Scottish Independence May Be Coming Soon

[bryant.coleman]

Some families in the continental ukraine are considering their relatives in the crimea as traitors. They've also removed them from social network accounts, email contacts, phone books etc. I thought that only ukrainians are capable to think this way, but it seems that idiots are the same everywhere

http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/13/dad-cuts-all-ties-with-daughter-and-deletes-her-from-facebook-because-she-is-voting-for-scottish-independence-4867494/

Unfortunately, the generation gap is quite evident in this referendum. The elderly people are like 30% for YES vs 70% for NO, while the youngest age group is something like 65% for YES vs 35% for NO. It was a master stroke from the SNP to grant voting rights to those children in the 16-17 year age group. If they were excluded from the polls, then NO would have held a comfortable lead even now.

[Balthazar]

http://rt.com/uk/188196-scotland-independence-social-media/

​Social Media and #Indyref: What impact will Social Media have on Scotland vote?

[Chef Ramsay]

On a matter as time sensitive as this, the old folks should not vote at all. Let the younger generations have their say in what kind of world they will live in for the rest of their lives. The older generation is directly responsible for what ails much of society today. Yes, I'm playing generation politics here which is unfair and discriminatory but I don't care.

[bryant.coleman]

On a matter as time sensitive as this, the old folks should not vote at all. Let the younger generations have their say in what kind of world they will live in for the rest of their lives. The older generation is directly responsible for what ails much of society today. Yes, I'm playing generation politics here which is unfair and discriminatory but I don't care.

Although I agree with you, in normal cases the voter turnout among the elderly is much higher than that among the younger voters. The elderly do eke out time to go to a polling booth and cast their vote, while most of the youngsters will be busy updating their Facebook status and playing Xbox. Although the enthusiasm is quite high among the Scottish youngsters right now, I don't think their turnout will match that of the oldies.

[Balthazar]

It would be better to add one or two simple logical and arithmetic tasks into the ballot. It would allow us to examine the dependences between (%, turnout) and iq .

[hdbuck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7qXYaepKPA#t=32

[BetMoose]

Anyone want to place some bets on this? The No side has better odds right now than betfair.

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Scotland to vote for independenceOptions: Yes | No

Seems like people that are actually willing to put coin down are expecting 'No'.

[wasserman99]

On a matter as time sensitive as this, the old folks should not vote at all. Let the younger generations have their say in what kind of world they will live in for the rest of their lives. The older generation is directly responsible for what ails much of society today. Yes, I'm playing generation politics here which is unfair and discriminatory but I don't care.

I would agree that this is the most fair, however the opposite will likely happen. At least in the US, the younger generation generally votes in lower numbers and the older generation will generally be the most active voters.

[Balthazar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7qXYaepKPA

[murraypaul]

Anyone want to place some bets on this? The No side has better odds right now than betfair.

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Scotland to vote for independenceOptions: Yes | No

Seems like people that are actually willing to put coin down are expecting 'No'.

I'd expect the No vote to be somewhat higher than the No opinion polls, as I think the No demographic is more likely to actually vote.
It is be close either way though, which could be problematic in itself.
If the result is within a % or two either way, the losing side will claim that the winning side has no real mandate.

[bryant.coleman]

I'd expect the No vote to be somewhat higher than the No opinion polls, as I think the No demographic is more likely to actually vote.

If that is the case, then the margin can get to two figures. The latest opinion polls from Survation places NO at 52% and YES at 48%. But given the fact that the elderly people are more likely to vote, IMO the final margin will be something like 55% vs 45%. Also, the NO camp is mobilizing the immigrants and ethnic minorities all around Scotland.

[murraypaul]

Also, the NO camp is mobilizing the immigrants and ethnic minorities all around Scotland.

You do like to get the racist angle in whenever you can, don't you?
I could just as well say that the YES camp are mobilizing the zenophobes and racists all around Scotland.
And neither statement would give a true picture of what is happening.

[hdbuck]

For the last 50 years, 88% of the countries that voted for their independence voted YES.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-16/scottish-referendum-preview-170-years-voters-chose-independence-88-time

[Arctic]

For the last 50 years, 88% of the countries that voted for their independence voted YES.

and what's your point?

[wachtwoord]

For the last 50 years, 88% of the countries that voted for their independence voted YES.

and what's your point?

It's a very interesting list I didn't know existed.

[Balthazar]

Crimea (1991,2014) and Abkhazia (1991,1999) should be added too.

A referendum on sovereignty was held in the Crimean Oblast of the Ukrainian SSR on 20 January 1991.[1] Voters were asked whether they wanted to re-establish the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, which had been abolished in 1945.

Choice   Votes   %
For   1,343,825   94.30
Against   81,254   5.70
Invalid/blank votes   15,910   –
Total   1,441,019   100
Registered voters/turnout   1,770,841   81.37

Final results from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea

Choice   Votes   Percentage of registered voters   Percentage of all ballots cast   Percentage of valid votes
Join the Russian Federation   1,233,002   80.42%   96.77%   97.47%
Restore the 1992 constitution and remain as a part of Ukraine   31,997   2.09%   2.51%   2.53%
Subtotal of valid votes   1,264,999   82.51%   99.29%   100.00%
Invalid or blank votes   9,097   0.59%   0.72%   —
Total votes cast   1,274,096   83.1%   100.00%   —
Registered voters that did not participate   ≈ 259,112   16.9%   —   —
Total registered voters   [f] ≈ 1,533,208   100.00%   —   —

Summary of the 17 March 1991 Abkhazian new union treaty referendum results
Answer   Votes   %
Yes   164,231   98.61
No   1,566   0.94
Invalid   747   0.45
Total amount of votes cast   166,544   100.00
Turnout   166,544   52.32
Number of voters who collected their ballot papers but did not participate in voting   332   0.10
Abstention   151,441   47.58
Total number of registered voters   318,317   100.00

Summary of the 3 October 1999 Abkhazian constitutional referendum results
Result   Votes   %
Agree with the proposal      97.7
Reject the proposal      2.3
Total      100.00
Invalid votes      
Total votes cast (turnout: 87.6%)   
Registered voters   219,534

[hdbuck]

[BADecker]

On a matter as time sensitive as this, the old folks should not vote at all. Let the younger generations have their say in what kind of world they will live in for the rest of their lives. The older generation is directly responsible for what ails much of society today. Yes, I'm playing generation politics here which is unfair and discriminatory but I don't care.

Let's get rid of voting altogether. Go for common law which says freedom for everyone in every way as long as the freedom doesn't:
1. Harm anybody;
2. Damage anyone's property;
3. Break a contract.

[Lethn]

Anyone want to place some bets on this? The No side has better odds right now than betfair.

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Scotland to vote for independenceOptions: Yes | No

Seems like people that are actually willing to put coin down are expecting 'No'.

LOL! That's really funny, the username who made it is donaldtrump

[countryfree]

On a matter as time sensitive as this, the old folks should not vote at all. Let the younger generations have their say in what kind of world they will live in for the rest of their lives. The older generation is directly responsible for what ails much of society today. Yes, I'm playing generation politics here which is unfair and discriminatory but I don't care.

Do you realize what you say?

No one should be denied of any rights because of age. The older people have experience. It isn't only about pensions, it's about taking risks, and it's quite normal that the young are bigger risk-takers. The same goes for driving.