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February 10, 2015, 03:17:00 PM
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look bitcoin maybe has 1 million users, maybe little more. the user group is mostly grounded on speculators, libertarians, as well as tech savvy guys.

With you so far, though not sure how to take your failing to mention/sidestepping the obvious unique use scenarios responsible for BTC's initial adoption, e.g. dope, child pr0nz & marketing scams (see:  Securities section of this forum).

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the next group integrated will probably be from the financial industry or the rich, this alone would boost bitcoin.

This is where you lose me.
Bitcoin's main appeal was its obscurity/irrelevancy/insignificance.  It was a crime against which no laws have been written yet, what's euphemistically referred to as "legal gray area."

Stressing, of course, the word "yet." 'Coz recently Bitcoin did get big enough for authorities to bother with (~2 years ago).  This resulted in ...what's the word for scammers/criminals I'm looking for?  Oh yeah... Bitcoin entrepreneurs[/s] getting owned, and subsequent BTC price tanking.

TL;DR:  This thing's pretty much done.  Why would teh rich want your bag?
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February 10, 2015, 05:10:03 PM
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Stop it with these topics.


When price was 100X less what it is now, when it was still in its early/novelty phase, when a lot of people around the world who could have been interested in getting involved in bitcoin never even heard of it (they heard of it in november-december 2013, to then become what are now the r/bitcoin bagdholers, that offered a dumping ground for early adopters to cash out), when just a little injection of fiat coming in the space was able to pump it orders of magnitude higher, bitcoin recovered!
Whoop-de-fucking-do!


When are you going to understand that pumping from $2 to the old ATH of $32 in 2011 is no the same as pumping now at $220 to the old current of $1200?
That it takes amounts of new money coming in that are exponentially higher and the landscape that allows for pumps to happen is totally different?

When a bubble/pump&dump reaches an unsustainable level considering existent demand and possible future demand it stops going up, and it crashes back down to never reach that high point ever again. That's how bubbles work.
Clearly that point for bitcoin was not $2. Was it $1200? Who knows, but very possible Smiley


Bitcoiners: thinking than bubbles/P&Ds go up forever since 2010.






it's not 2011 anymore
^^^^^^^^^^
This.


People, just stop saying "it happened in 2011, history will just repeat itself and the bitcoin bubbles will go on forever to 102981 trillions".
It makes you look like a jackass.

Who knows, it might (I doubt it), what I am saying is that y'all should stop taking it for granted or as a very likely scenario just because it happened in 2011  Smiley



the only troll really arguing so it is worth an answer.

I think the same argument, that it takes significantly more money to go higher was used in every phase of bitcoin and it was and is true. but it does not really matter.

look bitcoin maybe has 1 million users, maybe little more. the user group is mostly grounded on speculators, libertarians, as well as tech savvy guys.

the next group integrated will probably be from the financial industry or the rich, this alone would boost bitcoin. I think that it is possible that bitcoin fails to integrate new groups, but from an economist perspective it does not make much sense, since there are exclusive use cases in bitcoin.

take a step back and compare the market cap to other financial or precial metals caps and do your conclusions.

bitcoin may fail or is already saturated, but to say it will fail because it is impossible to boost the price since it is already high is complete nonsense.
I didn't say bitcoin's marketcap is high in absolute terms. Such a thing doesn't make sense. It is high for what it is.
Sure, gold's marketcap is around $8 trillions, bitcoin's marketcap is peanuts compared to that.
The real questions are: "should we make a comparison between the two marketcaps in the first place?"
"Why would rich entities from the financial industry put money into this?"

What use cases are you talking about? Do they justify a high marketcap (think about that twice)?

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bitcoin may fail or is already saturated, but to say it will fail because it is impossible to boost the price since it is already high is complete nonsense.
It's unlikely to boost the price considering its fundamentals and what it is in general.

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February 10, 2015, 05:35:44 PM
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Two comments from a 2011 thread on the deflating of the bitcoin $32 bubble that sum up the bear v bull argument.


Bear: "To answer the question in the thread title...we're going all the way down.  There simply is no reason for bitcoins to be worth more than a $1, no reason at all. Nagle has been right.  When a bubble pops, it pops all the way, and in the case of bitcoin, there's no reason for a legitimate recovery on the horizon."

Bull: "If you can only think on short time scales, you are going to eventually get screwed in the long term. At least with bitcoin, the fluctuations are due solely to participants in the market, rather than the institutions who actually control the monetary systems across the world. Over time, stability will come. Stop asking from bitcoin what it can't give you right now. The client is still in 0.4 beta. If you want true stability, invest your money in actual bitcoin businesses rather than on casino games like bitcoinica."


Not much has changed. But while past performance is no guarantee of future success, it'd be remiss not to entertain the thought of bitcoin eventually going on another run. Hundreds of millions of dollars have been invested into the future ecosystem. It may be an oft mentioned meme but when the fruits of this injection come to bear we should be seeing another bull run.

Yup. And we are going to be stuck for a long while at a down price just like what happened before the first 1k rally.
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February 10, 2015, 07:44:45 PM
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the only troll really arguing so it is worth an answer.
No. It is never worth feeding trolls. Shut the fuck up. They can only exist where people take their bait. We have the trolls we deserve, and it is your fault.

This is true.  Just hit the ignore button.  It's really easy.
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February 11, 2015, 04:32:15 AM
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Stop it with these topics.


When price was 100X less what it is now, when it was still in its early/novelty phase, when a lot of people around the world who could have been interested in getting involved in bitcoin never even heard of it (they heard of it in november-december 2013, to then become what are now the r/bitcoin bagdholers, that offered a dumping ground for early adopters to cash out), when just a little injection of fiat coming in the space was able to pump it orders of magnitude higher, bitcoin recovered!
Whoop-de-fucking-do!


When are you going to understand that pumping from $2 to the old ATH of $32 in 2011 is no the same as pumping now at $220 to the old current of $1200?
That it takes amounts of new money coming in that are exponentially higher and the landscape that allows for pumps to happen is totally different?

When a bubble/pump&dump reaches an unsustainable level considering existent demand and possible future demand it stops going up, and it crashes back down to never reach that high point ever again. That's how bubbles work.
Clearly that point for bitcoin was not $2. Was it $1200? Who knows, but very possible Smiley


Bitcoiners: thinking than bubbles/P&Ds go up forever since 2010.


it's not 2011 anymore
^^^^^^^^^^
This.


People, just stop saying "it happened in 2011, history will just repeat itself and the bitcoin bubbles will go on forever to 102981 trillions".
It makes you look like a jackass.

Who knows, it might (I doubt it), what I am saying is that y'all should stop taking it for granted or as a very likely scenario just because it happened in 2011  Smiley



Would have been appropriate to read the OP or at least focus on comprehension. The main point was the fundamental mindset of bear v bull hasn't changed irrespective of price or anything else.

My opinion was tacked on ie, that the $ invested in the ecosystem should be a positive in the future.

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If you ask me, the "infrastructure" bulls keep mentioning doesn't sound like a guarantee at all

Your comprehension is poor. Never mentioned this as / is a guarantee, rather, I wrote that because something happened in 2011 or 2013 does not mean (guarantee) it will happen again.

You're also questioning comparisons to market caps and whether they are worthwhile; if a digital token / payment system, often compared to digital gold, is adopted by a larger part of the world than it is today, then it is reasonable (or at least just interesting) to map out possible future market caps. Humans are greedy and love to calculate future imagined gains (this also leads people to hold over sell)

Further do any use cases justify a higher market cap? This comes with the assumption that some of the millions in VC money fleshes out answers / alternatives to some issues. Remittance is a 50bn global industry, for one. Smart contracts another. Saving 5% on retail is good enough if you ask me. Content subscription, micropayments etc. All these have issues right now but the friction may be solved soon. Then they will be coupled to the current range of uses mentioned above.
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