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Tired of the same ol' dice and wheel games out there?  We were.  We set out to create something simple and fun.  Whoopity doo to the days of 1-2x payout.  With our Raffle Style system, winners are guaranteed very large payouts! 90x the entry fee!!  Losing isn't so bad either...We have very low fee entry games, starting at .0005 btc.  This means anyone can play, and win big!

Games and winning big are great, but they don't mean $hit if they are not fair.  We developed a provably fair system to determine winners and post how it works on the site.  You can predict the outcome of every game we run and make sure we are not cheating!  This also protects you from others trying to cheat the games.  Every game is fair, every game pays.  Read more how we are provably fair http://99losers.com/misc/fair

To start off we are limiting games to a maximum entry fee of .002 btc the winner is paid .18 btc.  Once we are confident the system is as good as we can make it, we will raise the limits a bit more for even more exciting wins!  We will also implement some new features and give aways as we progress.

We are considering a small investment opportunity for a few lucky people.  Details will be furnished later on this as we want to focus on game operations to bring the best experience to the players as possible.

We are open to questions & comments.  You can contact us here or with bitmessage BM-NBxDeCyhZDf8oPiZVH7CvZizThnyfzSg
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August 30, 2014, 10:18:46 PM
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August 30, 2014, 10:20:38 PM
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At a guaranteed 25% house edge I think I'll pass, but thanks for confirming the whole dinosaur thing. Smiley

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August 30, 2014, 10:50:57 PM
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The payouts could be a bit higher than 75x..Maybe at some point in the future i'll toss in some coins.

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August 30, 2014, 11:01:49 PM
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http://99losers.com - Brand new site.  Brand new game.</a>

Tired of the same ol' dice and wheel games out there?  We were.  We set out to create something simple and fun.  Whoopity doo to the days of 1-2x payout.  With our Raffle Style system, winners are guaranteed very large payouts! 75x the entry fee!!  Losing isn't so bad either...We have very low fee entry games, starting at .0005 btc.  This means anyone can play, and win big!

Games and winning big are great, but they don't mean $hit if they are not fair.  We developed a provably fair system to determine winners and post how it works on the site.  You can predict the outcome of every game we run and make sure we are not cheating!  This also protects you from others trying to cheat the games.  Every game is fair, every game pays.  Read more how we are provably fair http://99losers.com/misc/fair

To start off we are limiting games to a maximum entry fee of .002 btc the winner is paid .15 btc.  Once we are confident the system is as good as we can make it, we will raise the limits a bit more for even more exciting wins!  We will also implement some new features and give aways as we progress.

We are considering a small investment opportunity for a few lucky people.  Details will be furnished later on this as we want to focus on game operations to bring the best experience to the players as possible.

We are open to questions & comments.  You can contact us here or with bitmessage BM-NBxDeCyhZDf8oPiZVH7CvZizThnyfzSg


can u explain to me.. this lotto or something... im really confused Smiley

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August 30, 2014, 11:29:18 PM
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At a guaranteed 25% house edge I think I'll pass, but thanks for confirming the whole dinosaur thing. Smiley

The payouts could be a bit higher than 75x..Maybe at some point in the future i'll toss in some coins.

I am a fair person.  Let's do 90x payouts! Site updated!
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August 30, 2014, 11:36:23 PM
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can u explain to me.. this lotto or something... im really confused Smiley

You got it.  It is a lottery/raffle type game.  100 people enter per game, 1 person wins, 99 lose.
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August 31, 2014, 05:16:31 AM
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can u explain to me.. this lotto or something... im really confused Smiley

You got it.  It is a lottery/raffle type game.  100 people enter per game, 1 person wins, 99 lose.

So 100 people enter a game with same amount let's say 0.001 each so 100 x 0.001 = 0.1 and winner gets all??

 

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August 31, 2014, 05:34:12 AM
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90x payout? there is an amazing thing i ever see Tongue
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August 31, 2014, 12:20:31 PM
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90x payout? there is an amazing thing i ever see Tongue

we feel the same way <3

So 100 people enter a game with same amount let's say 0.001 each so 100 x 0.001 = 0.1 and winner gets all??

Close! You get a B- in class today Smiley
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August 31, 2014, 01:47:58 PM
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Your provably fair algo is flawed as it doesn't protect the users from being cheated by the last player.

I can create a program to monitor the game address until it has 99 players and then start generating addresses until I find one that will make me the winner.

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Your provably fair algo is flawed as it doesn't protect the users from being cheated by the last player.

I can create a program to monitor the game address until it has 99 players and then start generating addresses until I find one that will make me the winner.

You are partly right, after some thought.  You are wrong in the fact you cannot generate an address to send from.  Your client, or you, have to spend previous outputs, these cannot be generated by you unless you continually send yourself coins in attempt to generate an output that could win.  This output would have to contain enough coin for the game or it might not be selected as the payment address if multiple previous outputs are used.

So technically yes, this could be achieved through lots of work and many (possibly 100's) of txn fees to the network.

I have come up with a method to account for this and will post an update when the code is in place.

Thanks for taking the time to look at this!
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Your provably fair algo is flawed as it doesn't protect the users from being cheated by the last player.

I can create a program to monitor the game address until it has 99 players and then start generating addresses until I find one that will make me the winner.

You are partly right, after some thought.  You are wrong in the fact you cannot generate an address to send from.  Your client, or you, have to spend previous outputs, these cannot be generated by you unless you continually send yourself coins in attempt to generate an output that could win.  This output would have to contain enough coin for the game or it might not be selected as the payment address if multiple previous outputs are used.

So technically yes, this could be achieved through lots of work and many (possibly 100's) of txn fees to the network.

I have come up with a method to account for this and will post an update when the code is in place.

Thanks for taking the time to look at this!

Ok, I'm starting to think you really should spend some time to learn more about Bitcoin.

An address can be generated without the need to send coins to it.

What I will need to do is find the address that will make me the winner and create 2 raw transactions, one sending my coins to the newly generated address and another to send from the newly generated address to you game address.

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Ok, I'm starting to think you really should spend some time to learn more about Bitcoin.

An address can be generated without the need to send coins to it.

What I will need to do is find the address that will make me the winner and create 2 raw transactions, one sending my coins to the newly generated address and another to send from the newly generated address to you game address.

Maybe Smiley  But I have addressed the issue with your concern and posted a fix.  Timestamp is now used to pad the initial hash so you would have to know the exact second the site scripts picked up the final transaction and corresponding address for that second.

I thank you kindly for your help!
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August 31, 2014, 02:59:13 PM
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will wait for the spot that close enough reaching 100
then i will try depo some BTC

The worst part of the game is my chance to win this game is 0.01 %  Cry

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Maybe Smiley  But I have addressed the issue with your concern and posted a fix.  Timestamp is now used to pad the initial hash so you would have to know the exact second the site scripts picked up the final transaction and corresponding address for that second.

I thank you kindly for your help!

But now your algo is not provably fair as no one can verify the timestamp informed by you.

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25% house edge? Thats insane, set it to at least under 5%, but good website idea.

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25% house edge? Thats insane, set it to at least under 5%, but good website idea.

10% now.  We changed after initial feedback.  We plan to invest a portion of that as well into giveaways and promotions to further boost the eco-system

Thanks!
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Maybe Smiley  But I have addressed the issue with your concern and posted a fix.  Timestamp is now used to pad the initial hash so you would have to know the exact second the site scripts picked up the final transaction and corresponding address for that second.

I thank you kindly for your help!

But now your algo is not provably fair as no one can verify the timestamp informed by you.

Fair enough.  How about we take the transaction id of the final payment and use that to pad the initial hash instead?  This could not be known by anyone until it was too late, negating the ability of the last person to generate a winning address.

Does the dude abide?
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90x payout? there is an amazing thing i ever see Tongue

we feel the same way <3

So 100 people enter a game with same amount let's say 0.001 each so 100 x 0.001 = 0.1 and winner gets all??

Close! You get a B- in class today Smiley


B in this forum means Bitcoin, and you just said I got a B now you owe me a Bitcoin.  You can pay in installments if you like.

My BTCtc address is in my profile. Thx

 

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