensive purposes, only mine bitcoin, these machines would be able to mine at least 1800 bitcoin per day (roughly $900,000 worth at current prices). If someone were to attempt to carry out such an attack, any bitcoin they have mined, but not sold would likely substantially decline in value, and the value of their equipment would also become essentially worthless, not the mention the lost potential revenue from continuing to mine in an honest fashion.
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September 07, 2014, 05:29:48 AM
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Could a mining farm of this size be enough to create a 51% attack or is there really that much hashpower that this is nothing? Mind you I haven't really checked bitcoins current overall hashrate
Not enough power for them alone to create a 51% attack.  They would need to partner with other farms to do so.
The incentives for someone carrying out a 51% attack are simply not there. In order for someone to potentially have the hashpower to be able to carry out such an attack, they would need to invest in machines that can, for all intensive purposes, only mine bitcoin, these machines would be able to mine at least 1800 bitcoin per day (roughly $900,000 worth at current prices). If someone were to attempt to carry out such an attack, any bitcoin they have mined, but not sold would likely substantially decline in value, and the value of their equipment would also become essentially worthless, not the mention the lost potential revenue from continuing to mine in an honest fashion.

that is the weakest argument i've ever heard to explain human behavior.

you re presupposing that the miner would be a single person, and you delete from your equation a number of other vectors.

plus as i stated in my "oracle investment advice" the Cap is irrelevant, its the forward progression of time in the equation, the use/collapse Paradox was only one paradox.

what about the Time/Value Paradox ?
goes kind of like this:

If the original monopoly wants to hold a "high value " they have to do that as time progresses forward, this "time" allows for the market to effect it as competitors have based the cost on the "value"; however the longer in "time" the monopoly holds the "value" the more chance the market has to act.

if the monopoly is broken, a stand off ensues, this is where underline "cost" becomes a very large factor.

i.e you could see this situations where Samsung forced Apple's hand.


Apple Sued Samsung for this or that retarded reason, Samsung paid up then increased the price of the Processors that Apple purchased from Samsung, and compensated themselves.

If one Manufactured ASIC chips, who has a better cost ratio?

so how do you know that the Chips you are sold aren't compensating directly for the cost of the mining?

in other words Welcome to the real free market, welcome to real economics.

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September 07, 2014, 07:04:02 AM
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Civilizations last about 200 years. The age of western dominance is coming to an end. It will be China's turn to dominate next. Can't be stopped. Welcome your new betters.
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September 07, 2014, 01:26:23 PM
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How in the world do they control the humidity? Of course I guess this equipment does not need to last long. A year maybe?
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September 07, 2014, 03:19:49 PM
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One government crackdown and all the massive ASIC capacity is going to gather dust.
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September 07, 2014, 06:11:29 PM
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China hardware can only strengthen the network and more people interested the more who will find ways to keep the ship floating.
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September 09, 2014, 02:06:48 PM
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http://www.thecoinsman.com/2014/08/bitcoin/inside-one-worlds-largest-bitcoin-mines/

Massive ASIC productive capacity.

In most cases free electricity.

A healthy sense of free market capitalism.

= mining monopoly lost.

Sadly there are nothing we can do to stop the Chinese from taking over the world.

Yeah, and theres a billion of them!
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September 10, 2014, 03:36:09 PM
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http://www.thecoinsman.com/2014/08/bitcoin/inside-one-worlds-largest-bitcoin-mines/

Massive ASIC productive capacity.

In most cases free electricity.

A healthy sense of free market capitalism.

= mining monopoly lost.

Sadly there are nothing we can do to stop the Chinese from taking over the world.

Yeah, and theres a billion of them!

You could nuke them. That might stop a few.

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September 10, 2014, 07:14:59 PM
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Weren't you out of the bitcoin game?  Roll Eyes

This ^^^ .  I'm confused also why your worried about the Chinese miner's when your so sure the price of Bitcoin is going nowhere but down?
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September 10, 2014, 09:09:10 PM
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How are you worried about the Chinese? they will help BTC a lot once it starts gaining mainstream tier adoption, USD and EUR will start shrinking, BTC and CNY will start growing and complimenting each other.

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September 14, 2014, 12:46:32 PM
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Gotta say, I liked this better when it was GPU mining. This environment where the Chinese manufacturers are controlling the network is a bit ridiculous and makes me lose faith in the system.
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September 14, 2014, 01:11:30 PM
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Gotta say, I liked this better when it was GPU mining. This environment where the Chinese manufacturers are controlling the network is a bit ridiculous and makes me lose faith in the system.

This is a bit off-topic, but there ARE ASIC-resistant cryptocurrencies (e.g. Bytecoin which uses X11). They probably won't be ASIC-free for long (someone estimated 2 years until there could be an X11 ASIC), but...shrug

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September 14, 2014, 02:13:30 PM
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BEHOLD! the burning of electricity to maintain a primitive consensus mechanism.
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September 14, 2014, 02:25:58 PM
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The chinese is your friend.
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September 14, 2014, 03:00:20 PM
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BEHOLD! the burning of electricity to maintain a primitive consensus mechanism.

Better than burning gunpowder or uranium to maintain a more primitive consensus mechanism.
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September 14, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
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What are the specs on that wire powering the facility? Someone here surely knows.
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September 14, 2014, 03:20:57 PM
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The chinese is your friend.

Yeah well, I can't see why some people can't ebrace this. They hold the biggest piece of the market. We beed to be friendly to them.

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September 14, 2014, 04:27:30 PM
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So rough gestimate, how much is this setup mining in a day in dollar terms?
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September 14, 2014, 05:34:33 PM
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Looks impressive, but I worked at an IBM facility for a while where there were multiple datacenters that were football field sized. What I saw in there was mind boggling and makes this look like child's play. Not that this is a competition, just putting that out there, that in comparison to the big boys (IBM, Google, etc) this isn't overly impressive. One has to wonder though what they will do if BTC price drops to $100 or less.
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