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September 04, 2014, 12:45:48 AM
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Why was 21 million the number of bitcoins to be created?
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September 04, 2014, 12:59:38 AM
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Why was 21 million the number of bitcoins to be created?

 I think Satoshi pulled a random number from his derriere.  Cheesy
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September 04, 2014, 01:03:11 AM
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I always wondered this myself. Why 21? Is creator of bitcoin fond of blackjack or something? This number has some hidden meaning or it is pure random... I guess we will never know for sure unless someone will found a source.
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September 04, 2014, 01:09:14 AM
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It is just an arbitrary number. The point is to set a limit.

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September 04, 2014, 01:09:29 AM
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Why was 21 million the number of bitcoins to be created?

Because that's how the mathematics worked out.

More specifically, it isn't 21 million.  It's actually 20999999.9769.  It's just easier for everyone to remember and say "There will never be more than 21 million created" than is is to say, "The maximum that could potentially have been created is twenty million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine and nine thousand seven hundred sixty-nine ten-thousandths".

What Satoshi actually did was choose a reasonable sounding number 50 and decide that the block reward would be 50 bitcoins per block for the first 210,000 blocks.  Then he decided that in order to have a fixed quantity, but not have a sudden drop off, the block reward would be cut in half every 210,000 blocks.  If you do this cutting in half and adding up all the blocks (rounding down to the nearest satoshi value every time), you'll find that the exact amount of bitcoins that are created by the time the 6,930,000 the block is created is 20999999.9769
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September 04, 2014, 03:48:36 PM
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Why was 21 million the number of bitcoins to be created?

Because that's how the mathematics worked out.

More specifically, it isn't 21 million.  It's actually 20999999.9769.  It's just easier for everyone to remember and say "There will never be more than 21 million created" than is is to say, "The maximum that could potentially have been created is twenty million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine and nine thousand seven hundred sixty-nine ten-thousandths".

What Satoshi actually did was choose a reasonable sounding number 50 and decide that the block reward would be 50 bitcoins per block for the first 210,000 blocks.  Then he decided that in order to have a fixed quantity, but not have a sudden drop off, the block reward would be cut in half every 210,000 blocks.  If you do this cutting in half and adding up all the blocks (rounding down to the nearest satoshi value every time), you'll find that the exact amount of bitcoins that are created by the time the 6,930,000 the block is created is 20999999.9769

every 210 000 blocks the reward is halved

and there is a total of 21 million coins

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September 04, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
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every 210 000 blocks the reward is halved

and there is a total of 21 million coins

it has to have a meaning

21 is half of 42
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September 04, 2014, 04:23:02 PM
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every 210 000 blocks the reward is halved

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it has to have a meaning

Block difficulty is adjusted so that blocks occur on average every 10 minutes.

10 minutes X 210,000 blocks = 2,100,000 minutes.

2,100,000 minutes / 1,440 minutes per day = 1458.333 days.

1458.3333 days / 365.242 days per year = 3.99 years.

It looks to me like he started by deciding that the block reward would be cut in half every 4 years, and then calculated that out to discover it would be 210,379.392 blocks.  Then he probably just rounded off to 210,000.

As far as I can tell, the unexplained magic constants in the bitcoin protocol are:

  • Starting subsidy of 5,000,000,000 integer units
  • A Bitcoin defined as 100,000,000 integer units
  • Subsidy reduced by bit shift (essentially divide by 2 and round down to nearest integer unit)
  • Subsidy reduced every 4 years, rounded to be exactly 210,000 blocks
  • Difficulty adjusted every 2 weeks (2016 blocks)
  • Difficulty adjusted for average 10 minutes per block

I see a lot of numbers in there, but not many 21s.
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September 04, 2014, 06:46:25 PM
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Why was 21 million the number of bitcoins to be created?

Because that's how the mathematics worked out.

More specifically, it isn't 21 million.  It's actually 20999999.9769.  It's just easier for everyone to remember and say "There will never be more than 21 million created" than is is to say, "The maximum that could potentially have been created is twenty million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine and nine thousand seven hundred sixty-nine ten-thousandths".

What Satoshi actually did was choose a reasonable sounding number 50 and decide that the block reward would be 50 bitcoins per block for the first 210,000 blocks.  Then he decided that in order to have a fixed quantity, but not have a sudden drop off, the block reward would be cut in half every 210,000 blocks.  If you do this cutting in half and adding up all the blocks (rounding down to the nearest satoshi value every time), you'll find that the exact amount of bitcoins that are created by the time the 6,930,000 the block is created is 20999999.9769

Very interesting, I didnt know about how it wasn't 21 million exactly.
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September 04, 2014, 06:53:42 PM
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21 million because it pays to be rich! lol idk but honestly....

it is because 21 million has a significant number, the legal drinking age in most states of U.S.A. Satoshi is also my uncle.

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September 04, 2014, 07:03:37 PM
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Why was 21 million the number of bitcoins to be created?
Only the God knows why.If it were unlimited then may be it wouldn't have got any value.Mysteries is what this world is full of
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September 04, 2014, 07:07:18 PM
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arbitrary number i guess, or maybe he started from the block value, so why 50?

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September 04, 2014, 08:21:36 PM
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21 million because it pays to be rich! lol idk but honestly....

it is because 21 million has a significant number, the legal drinking age in most states of U.S.A. Satoshi is also my uncle.

well, 21 is one of the perfect numbers

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The 21 chapters of the Gospel of saint John, totaling 879 verses.

The 21 attributes of the Wisdom. (Ws 7,22-23)

Number of chapters of the book of Judges in the Old Testament.

During 21 days the Prince of the kingdom of Persia (protective angel of the enemy nations) resisted to the Michael Archangel as well as to the angel of the prophet Daniel. (Dn 10,13)

Jacob worked three times seven years to keep the herds of his uncle Laban to obtain two wives and two maidservant, who were used to him also as concubines as it was the habit to the period. (Gn 29,15-30)

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For Claude of Saint-Martin, "the number 21 is the number of destruction or rather of universal termination, because, as 2 is separated from 1, it is necessary that it has a means of to unite there if it wants it. This number shows at the same time the command of the production of things and their end, as well in the spiritual one as in the corporal one."

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Represent the harmony of the creation.

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September 05, 2014, 06:47:57 AM
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There's also the fact that 21 million is within an order of magnitude of the maximum number (67,108,863.99999999) that can be precisely represented to 8 decimal places in double-precision floating-point format. That's probably not a coincidence.

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September 05, 2014, 01:46:03 PM
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Why was 21 million the number of bitcoins to be created?

Some people look for conspiracy theories behind every simple thing.
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September 06, 2014, 12:45:15 PM
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Isn't it a completely arbitrary number?  Roll Eyes
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September 06, 2014, 01:10:39 PM
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This is something that always had me wondering, why was it 21? If I didn't know for sure or had not seen replies in this thread I would be certain that the reason was just a random number he chose. Never heard of any conspiracy theories myself however I agree there is always someone making a conspiracy theory out of something.
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September 06, 2014, 04:14:15 PM
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6 blocks per hour
* 24 hours per day
* 365 days per year
* 4 years per cycle
= 210,240
~= 210,000
Sum all the block reward sizes:

50 + 25 + 12.5 + 6.25 + 3.125 + ... = 100
Multiply the two:

210,000 * 100 = 21 million

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September 06, 2014, 11:39:20 PM
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Why was 21 million the number of bitcoins to be created?

I think it's difficult to say since no one here actually created Bitcoin.
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September 07, 2014, 12:44:45 AM
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Because it had to  some number.

Why you shirt is black/white/wharever color, and why it is 12:42:26 when I made this post?

Is there any hidden stuff about these facts?

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