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[updownbot.bz]

I could beat my self that I bet on this site dispite the full anonymity of the sites owner. The only contact is a bitmessage address, wich is inactive. I've lost a fair amount of money to this possible scam. The following transactions clearly won given the trade logs of the individual exchanges at the time:

445b4932e1ee35217f4bb2928e0c58663388296b59f04b33ea2178f3278d1c86
1192a5e5c5bbc306c28022b749032d35f52f3c52c121bced717e99637a2d3544
3a29baa932252b897321ae168830e78e59970e611326c2b69efad602b932e870

Trade logs show that the exchange rate was not even close to the outcome value. And it is quite remarkable that the "result" in all cases is very very close to the start value. I would love to see wich individual trades where responsible for the outcome. Or otherwise a refund. Cny/usd exchange rate is 6.144 right now.

Dear sir

From the coin movements it looks like you won an unbelivable 144 times in a row before you lost this 3 bets. You did not complain about results back then, so now after loosing 3 bets you complain about results and ask for a refund? Thats just plain funny . Please also note that we paid out each and every time on those winning bets and we did not complain.

Refer to UpDownBot fair play policy and rules for more.
Please do not bet at our site again!

Also we do know your real identity on this board so no need to use aliases next time you post.

Here is a list of the bets you won and coresponding payout id's:

a99562407290092692990e2f156749c6c9f241276ae7bb3505b86b988d59d9c8   8c83fdb153584b10c050aaa00c469f558ac62bcacc69f29d6d60a29ad300b49f   WIN      
ea202e84580b5adeb8bb45e1680b0662b99e8d993d3908eea7cdd2a2271c7659   cb0d572af6eacfdfc73a7e47f0101512ff0651edeece7ee68e8a692c0d91450b   WIN      
e0534a3d4e2da2d803db318956552a036648e218fef26cc5ab7c4fb5a3455859   3e0f749e3c9aad507fbb17d89cbf66a7371bc7871547d901048ccbda16c64e2a   WIN      
6cd5d3f8eb16734c0885e890c238f7fcd5683bcab093a6c573a8d5d394335db3   f5b510f68700de01c52589b25f7188288cf1aee0e833cbac8353b357d7804342   WIN      
8815d59dfc14fd86556a4e21a62aa53c89865c8169f3579eccf51d65faa6bad2   868e27756e224dabc8d588f0e68a1e794c9d021180836c68d60fcf5568b853ad   WIN      
f596efd487617ae4ee449ef81b0bdf0f7c697abdf87af71e82c1de1896c91f74   a55516262f8b3ae95da63e9334d7973b9fea78330ce7216cbd7b424c653f69aa   WIN      
dce71dbb3879273738b14491076b5ccc525f79ddc1c3ffbe374e31f3f2b12ea6   b608d0c208d93c026978ba98ea1298a5a024a71f9e081ce30266001594fd822d   WIN      
69a142560cf48879e7ebceb28617bee0377c6336c9f05632cd06933a86ce67f0   e1b25480e2ef66dba6f55828c04b304c03000ce949773972ab0b388a6566fbaa   WIN      
089903d362241b4690cefdd445e940c2cc1c4eceda77ea46f65370a031bc9af7   7cb2866c4f57e6862e948266c2a71e8842dc6804cf391e7adcefb98088619936   WIN      
fd4c8b22e92d7fa63b7685bc78008b4f99e301321a8b63f429a6eb916063bcd6   87fe9c4e5baaab1f852d6e7c38c2b003dd1e1e4535992dafdf9e7800a962576e   WIN      
297ed8d620c5e535842b2ec9f6ce88ca507086a7d4e22a9c14209601e6e3b679   67d8f5ffb6b2252fbed1d2f6d9367a38906504d8835dc68f7004c5ff0a9c610c   WIN      
e00581af04709455789cd90d9ff4d722ded81dd3f523971abe16a722ba00e0d1   039caf19dc543f3334e33ce78335b19e43f14351ba656982d92b8f0d40019463   WIN      
c6494b68168b8ba1168d6208a360a861b13cfba6b3ae8f3594f71d1f448b9d71   b96699580f5ab2277e9aaeff0e001c0b332c14450fe096ef46557c62ffc63b6d   WIN      
b211c5253cd7d86d9fb95761cc9d2d1b4c850ae06dd174939e769ca5c0aaa7b0   835acc86c7177e760c56d931167adba8dbed458c8d5c0f0c29c9dd3e9727ebd9   WIN      
2286bc7f402f81dcbcbece22ad6ab35a5ef7c5906c3c0e04ec1d6f9a1985907c   1f8d4ade33d99674a135410d47f356a039d7e228672be255e19d0f45a148bd9e   WIN      
4535aa74a7d4a7d9d846d30d25d1fc10b7796450da5c8ef1a175224a81d0cde5   da4225642c0417e5e4fadd39c608a1cb83c7a50c6919a5eca2b9747fd9be8eda   WIN      
c82aeb52f3ded16286ac404b4d09b05733e98e504b4819baf53c323a49c1cdef   1ab971f4c84edd0ca4a66f324631b146774311a3f6c0fe6ceebaa2da4be0bf69   WIN      
420c54f1cd4ff1203175523ca1692db9bb57e572bdc78207ae6fe1371938dd78   86a8e44770446b30428e47f5f43cfaca41e2b0e2abb7b685cdeadc9e6612d0bb   WIN      
de82e0afb39665c60e55a7228265e510ac21a3a6aed181386c0fd890f9562165   c2d0ca81fb5723cb0bdcff9e1b4eefa5b6b51bf445253df28a50cc7be55306a0   WIN      
56cd0c36009f08087b71d22d4d71b3692efa77a7d708bb725bc52a0cce1df2f2   d27a9f775a25f50ed5a2264aa521f97347682bacbb7ef23083be7e94d2ae3e80   WIN      
7c50df5ef5aff49213972944b7100ef803b217b8c40ce5001feb2cf07ad5e56e   05360ca9f6f6fe248a539dedea6b4dfab25be309375380afa089dfd2f0f3fd1f   WIN      
38d1e98882c5122dea0372fa7acc697526512b5547afb01c5bd349e3f0fc1d0a   388d3eff4ea2ea0381cc303212914fbcb3f95b2b6adec744422b1410f4ef2789   WIN      
85bcb40ad37a7ec925701f84dc5df714df0e98a32345a1b9c87a2ef6f2cb8d88   9ca87ccf551723e490813ffd68b5c6c60531cbcbdc1cb63d0d39ebf829666d86   WIN      
41cc5659c4bc80c1ad85e7a0aa93474e4276261c5eb025a5486b55e329f58c8a   b17aabbd6168002169414e906991cd9a1ca328340c319a7c89673353bf37c0af   WIN      
c38106fc11cfec085b3b6203aa2726f883cbd927a395fe7552f706a079aa27b5   ff857f99d4b3648d9ed28d33f7f547207fce00c90de27c45177ccb9c1eba3914   WIN      
9238ce1d8a83f2b61ba4b44af8a2ddeeda933fdbfbe2f6624640fae590ff87ee   ce74dbb1e737c2ac6e0a9cf474b720f18e016ae418f286e10fbad4a232301b82   WIN      
47528898545a100f374291b1df8c763de68ff77a5d58d47139e823019c143355   a8b6a177182c7a08f7bc70d9276101c433f03fe070375b168dd18a8ca90f7440   WIN      
61ff378a0823756e5e6bb9b8e9464d6117b84a90f55ecf103c4250c73c33b816   411625a1d2e3aa806689ac0fcd7a43daf0cceced3842a47b6dc9dffeed180b18   WIN      
7b8db2c5800cccd90d11b685986c1cea7ee9ad7edbd4d85dd89d476718b20ae9   c7d80c7d9c310220185197f2fa570c62c1f5a9d1fba3b45638173479dc4605ed   WIN      
4313528120a2f28eccdf84dee78ad5fec6a12ce16a1e351ff6feb1a320555ec0   f931cf779087640590451991b76648461bf5bb921711437cf563fcc309a184e2   WIN      
52d5c02359815390c5c81a9b96e27939730a4061e6301b4dc625768b3a37556c   b64b1cc436646943d1067833995209e263ffc66bb60e0e815f0f6e8b019df446   WIN      
fe29d8a911c856e68e2ab88575dea539ec8d286fc1f31e52fc0710300d1596f8   05de5cb4bb6271478ae703169c1204e46533c80d05f7c092cf746efe987cadce   WIN      
3bdd104574a353974a56f2d61ae0c2e75b6f237b809588eb2913f12ca4d53891   7502dbd224bbc79091444588640a7cbaf455b0f177243f5610d8f3bb60882812   WIN      
a65f0ddeb255d103dc5369c0e0d99bf0189a35ea1e93d290e675e8f0318bfc3f   9d5201fd6873e3a81920ef1bc824a2a55a6117ec91dfe22f3046689b75ccbc96   WIN      
027e4c24176d8d3e4a1952d640f0e3cfce8bfe03e672353d335c998b62626e3e   59485ced2dba7aab8fbc5bd8ad34a5dd0901e752f416dbfb437859e1e53a1160   WIN      
af057600edf51dc7000925e60b7a6980f9cf3d76989fef9bf8d65463298f4429   b5de9b131eb04c1552fec49c5e3bbfd29e537d9f1b6b4112ac6d073c4d0556bd   WIN      
43a6c0c8986e26d308196e308304ccbdb0359e28ff65dceabc4fa7730e52319a   5fa911f7a2449bb7ffbd2ea8e1ff19c6e0d2b67b0107e16765b297b138ff4baa   WIN      
84fb9ff0acd501a8df4a89c015349d80440efcd1fec026c739d7c4d8e66ec320   607e1c8edf8d83e13cd722ad51536a643766f6430ed27b55d8e77243f1149705   WIN      
f42f35b9dedcb20c81b67c2cd2f6a669e07ca1c2c6fc4ec9be76235d8a9f11d4   f8e411771798a1c64ce07056df9fd217558e7dc899fa6ebd74f8b6130be9baf8   WIN      
3d11ebfc0f0ff2cd38c724f121e76eeaa3d86425157fb369ce8431ea8025bba7   5beacfbf95310ec8771c2579da37bbe8a0d85b40d820670a642784e5b096ba48   WIN      
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24e4956598205971e38c7f9328553668256eb3de78fb9e6892b72e00f889a60a   9b69c2350af0c109d67a41c2d7b8ce1270a7d3e47312b6f1e60aec4488a5b00d   WIN      
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7df7c85a260d89416d3546398d193b72631f9cb1009830d1864911510a2e6cd5   18d36dc027c81991348bda84ed41a3522d12d538b58a6eff0b67052674096ed4   WIN      
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765742429d5b233a72821f98ff02b58b7f190990d9c918f161b328333cc8fe3c   5838a6c297b11d09565edcde9c5de065723c6d8348186fad2bf3a0ce31987316   WIN      
daaab7c032504fa4b7ec36334f9b6f6713fa9ed9633d784d0a615c95f25403ad   a2cddc3f773787c454d945c6cc69a650abfe23178e16f9b3dd0deb64f96ea48f   WIN      
6fdb63e2539c0262c12dfb975f9db30fc7477d37dce74207dc9dccf7ecffd222   62f19fa19677d40a477613dcb204f0d010f8a220662ed72c1a7a72ad486bb106   WIN      
d31e46093c34e5072d4fd71ee1245ace212b9d9a20fc4eeff9fd6d051670cb37   5bd9ceed46ea6c6f3338793fb3f6086b3bb07010674de0fb929165ba63824d7a   WIN      
eca576df57b678b3dc4c0c750e775be64e96a8f925cf43a4db8b6ab9d3ad8a16   1f5fb7b30d1c94b7ffb26e97e65ab35209ca53f139ca866bcbf5378ab369a5ed   WIN      
68e15eca4704b0d841ea46354a5d5bf16db32f7fe526c8a12ead16ce0820c067   3caf7f741b020c5f47f3b58603e9f8bbf819dfb6ac8d1191dc726c9d4cd96314   WIN      
906bf69d14687c9db2f2e92cc8ab25398872c22a03d024407471af3856efcd38   27e6747c2f1cf5d00ee894afcc593c290ff83d77b36cfe190e3fb266124f3212   WIN      
6d1bf32d468ab45a46f10655f7ef3470bbdf50e9066a037673c1ebd975191645   52e47c823ee46185d277bfa9aefc6d5c009f28000279b9440608f3e954fd291f   WIN      
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2542704da9332533a81c86137db996bd2185eb3869c7e36ac2e6ac2622f7af02   5d0aa9dba370985955e261438ce8bcd419ebf64f1dfbe0853686fbc53ec428d7   WIN      
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f0363c526e40fa4029f91c77eeb987af4a45c980cb6efceaa98033b6444d18e0   7a5c55dbd2dfa21c92c7c41793cafa26683f3bcf945e4d7fb3105a248541330e   WIN      
b51a0d6e78310488a7a1b0f2977c19cd9942399fdb13ba3b03d445a1d53b1873   70a929a938a896101d181cd875af953f6ad53ba57d397aed9bcaaa84cee6e74b   WIN      
9f26252391d8f25ac16a4e99f83849a7eb7d867155e7fac0de1df7c70d4ed58f   8cec564183e33bc02e2825f2b8c7d68257ccbf0bf5eff63a9c91503058c6aef1   WIN      
326bb589a102cafdc701bb2779f1935287025e8beb80b140449870d5cb51dfaa   582249c98ec9475935c3653ee260d0eb96a3a752c95b64c02b48b21b5e152c93   WIN      
1b6a69bfa3731cf48e49e7e3db86a83ef9d3f2c63c00e3554e9cba470fef44a6   0533e956b0079dbe15492bc8dd00953c513b83ad70e6a9a116c8a8defac25bde   WIN      
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6e1f7a9f5cbe3a1838a0a95a5aae6313fe2930cb1adbcd329399471fe2903875   b31c9b6f65fba397b88abc0c9f05c70e656ef343971ff4a1ba19ee709a5bc4af   WIN      
f19cd4be7309ae259f29bc12bf24c952219d0b8280d276644583320bc32f74d0   a084aca6c4d8347c8ba5883c53b281e4ca5cee98b0e01b33906f4aa894c058b1   WIN      
0cf4ec6e504ff75a1a280d10108163a827dc4ede060e3b9d5b360203eb958f39   cc7aac472072d74f1be3db14f17d666e946cf1a93cb8a4b30d600004c04a978e   WIN      
305e3f0974d55b131dff8822945e39b1afba62a2433e793931d674abd6ff2af5   874df79c00afdfa54c4da1c17b70744bdd7d3ab90ccd0152570fc2db1b61d651   WIn

[kanggoroo]

I could beat my self that I bet on this site dispite the full anonymity of the sites owner. The only contact is a bitmessage address, wich is inactive. I've lost a fair amount of money to this possible scam. The following transactions clearly won given the trade logs of the individual exchanges at the time:

445b4932e1ee35217f4bb2928e0c58663388296b59f04b33ea2178f3278d1c86
1192a5e5c5bbc306c28022b749032d35f52f3c52c121bced717e99637a2d3544
3a29baa932252b897321ae168830e78e59970e611326c2b69efad602b932e870

Trade logs show that the exchange rate was not even close to the outcome value. And it is quite remarkable that the "result" in all cases is very very close to the start value. I would love to see wich individual trades where responsible for the outcome. Or otherwise a refund. Cny/usd exchange rate is 6.144 right now.

wtf ...this guys use cheat in this site ?
144 wins is something and im sure that was not the thing we called luck factor !
be fair dude .... omg

[Sunderland]

win 144 bets streak and complain about 3 last bet results ?
you are too greedy man , and how you predict that so accurated and wins 144 bets in a row ?
do we should call it lucky or magic ? 

[pumpernick]

Hey,

Well, 144 wins in a row look suspicios indeed. But what happened is much less specatacular than one might think. Your page just stopped acceptiing bets above 0.003BTC even though the page displayed a mex bet much higher than that. So I figured it would be ok to submit multiple bets at the same time to keep the game going. A bet in the range of 0.003-0.001 BTC is just not very thrilling. And I made sure not to bet more than the maximum bet at a time displayed on your page. Given that multiplayer it is still a nice streak but you must admit that the LTC/USD exchange rate was quite predicatble last week. And I lost far more than what I won.
However, when your page suddenly started to accept higher bets again I stopped submiting multiple bets at once and continued to bet normaly. But this time everything felt fishy and not that related to the actual exchange rate. Thats why I decided to check the outcome of bets on your site. To do this I wrote a simple app to fetch the trade log from BtcE, BitFinex and okCoin.cn (like explained on your site) and compared this to the three bets I posted above. And there is no doubt that the bet outcome is not backed by marked data.
There are better ways to cheat on undownbot.bz than actually betting for sure. The service is using a windows server running IIS and PHP. And the server time is off by a couple of houres. Which may also affect accuracy of bet outcomes. How do you evaluate the current exchange rate if you don't know the current time? The displayed exchange rates for LTC/USD and BTC/USD are also off by a tiny fraction. I think the service is not always using the latest CNY/USD exchange rate.

To my "real identity". I'm not a board kind of guy. In face, I do not even have an account on any other board except internal company boards. But this board is the only way to get in touch with you. Feel free to reveal my "real board identity" if you like. I think you are just trying to discredit me because you cheated on those bets.

[kanggoroo]

questions is ... if owner cheated on bets how come you win 144 in a row ?

[pumpernick]

questions is ... if owner cheated on bets how come you win 144 in a row ?

My guess is that he increased the min bet to 0.1btc and started cheating at the same time because I won 144 bets in a row.

EDIT: I just counted the number of bets posted by updownbot.bz above and it is far less than 144. I did not count how many bets I actualy won in a row back then.

[monim1]

What was your strategy to be able to get 144 trades correct consecutively?

[pumpernick]

What was your strategy to be able to get 144 trades correct consecutively?

After some time I realised that the LTC/BTC exchange rate is quite constant. Probably due to some automatic arbitrage going on like USD -> BTC -> LTC -> USD. The conclusion is that the LTC exchange rate must follow the BTC trend very quickly. This knowladge combined with the sudden down fall of BTC last week made it for me. But as I mentioned before. This strategy did not work out after all. And it was not more than about 10 wins in a row. Wich might be just plain luck.

[kanggoroo]

questions is ... if owner cheated on bets how come you win 144 in a row ?

My guess is that he increased the min bet to 0.1btc and started cheating at the same time because I won 144 bets in a row.

EDIT: I just counted the number of bets posted by updownbot.bz above and it is far less than 144. I did not count how many bets I actualy won in a row back then.

my personal opinion is , owner increased min bet to prevent more bets come while he investigate that matter.
i play in this site at launching , and make hundred bets / rounds there .
and i know winning streak in a row is hard to get , every second market can change.
to win streak in row it will need pure luck beside our prediction up or down.
my best record for winning streak maybe only 5/6 times in a row
example :

i send bet to that site and that need 10-20sec time to send from our wallet.
price can suddenly change before our bet come through.
sometimes that make me lose , but it can make me win too.

so winning streak +/- 100 times is make me wonder how the hell he/she can do that ?
idk , only owner can answer about this.

[updownbot.bz]

What was your strategy to be able to get 144 trades correct consecutively?

After some time I realised that the LTC/BTC exchange rate is quite constant. Probably due to some automatic arbitrage going on like USD -> BTC -> LTC -> USD. The conclusion is that the LTC exchange rate must follow the BTC trend very quickly. This knowladge combined with the sudden down fall of BTC last week made it for me. But as I mentioned before. This strategy did not work out after all. And it was not more than about 10 wins in a row. Wich might be just plain luck.

Dear sir

"combined with the sudden down fall of BTC"

It all sounds nice and interesting but the only hole in your explaonation is that you only bet for LTC/USD to go up not DOWN ( which was the actual trend at the time you said yourself ), every bet you made was for LTC/USD TO GO UP.

And then you decided to submit some bets WITHOUT TX fees

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4758396d6d8858f7dc67dc3b84148e993e40422d84610860881d673f1c4aea52
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Please note we paid out on all of those feeless bets with no questions, so now we have around 0.1 with no confirmations because of you.

Also why after noticing that the service is not behaving the right way you still continued betting, you probably should've stopped.

Look what happened is simple - you tried to control the price by making erroneous trades on Bitfinnex ( which is actually against our fair play policy ) it worked for a little bit, but markets are fair eventually traders took advantage of your buying spree shorted your orders and you LOST plain and simple - take it like a man! No Refund for you!

The only lesson here is OUR INDEX AS FAIR AS IT CAN BE and CAN NOT be cheated!

THAT SAID IF ANYBODY ELSE CAN CLONE THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE SERVICE THAT THIS GUY IS TALKING ABOUT I WILL REFUND THOSE BETS!

We will be showing each trade that went into the index real soon so there is no BS like this anymore.

WE ARE COMMITED TO OUR FAIR PLAY POLICY AND WE PAY OUT EACH AND EVERY TIME!

What is acceptable under Fair Play policy?
 Making a trade before or exactly at the start time of the bet - HEDGING YOUR POSITION!

What is not acceptable?
 Making erroneous trades during the time of the bet. Any trades that UpDownBot considers erroneous   will be omitted from the index and the bet will be voided.

[kanggoroo]

so winning streak +/- 100 times is make me wonder how the hell he/she can do that ?


BUSTED 

[BRE]

  that cheater never reply again hahahahaha.
and now we know why he use newbie rank to complain here 
nice punch UpDownBot  , straight to the face 

[pumpernick]

questions is ... if owner cheated on bets how come you win 144 in a row ?

My guess is that he increased the min bet to 0.1btc and started cheating at the same time because I won 144 bets in a row.

EDIT: I just counted the number of bets posted by updownbot.bz above and it is far less than 144. I did not count how many bets I actualy won in a row back then.

my personal opinion is , owner increased min bet to prevent more bets come while he investigate that matter.
i play in this site at launching , and make hundred bets / rounds there .
and i know winning streak in a row is hard to get , every second market can change.
to win streak in row it will need pure luck beside our prediction up or down.
my best record for winning streak maybe only 5/6 times in a row
example :

i send bet to that site and that need 10-20sec time to send from our wallet.
price can suddenly change before our bet come through.
sometimes that make me lose , but it can make me win too.

so winning streak +/- 100 times is make me wonder how the hell he/she can do that ?
idk , only owner can answer about this.

Thing is, I won about 60-70 bets in a row by submitting about 8 bets at a time, like explained before. The numbers might be wrong slightly but thats how I remember it. Which leads to about the same winning streak as you had.

[pumpernick]

A shame you edited your response before I had time to answer. But here for what is left.

"combined with the sudden down fall of BTC"

It all sounds nice and interesting but the only hole in your explaonation is that you only bet for LTC/USD to go up not DOWN ( which was the actual trend at the time you said yourself ), every bet you made was for LTC/USD TO GO UP.

A smart guy like you should be able to figure out why all bets are to go up in this situation. 

And then you decided to submit some bets WITHOUT TX fees

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Please note we paid out on all of those feeless bets with no questions, so now we have around 0.1 with no confirmations because of you.

I'm sorry about that. These where my first transactions made by the multiple bets at the same time tool. I used raw transactions and got the fee wrong. Believe me, it was not that easy to get the change for me, too. But they are far less then 0.1BTC. You tend to over und understate things easily.

Look what happened is simple - you tried to control the price by making erroneous trades on Bitfinnex ( which is actually against our fair play policy ) it worked for a little bit, but markets are fair eventually traders took advantage of your buying spree shorted your orders and you LOST plain and simple - take it like a man! No Refund for you!

That does not even make sence. Why would someone make huge transactions to win one 0.0x BTC bet returning +75% ? This would be insanly stupid. Run the math yourself.

THAT SAID IF ANYBODY ELSE CAN CLONE THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE SERVICE THAT THIS GUY IS TALKING ABOUT I WILL REFUND THOSE BETS!

Except he got lucky some days before. In that case you just react like you did with me.

We will be showing each trade that went into the index real soon so there is no BS like this anymore.

That would indeed solve the issue.

[updownbot.bz]

A shame you edited your response before I had time to answer. But here for what is left.

"combined with the sudden down fall of BTC"

It all sounds nice and interesting but the only hole in your explaonation is that you only bet for LTC/USD to go up not DOWN ( which was the actual trend at the time you said yourself ), every bet you made was for LTC/USD TO GO UP.

A smart guy like you should be able to figure out why all bets are to go up in this situation.  

And then you decided to submit some bets WITHOUT TX fees

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Please note we paid out on all of those feeless bets with no questions, so now we have around 0.1 with no confirmations because of you.

I'm sorry about that. These where my first transactions made by the multiple bets at the same time tool. I used raw transactions and got the fee wrong. Believe me, it was not that easy to get the change for me, too. But they are far less then 0.1BTC. You tend to over und understate things easily.

Look what happened is simple - you tried to control the price by making erroneous trades on Bitfinnex ( which is actually against our fair play policy ) it worked for a little bit, but markets are fair eventually traders took advantage of your buying spree shorted your orders and you LOST plain and simple - take it like a man! No Refund for you!

That does not even make sence. Why would someone make huge transactions to win one 0.0x BTC bet returning +75% ? This would be insanly stupid. Run the math yourself.

THAT SAID IF ANYBODY ELSE CAN CLONE THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE SERVICE THAT THIS GUY IS TALKING ABOUT I WILL REFUND THOSE BETS!

Except he got lucky some days before. In that case you just react like you did with me.

We will be showing each trade that went into the index real soon so there is no BS like this anymore.

That would indeed solve the issue.

Dear sir


"That does not even make sence. Why would someone make huge transactions to win one 0.0x BTC bet returning +75% ? This would be insanly stupid. Run the math yourself."

Simple - Bitfinnex does not have takers fee, the trades were free for you - thats why you were only betting UP!



1. Post from your real nick

2. Admit you were cheating ( come on ... you almost did it one little step left )

And i promice i will refund 0.3 BTC cause this is not about coins

[sofia94]

nice gambling
im going to try it

[pumpernick]

Dear sir


"That does not even make sence. Why would someone make huge transactions to win one 0.0x BTC bet returning +75% ? This would be insanly stupid. Run the math yourself."

Simple - Bitfinnex does not have takers fee, the trades were free for you - thats why you were only betting UP!



1. Post from your real nick

2. Admit you were cheating ( come on ... you almost did it one little step left )

And i promice i will refund 0.3 BTC cause this is not about coins

Two problems in your theory:
1. There was almost no trade at BitFinex on the LTC/USD market at the time. Which makes it hard to claim that "huge" transactions where used to manipulate the market.
2. Even if there is no takers fee. To make many "huge" transactions. I would certanly have to give everything back for less and in addition pay fees.

Let's say I would have an hero account for this board. Wouldn't it make sence to post here, accusing you of cheating, using my trustworthy account?
There is realy nothing more to admit. And I'm not sure why you are so confident that I have cheated. When there are no traces or any proof. Not even a real explonation how I could have cheated. I can admit that the high number of win transactions may look suspicious. But you can easily see that they are made at the same time, all have a low vlaue and that I'm not the only one who got that lucky. Also I had bad luck at the same time.

I could certanly admit to have cheated just to get some of my BTC back. But I can't stand cheating gambling site owners. This should be a warning for everyone to send BTC to updownbot.bz and other anonymous sites.

[kanggoroo]

so lucky is the answer ?
pfff
this word seem accused this site cheating

But I can't stand cheating gambling site owners. This should be a warning for everyone to send BTC to updownbot.bz and other anonymous sites.

ok give valid proof here about that , i cant trust that only based on your words or your feeling only


suggestions :
you already win in that site , so why arguing hard about that ?
end this madness and you only use newbie acc , it will not hurt your true acc here.
life goes on dude .....

or maybe its only unfair competition from other gambling site operator ?

no need to answer my post , everyone who read this from the start can understand and know whose right or wrong.
dont ruined other business , this site is new.
like i said up there , i hope this is not unfair competition from other gambling site operator .

[pumpernick]

so lucky is the answer ?
pfff
this word seem accused this site cheating

But I can't stand cheating gambling site owners. This should be a warning for everyone to send BTC to updownbot.bz and other anonymous sites.

ok give valid proof here about that , i cant trust that only based on your words or your feeling only

It is easy to check for everyone. Take my three transactions. Write down the time when the transaction was received by blockchain.info. Add 60 seconds. Check all trades +-5s from BtcE, BitFinex and okCoin.cn. Just like explained on updownbot.bz. Use the CNY/USD exchange rate from my first post. See that the LTC/USD exchange rate was not like shown on the website and that the bets should have won.

And yes I had luck once some days before. But not more than others had. This is not realy related to my case. It just shows a possible motive for updownbot.bz to manipulate. It might also have been a bug in their software but given the response, I doubt that.

[BRE]

so lucky is the answer ?
pfff
this word seem accused this site cheating

But I can't stand cheating gambling site owners. This should be a warning for everyone to send BTC to updownbot.bz and other anonymous sites.

ok give valid proof here about that , i cant trust that only based on your words or your feeling only

It is easy to check for everyone. Take my three transactions. Write down the time when the transaction was received by blockchain.info. Add 60 seconds. Check all trades +-5s from BtcE, BitFinex and okCoin.cn. Just like explained on updownbot.bz. Use the CNY/USD exchange rate from my first post. See that the LTC/USD exchange rate was not like shown on the website and that the bets should have won.

And yes I had luck once some days before. But not more than others had. This is not realy related to my case. It just shows a possible motive for updownbot.bz to manipulate. It might also have been a bug in their software but given the response, I doubt that.

I dont see good answer from your explanation , like possible motive , maybe bug .
With no legitimate proof your words mean nothing.
I dont have any affiliation with this site , but from what i read here i smell some conspiracy here.
There is some other gambling site who have same service like updownbot.bz , but why you only post here ?
Makes sense if other poster said maybe it was unfair competition from other operator who has same service with this site.
Well i know lot of users accused scam about some gambling site , but they did that when they lose because feel cheated there.
In your case , you still win more than that 3 failed bets , and you accused this site can manipulate bets without legitimate proof.

Regards

Jo