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August 29, 2014, 10:15:31 AM
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"Russians are insane" is just another of those West-coined derogatory stigmas that you simply repeat.

If you are interested in the subject of the Russian mindset and why Putin is popular, I can recommend the following blog:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/
Scroll back through a few posts, you'll find some very good analysis there.
Like, for example, this:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/08/05/who-is-really-vladimir-putin-this-may-surprise-you/
and this:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/08/15/is-putin-part-of-nwo/
and this:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/08/03/yukos-murder-incorporated-and-the-eu-schizophrenia/

As for the black myths and stigmas, as the "insane" one, read the transcript of this documentary, to see the historic roots:
http://stanislavs.org/black-myths-about-rus-from-ivan-the-formidable-until-our-time/

Yeltsin and to some degree Gorbachjov are seen as puppets of the US, much like Poroshenko is now in Ukraine. During Yeltsin's reign all high-ranking officials had advisors/minders from US, and no significant law got passed without a stamp of approval from Washington. Also, don't forget that Chechen war (on both sides) was also financed by a petty criminal turned oligarch Berezovskij, who, after Yeltsin's death fled to London.

Russia now is busy with restoring what was destroyed and stolen in the "wild 90-s", reinstating its national and economic security that was subjugated to "international laws" even in Russian constitution. Putin is the first leader of Russia in probably the last couple hundred years that really promotes Russia's interests, and that can't go unpunished by the competing forces.

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August 29, 2014, 10:50:55 AM
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One of the main things I've heard about Russians is that they're generally not favorable of black folks, among others.

Yeah same about everywhere and it doesn't help when black people do stuff that gets "white folks" riled up.

Russia is not safe for Blacks. Says someone from a country where the Ferguson riots are ongoing now.  Grin

Just pointing out the irony.

Seriously, why can't the Americans just mind their own business? Do they have to poke their head in every remote corner of the world? Now back to the topic. Someone please provide evidence that the majority of Americans aren't insane.
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August 29, 2014, 11:07:23 AM
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Someone please provide evidence that the majority of Americans aren't insane.
Start your own thread for that. America, except as its governments' policies have affected Russian mindset and Russian government policy, is off-topic and I won't allow it. (and I wouldn't argue we aren't, either)
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August 29, 2014, 12:24:40 PM
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Most coherent and cohesive explanation I've read of modern day Russia is here.

Can't be bothered to comment on wether Russians are insane or not - its ridiculous.

Do they have any newer material summarising the situation post-Olympics, post-Crimea? The 2013 optimism seems a bit late, and it wouldn't be the first time that I've heard unofficial refugees, immigrants, being many years out of step with whatever life they escaped from.

The blog compartmentalised the different classes into creative and non-creative, but didn't really cover whatever happened to the masses, post 1995-ish. Using the very limited anecdotes available to me, it seems they already went back to being miserable since at least 2005, or around the time when Putin started getting himself perpetually re-elected. Or was that the minority creative class, while the masses were being somehow transformed into fervent nationalists?

An update is required to explain the chasm between Pagan's angle (basically, Russian mafia cronies in panic mode after Ukraine got liberated from Yanukovich's thugs), versus Saker's later posts where they're suddenly using the same "evil Kiev Junta" rhetoric that we've been seeing so much of here.

Liberalised international trade and finance could explain a large part of Putin's popularity, they now have far more gas profits to buy the welfare vote compared to 10 years ago. And a new generation of voters. Putin certainly has some skill in maintaining his popularity. But whatever happened to a wait and see approach, "allowing" the new government in Ukraine (as if they require Russia's permission) to gradually build its legitimacy? Saker complained in 2013 about Western propaganda unfairly vilifying the new-style Russia, but that's nothing compared to the current anti-Ukraine shitstorm, which gives credibility to the side claiming that Russia Mafia are in panic mode.
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August 29, 2014, 01:01:29 PM
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What about the inability of the Western leaders to understand history,
geopolitics and their own ideological cocoon?

They seem to think history has ended, geography no longer matters
and are genuinely offended (to put it mildly) if someone says no thanks to their brand
of liberal democracy.

They prefer to see the world in terms of heroes and villains. They envisage
themselves as kindergarten teachers who are going to remove that mean
bully Putin and then freedom will be shoved down the throats of the other
children. Just like in Middle east..

Now, is this what you call sanity?
 

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What about the inability of the Western leaders to understand history,
geopolitics and their own ideological cocoon?

They seem to think history has ended, geography no longer matters
and are genuinely offended (to put it mildly) if someone says no thanks to their brand
of liberal democracy.

They prefer to see the world in terms of heroes and villains. They envisage
themselves as kindergarten teachers who are going to remove that mean
bully Putin and then freedom will be shoved down the throats of the other
children. Just like in Middle east..

Now, is this what you call sanity?
 

Doesn't every new generation start off idealistic, before their dreams and illusions are gradually eroded by their bitter parents and grandparents, or by their information cult?

There's a kind of nice, naive honesty about not caring about ancient historic grievances. You simply accept the status quo and play by the rules, such as: "trade, don't steal", or "love thy neighbour".

In theory, it should be possible to learn raw history to understand certain things. But that education often seems to be tainted with the dark side of human nature. For example, it seems that somebody has been taught they are owed some kind of debt due to ancient battles between ancient ancestors. Rather than just the facts, the Russians have been taught things like nepotism, greed, jealousy and resentment. What I find disgusting is that people often quote >500 year old grievances to justify bloodshed today. If that's not insanity, I don't know what is...

Here's a good one:
Perhaps Russians discover compound interest and decide that they are 'owed' all of the land on the planet due to a battle that was fought in 1100AD?!
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There's a kind of nice, naive honesty about not caring about ancient historic grievances. You simply accept the status quo and play by the rules, such as: "trade, don't steal", or "love thy neighbour".

In theory, it should be possible to learn raw history to understand certain things. But that education often seems to be tainted with the dark side of human nature. For example, it seems that somebody has been taught they are owed some kind of debt due to ancient battles between ancient ancestors. Rather than just the facts, the Russians have been taught things like nepotism, greed, jealousy and resentment. What I find disgusting is that people often quote >500 year old grievances to justify bloodshed today. If that's not insanity, I don't know what is...

Or maybe, they weren't really taught those things, just like nobody ever taught Westerners to be consumerist addicts. It's simply a mix of capitalist advertising, companies catering to primitive desires, constant manipulation, and competitive pressure to restrict basic commercial knowledge. Therefore, being a smart person rather than a dumb consumer, requires constant effort and learning to stay ahead.

Similarly, it's feasible that Russia has been conspiring for many years to make some strategic changes. So they simply make some minor adjustments to the way things are taught at school, or minor adjustments in various other areas. But don't blame the messenger. I'm giving the Russians in this forum the opportunity to blame someone else for the apparent huge rise in nationalism Cheesy
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August 29, 2014, 11:05:08 PM
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The majority of Russians are not insane, they are simply stupid and easily brainwashed.
Being so isn't specific to Russians, the majority of all nations are stupid, but some are really dumb,
and those that lived for a long time under dicktatorships (pun intended) are hopeless.

The few individuals that are smart enough to see beyond the official propaganda won't matter, because
they'll be afraid to speak their minds, and for good reason. The FSB agents like those posting in these
forums the hard-to-believe Russian propaganda would 'take care' of them.

The question should be 'Is Putin insane?' and of course he's not, but he has an agenda, to rebuild the
Soviet empire, and he won't care about thousands of deaths in this process. As long as the death toll
in the ranks of the Russian army stays reasonably low, he will continue the aggression into Ukraine.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have much sympathy for Ukraine, they are as bad (maybe worse?) as Russians when it
comes to minority rights, but in this case they are the victim, and Russia (Putin and his henchmen) is the villain.

Sometimes, if it looks too bullish, it's actually bearish
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August 29, 2014, 11:24:50 PM
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Random acts of kindness - Russian dashcams - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBllzlO5KGA

Here's some indirect proof they're fairly normal according to civilized standards.

There was enough random acts of kindness in Russia to make a compilation on Utube.



They are also a pancake loving people, although they eatem strangely, i must support it. I come from a pancake loving people.

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August 30, 2014, 04:42:17 PM
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Putin is like 4 feet tall and he is clearly insane. He has his picture taken bare chested Riding a pig or whatever it was. Trying to be "Manlike"  He is pissed off because he is shorter than Napolean and his pecker is only 2". He wants his war to show he is a "Big Man" but in reality he is small in all aspects of life.

Angry little Vodka fueled rage is what he has. Fact is Little man Putin is putting the world on the Brink of WW3 and his little Ego Might be put back into Check Mate since the Entire planet is condemning and watching his every "Tiny" movement.

The Good Russian people should overthrow this Vermin and replace him with a more Stable minded person. The world was a better place with Russia before him.

Hi got a black belt in Judo and is a Gran Master in Sambo, can't argue against that.
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August 30, 2014, 05:56:53 PM
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Kluge, let me reverse the question. As this whole "Russians are insane" stigma is a Western invention (I think it originated in the Hollywood propaganda film "The Hunt for Red October", but maybe earlier), and as those who make a hypothesis have the burden of proving it, let me ask:

Could someone from the West provide evidence that the majority of Russians are insane?

Putin is like 4 feet tall and he is clearly insane. He has his picture taken bare chested Riding a pig or whatever it was. Trying to be "Manlike"  He is pissed off because he is shorter than Napolean and his pecker is only 2". He wants his war to show he is a "Big Man" but in reality he is small in all aspects of life.

Angry little Vodka fueled rage is what he has. Fact is Little man Putin is putting the world on the Brink of WW3 and his little Ego Might be put back into Check Mate since the Entire planet is condemning and watching his every "Tiny" movement.

The Good Russian people should overthrow this Vermin and replace him with a more Stable minded person. The world was a better place with Russia before him.

Funny to see this remark full of rage about a man who has shown the most level-headedness and calm in this turbulent political atmosphere..  Roll Eyes
But it reinforces the pattern that whenever Russia has a strong leader that is good for Russia, that leader gets foul-mouthed from the West, and whenever Russia has a weak leader that leads the country into ruin, that leader gets praised in the West.

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August 30, 2014, 10:40:39 PM
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Russia is the homeland of Pussy Riot, which gives them some points in my book.

They are experiencing punk rock style anarcho-freedom, and the Russians imprisoned them,

but did not KILL them, which is a good sign of tolerance, for their system, at least.



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August 31, 2014, 12:31:10 AM
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Russia is the homeland of Pussy Riot, which gives them some points in my book.

They are experiencing punk rock style anarcho-freedom, and the Russians imprisoned them,
Have you added their public acts of animal sex into your book?

http://rutube.ru/video/cf2ef300b1874c7d3da8f5d8f6a50ae8/

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Russia is the homeland of Pussy Riot, which gives them some points in my book.

They are experiencing punk rock style anarcho-freedom, and the Russians imprisoned them,
Have you added their public acts of animal sex into your book?

http://rutube.ru/video/cf2ef300b1874c7d3da8f5d8f6a50ae8/



HMMM. The animal sex routine exposes a strange facet of the Russian psyche best left unexplored.......

They still don't beat GG Allin's feces eating routine. I will NOT post a link.

HEY, this thread is supposed to be evidence Russos aren't utterly batshit crazy

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Do not equate creativity and new ideas with insanity.

The difference between the two can be blurred at times.
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Even Putin likes Pussy Riot!


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August 31, 2014, 06:29:58 AM
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Kluge, let me reverse the question. As this whole "Russians are insane" stigma is a Western invention (I think it originated in the Hollywood propaganda film "The Hunt for Red October", but maybe earlier), and as those who make a hypothesis have the burden of proving it, let me ask:

Could someone from the West provide evidence that the majority of Russians are insane?


Putin is as close as you can get to a dictator without actually being called a dictator, and 80% of Russians support him? Even George W Bush never got anywhere near that amount of support, despite being an imperialist asshole.
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Putin is like 4 feet tall and he is clearly insane. He has his picture taken bare chested Riding a pig or whatever it was. Trying to be "Manlike"  He is pissed off because he is shorter than Napolean and his pecker is only 2". He wants his war to show he is a "Big Man" but in reality he is small in all aspects of life.

Angry little Vodka fueled rage is what he has. Fact is Little man Putin is putting the world on the Brink of WW3 and his little Ego Might be put back into Check Mate since the Entire planet is condemning and watching his every "Tiny" movement.

The Good Russian people should overthrow this Vermin and replace him with a more Stable minded person. The world was a better place with Russia before him.

Hi got a black belt in Judo and is a Gran Master in Sambo, can't argue against that.

I'll give Putin that much. He could probably go toe to toe with Obama and beat the living shit out of him.

It'd be so BAD, Ahmedinajad would pull Putin off of Obama saying,"Thats enough man, thats enough."

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Keeping in mind I'm well-aware more than half the Russians on here are probably Thieves, I'm seriously interested in trying to understand Russians' surprisingly widespread support of Putin/Medvedev while the Russian government continues restricting basic human rights.

I'll throw a bone in here simply put economy
Where the West wanted to make more puppet states and to expand its territory Russia came in to intervene and prevent that.
Battle of resources etc even the Ukraine is about Pipeline Politics for those that recall Crimea in the Ukraine  Wink
http://qz.com/191651/russias-invasion-of-crimea-has-caused-it-to-lose-the-latest-battle-in-the-pipeline-wars/
Current battle is over the South Stream
http://journal-neo.org/2014/06/27/ukraine-and-the-battle-for-south-stream/


Once Vladimir Putin became president, the Russian economy started to grow very rapidly.  Today, Russia is an economic powerhouse that is blessed with an abundance of natural resources.  Their debt to GDP ratio is extremely small, they actually run a trade surplus every year, and they have the second most powerful military on the entire planet.
http://www.cogwriter.com/news/prophecy/russia-is-stronger-vladimir-putin-is-credited-and-usa-is-upset/

But from this article 6 Key Points (All Cited too interestingly enough why I mentioned the Cog link ignore that Eurasian Union stuff Tongue)

#1 Russia produces more oil than anyone else on the planet.  The United States is in third place.

#2 Russia is the number two oil exporter in the world.  The United States is forced to import more oil than anyone else in the world.

#3 Russia produces more natural gas than anyone else on the planet.  The United States is in second place.

#4 Today, Russia supplies 34 percent of Europe’s natural gas needs.

#5 The United States has a debt to GDP ratio of 101 percent.  Russia has a debt to GDP ratio of about 8 percent.

#6 The United States had a trade deficit of more than half a trillion dollars last year.  Russia consistently runs a large trade surplus.

Are Russians anti-Russian or just blindly pro-KGB? -Or maybe Russians are just so pleased with the modest post-Yeltsin economic recovery, non-economic quality of life decline is able to be ignored.


    On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:

 ”In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live  in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law. Russia does not need  minorities.

 Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation.

The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.”
    http://henrymakow.com/2013/08/putin-on-minority-rightson-feb.html#sthash.nBnJEzw4.dpuf

It made a fair point on the USA

I was also taught that the old Soviet Union was overly focused on spying on its people and spying on others.  But now, it is the USA that seems to have that top distinction in the world in 2013 and 2014 ^^.

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In their own words, those attending the Atlantic Council gathering describe the battle for Ukraine being fought to “complete” their socioeconomic consolidation in Europe – this includes “integrating Russia.” Secretary John Kerry at the gathering would literally state:

    Our European Allies have spent more than 20 years with us working to integrate Russia into the Euro-Atlantic community.

By “integrating” Russia, of course, Kerry means overthrowing any independent national political order that exists in Moscow and replacing it with one that answers to Wall Street, London, and now Brussels. This can be seen clearly in attempts by the West to replicate its model of “color revolution” within Russian territory itself.

But Kerry and the rest of EU-NATO, recognizing that efforts to subvert and overthrow an independent political order in Russia have failed, have resorted to a policy of encirclement, containment, and confrontation, with Ukraine being only one of many battlefields the West is fighting upon. Kerry would declare Europe’s energy market as another.

He stated (emphasis added):

    “…if we want a Europe that is both whole and free, then we have to do more together immediately, with a sense of urgency, to ensure that European nations are not dependent on Russia for the majority of their energy.

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