Reddit Blocked Our Pro-Bitcoin, Anti-Banking Site BanksWorstFear.com - entirely

[dopecoindude]

Apparently supporting the bitdrop:

re: Site appears to be banned
from Sporkicide[A] via /r/reddit.com/ sent 42 minutes ago
You and your site are banned because you were paying people to post. Due to the nature of the offense, neither you or the site will be unbanned.

Admin: http://www.reddit.com/user/Sporkicide

How do they know that?

Is it true?

This is speculation, but if the reddit admins have "shadow" accounts then they can check for opportunities of getting paid to post. They can also search the internet, various forums, ect for offers to get paid for posting on reddit.

Wow, I had no idea ?  That is really, really messed up. Does anyone have any write-ups I can read about this?  How is reddit still so popular if people know this?

[BanksWorstFear]

This is speculation, but if the reddit admins have "shadow" accounts then they can check for opportunities of getting paid to post. They can also search the internet, various forums, ect for offers to get paid for posting on reddit.
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Wow, I had no idea ?  That is really, really messed up. Does anyone have any write-ups I can read about this?  How is reddit still so popular if people know this?

It Makes sense. I've already started to use an open source reddit alternative
"WhoaVerse": http://whoaverse.com/about

[commandrix]

This is speculation, but if the reddit admins have "shadow" accounts then they can check for opportunities of getting paid to post. They can also search the internet, various forums, ect for offers to get paid for posting on reddit.
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Wow, I had no idea ?  That is really, really messed up. Does anyone have any write-ups I can read about this?  How is reddit still so popular if people know this?

It Makes sense. I've already started to use an open source reddit alternative
"WhoaVerse": http://whoaverse.com/about

I thought for sure it was a Reddit clone at first. But I like that it's open-source. I wonder how we can get more Bitcoin users involved in that one.

[dopecoindude]

This is speculation, but if the reddit admins have "shadow" accounts then they can check for opportunities of getting paid to post. They can also search the internet, various forums, ect for offers to get paid for posting on reddit.
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Wow, I had no idea ?  That is really, really messed up. Does anyone have any write-ups I can read about this?  How is reddit still so popular if people know this?

It Makes sense. I've already started to use an open source reddit alternative
"WhoaVerse": http://whoaverse.com/about

I thought for sure it was a Reddit clone at first. But I like that it's open-source. I wonder how we can get more Bitcoin users involved in that one.

Is there a r/bitcoin there ? that is how.

[BanksWorstFear]

This is speculation, but if the reddit admins have "shadow" accounts then they can check for opportunities of getting paid to post. They can also search the internet, various forums, ect for offers to get paid for posting on reddit.
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Wow, I had no idea ?  That is really, really messed up. Does anyone have any write-ups I can read about this?  How is reddit still so popular if people know this?

It Makes sense. I've already started to use an open source reddit alternative
"WhoaVerse": http://whoaverse.com/about

I thought for sure it was a Reddit clone at first. But I like that it's open-source. I wonder how we can get more Bitcoin users involved in that one.

Is there a r/bitcoin there ? that is how.

yup http://whoaverse.com/v/bitcoin

[pedrog]

Well, mystery solved...

[theymos]

Sites usually don't get completely banned from Reddit. Submissions from soft-banned domains end up in the moderation queue and moderators can manually approve them. Most Reddit moderators never approve stuff like this, but /r/Bitcoin mods do. If you submit interesting articles to /r/Bitcoin, they might get approved by the moderators. I'm not sure why that "traditional banking is so annoying" article wasn't approved. Maybe your domain was actually hard-banned, though I've never seen that before. I'll look into it.

I agree that Reddit is often too heavy on banning users and domains. I think that this has a lot to do with the Reddit voting/moderation system just not working very well in general, and so the admins and moderators have to do all kinds of crazy/unfair/heavy-handed things just to make the site halfway usable. We've had to make a few concessions even in /r/Bitcoin, though I think that /r/Bitcoin is still one of the freest large subreddits.

[BanksWorstFear]

Sites usually don't get completely banned from Reddit. Submissions from soft-banned domains end up in the moderation queue and moderators can manually approve them. Most Reddit moderators never approve stuff like this, but /r/Bitcoin mods do. If you submit interesting articles to /r/Bitcoin, they might get approved by the moderators. I'm not sure why that "traditional banking is so annoying" article wasn't approved. Maybe your domain was actually hard-banned, though I've never seen that before. I'll look into it.

I agree that Reddit is often too heavy on banning users and domains. I think that this has a lot to do with the Reddit voting/moderation system just not working very well in general, and so the admins and moderators have to do all kinds of crazy/unfair/heavy-handed things just to make the site halfway usable. We've had to make a few concessions even in /r/Bitcoin, though I think that /r/Bitcoin is still one of the freest large subreddits.

Thanks. Another layer of things I don't know, soft-ban vs hard-ban.

They're acting like government, thinking regulation will stop bad behavior.

Instead of fixing their algorithm; perhaps adding captchas; better deteching 'shill' behavior...they resort to banning.

Yeah in fact someone from bitcoin (a mod?) told me when I was shadowbanned, before I knew, and I already knew about shadowbanning.

Bitcoin as a community can decentralize and open source its own; or switch over to WhoaVerse: http://whoaverse.com/v/bitcoin

[BanksWorstFear]

Here's the official story of how we were banned from all of reddit:

http://banksworstfear.com/bitcoin-site-banned-need-decentralized-open-source-reddit/

[slaveforanunnak1]

What was the name of that decentralized reddit site? Fuck, I forget.

[bitcoinanon]

This is rather unfortunate. Seems like they could have sent you a message or a warning. But I also do not understand why you were banned.  I read the whole thread and I am still confused. I love Banksworstfear.com perhaps we should start using whoaverse...

edit: I read your article. Honesty is rarely rewarded. Fuck reddit.

[cyberpinoy]

I do not even use reddit, is this site really that important to BTC users and miners, I use this forum for information i need, github for source and coinwars for stats on coins I want to mine. I am a pretty simple person and like to keep things at a minimum.

[Nagle]

This is what I did:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765470

You wrote "For any user who simply submits a link about the bitdrop to our subreddit I'll give you $0.25 of free bits."

Paying for posting. You're banned. Duh.

[BanksWorstFear]

What was the name of that decentralized reddit site? Fuck, I forget.

http://WhoaVerse.com

I do not even use reddit, is this site really that important to BTC users and miners, I use this forum for information i need, github for source and coinwars for stats on coins I want to mine. I am a pretty simple person and like to keep things at a minimum.

The site is still important for bitcoin stories to be broken and spread around. Reddit has very large audience. They got our breaking bit drop story over 7,000 views.

[BanksWorstFear]

This is rather unfortunate. Seems like they could have sent you a message or a warning. But I also do not understand why you were banned.  I read the whole thread and I am still confused. I love Banksworstfear.com perhaps we should start using whoaverse...

edit: I read your article. Honesty is rarely rewarded. Fuck reddit.

Thanks. DUh

You wrote "For any user who simply submits a link about the bitdrop to our subreddit I'll give you $0.25 of free bits."

Paying for posting. You're banned. Duh.

How is that different from changetip operating and Tipping on reddit for posting?

Its pretty close to hypocritical.

[slaveforanunnak1]

What was the name of that decentralized reddit site? Fuck, I forget.

http://WhoaVerse.com

I do not even use reddit, is this site really that important to BTC users and miners, I use this forum for information i need, github for source and coinwars for stats on coins I want to mine. I am a pretty simple person and like to keep things at a minimum.

The site is still important for bitcoin stories to be broken and spread around. Reddit has very large audience. They got our breaking bit drop story over 7,000 views.

Nice..  the one i was thinking of was not whoaverse but i'll take it. How is the moderation work?

[pedrog]

You wrote "For any user who simply submits a link about the bitdrop to our subreddit I'll give you $0.25 of free bits."

Paying for posting. You're banned. Duh.

How is that different from changetip operating and Tipping on reddit for posting?

Its pretty close to hypocritical.

Well, it is not.

Reddit keeps rules to the minimum, they try to let users post whatever they like and they have faced consequences because of that.

Reddit rules are pretty simple.

http://www.reddit.com/rules/

"NOT OK: Buying votes or using services to vote."

Pay to post is pretty much the same thing as pay to vote.

[MineForeman.com]

How is the moderation work?

I am not a moderator but I do post things over there every now and then so I have a fair idea, It is mostly automated and what the moderators actually mostly do is pull things back that the system has unfairly yanked out.

However, this was not the case in this indecent.  The moderators caught wind of BanksWorstFear offer to pay people to post in a new subreddit;-

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765470.0

They very much frown on that sort of thing.

Neil

[SigmaAlt]

http://getaether.net

Worth a shot.

[leannemckim46]

If what the mods thought you were doing it true then banning you was likely the appropriate course of action. They are trying to make the upvotting system as fair as possible to ensure that posts that people actually like will make it to the "top" of the hot (?) list. If the system get manipulated too much then good articles/posts will be hard to find and people will not utilize reddit.