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April 19, 2012, 10:47:10 PM
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My greed is on a level most members of Wall Street can't yet imagine. They are like charity loving tree hugging hippies compared to my greed. Anyone who wants to rule the world should learn to think big. You see those stars out there? How much do you think they're worth? Want to go get some of that? How are you going to satisfy your intergalactic greed when you can't work together enough to build transportation and factories to process the raw materials and other valuable things you find?

Still, that is not greedy enough. The universe is infinite. Nonexistence is isomorphic to the set of all self-consistent possibilities. Are you seriously happy with owning just this 1 tiny corner of the universe? I'd like to call Wall Street greedy, but they're just not up to my standards. Please try harder. I know you can want your own intergalactic multiverse grid if you really tried to want it. You're so passive and polite in not trying to buy all these amazing things around us.

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Think about what the creation of stock markets did for global productivity. This would be that level of improvement over stock markets as they exist today.

I love stock markets overall because I'm greedy toward maximizing the productivity of Earth for everyone, but not the unbalanced way they're used. Protest the details of Wall Street which unbalance things but not the value of stock markets in general... at least until we have no need for laws and money anymore.

For the same reason, there should be no intellectual property laws. Small greed sells to millions. Big greed gives it to billions and profits from what they create and also give to everyone, including you. That appears small when only a few people do it, but if billions of people were doing whatever they're good at and copying it (if its easily copied) to up to billions of others, then intellectual property laws would be seen as the drain on productivity they really are. Its why open source software is now as advanced as proprietary software. We stand on the shoulders of giants for free. Giants all around. Why argue about music piracy while wars are costing trillions of dollars in damage to infrastructure, people who could be doing useful work, and generally making people hate eachother. The total value of intellectual property laws is negative. Don't let small greed get in the way of big greed.


If greed is your way of life, take some pride in it and learn to be as greedy as you can. Make an art of it. Be greedy in a way museums will be created to display your style of greed long after you're dead. But these mountains of pages of financial laws that nobody reads... That's not art. Its garbage. The most greedy would refine their ways of greed to the most simple, efficient, and accurate ways, because you get richer.

I'm greedy in a different context. I'm greedy toward the most efficient ways to improve the universe overall. What was the difference between greed and altruism? Words are so confusing. Best to talk in math.

When you can make a serious proposal of how to create a billion jobs for little investment, then you'll be on a level of greed you can at least imagine how greedy I am. Until then, I have to laugh at Wall Street for leaving the galaxies out there to charity.

There is nothing more efficient than working together as equals, with nobody above or below anyone else, and many of us so greedy we don't get distracted with the details of how to stop wasting time creating science fiction TV and put that instead into making it real. Many say it can't be done. Those are the same kind of people who, 20 years ago, would have said the Internet can't be done. What if we cut all military budgets of all countries in half and put that into a shared organization legally obligated to act only toward practical mass-produced warp drive following the recent discoveries which merged quantum and relativistic physics. Science is a process, not something to get stuck in and sell to the highest bidder. I'd start with a grid of relativistic quality atomic clocks similar to how the "Global Consciousness Project" (Noosphere) uses quantum random number generators and found patterns in the numbers which were supposedly random but became a little less random at times statistically related to major world events, and see how that interacts with "Quantum Radar", rotating superfluid pools of Bose Einstein Condensate (Will the Quantum Radar decohere it or not is a question of the unbalanced part and its current angle of rotation, to be done in space in the 3 dimensional shape of a "peterson graph", since each point has 3 connections to other points, and the Quantum Radar would point parallel to each edge so all points have 3 Quantum Radars pointing at them, and use that in combination with various quantum half-silvered mirrors to split the laser signal and delay it so you get to experiment with recursive Newcomb's Paradox strategies as input to the quantum computers connecting the grids of Quantum Radar devices, or simpler just run them individually and simultaneously without the quantum computers, so the whole experiment turns that region of space into a big quantum/multiverse experiment with the rotating superfluid bose einstein condensate pools each being like a qubit except perpendicular to the "complex unit circle" we normally measure time on as in the Schrodinger Equation), grids of lasers instead of slow electricity based wires, and try lots of combinations of that... About the backward idea that intergalactic travel takes lots of energy... Nonexistence is isomorphic to the set of all self-consistent possibilities, which means the universe is simultaneously everything and nothing, like a klein bottle or mobius or other nonorientable manifold, so in total the universe cancels-out itself and doesn't exist, while all individual parts exist... The practical use of that philosophy is that since the universe does not exist overall (only its individual parts exist when separated from eachother) that it makes no sense at all why it should take more than the smallest amount of energy to make big changes to a universe which doesn't even exist in total, but apply that same force to any individual part of the universe and the imbalance drives up the energy cost to what science understands today as the only way it works. The point is to look for low energy solutions whose power comes from accuracy. Theres lots of theories and research paths we could imagine and debate on Internet forums. If you ever run out of research paths to try, I can throw some more mad-science speculation at you. But to not even try? I don't want to live in a world that prefers war over curiosity. Of course we don't know how it would work. That's why its called research, and with a multi-trillion dollar budget, if it can be done we would probably see it happen faster than any other project in history which only had billions of dollars. Chump change. As a species, its our money to spend on whats important to us. Or we could keep that money in the military budgets. Its a no-brainer to me, but I can't want it for you.

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April 19, 2012, 10:57:44 PM
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1. Start a seed bank.
2. Find a friend who wants to start a seed bank.  Lend them seeds, but require them to give back twice what you give them.
3. Seeds increase 100 fold, yours double, your friend gets to keep 98% of what they grew.
4. Restore what was lent out, go to step 2 with the other half of what you received.

Not only does this drive the cost of living down by making food more plentiful, it gives even people with small amounts of land the ability to have a crop and to have their own savings of valuable seeds.

How's that for greedy?

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April 19, 2012, 11:23:21 PM
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Money is a kind of number and calculation, a way to organize things. How does your plan create more value? And is it value like business as usual or value like lets use all these new discoveries about physics to imagine research paths and learn to fly? You're about as greedy as a nest of newly hatched birds fighting over who gets the biggest side of the nest.

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April 20, 2012, 02:40:58 AM
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Science isn't done by throwing lots of money at a scientist. Sure, give them what they need to produce results, but most discoveries are made on a chalkboard. Workers are also not necessarily driven by money. If you want to dominate the Universe (which I don't believe in) you design a religion that plays on the naivete of the populations you wish to enslave.

Besides, every interstellar-space traveling scientist worth his salt knows that the gravitic-temperature of space-time forms wrinkles that can be surfed like a ginormous wave tank. Sure, Quantum Radar will keep you lined up in the pipe, but the best surfers only need to drop a nine-ball. I'll bet you a quatloo that Earth scientists won't be able to make Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.  Wink

There is nothing more efficient than working together as equals, with nobody above or below anyone else, and many of us so greedy we don't get distracted with the details of how to stop wasting time creating science fiction TV and put that instead into making it real. Many say it can't be done. Those are the same kind of people who, 20 years ago, would have said the Internet can't be done.
I started a facebook group/page a couple years ago to promote creative writing for science fiction with only well known science and what can potentially be done with it. Most (almost all) people are brainwashed by fantasy. I blame Star Trek. Before that, sci-fi was a lot more credible.

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Science isn't done by throwing lots of money at a scientist. Sure, give them what they need to produce results, but most discoveries are made on a chalkboard.

As it should be. I proposed cutting all Earth military budgets by half (which does not disturb the balance of power) and putting those trillions of dollars per year into research toward practical mass produced warp drive, because that can buy enough scientific equipment, trips into space to test things that need to be isolated far away from the quantum interference of large mass and movement (leaving only interference from "virtual particles", star light, etc), grids of supercomputers (including custom designed hardware optimized for specific new theories people think of later), money to buy patents (to be put into the public domain) which block such research.

That doesn't cost trillions of dollars per year to do it once, but we need to do it in many combinations and keep researching new theories about *** simultaneous combinations of these things not individual experiments as science normally does because quantum is about combinations of things *** so we have far more experiments to do than a few trillion dollars per year can buy and would have to choose only the best few thousand experiments to do per year.

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Workers are also not necessarily driven by money.

The work would best be done by people who aren't driven by money. That's not a big enough goal.

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If you want to dominate the Universe (which I don't believe in) you design a religion that plays on the naivete of the populations you wish to enslave.

I don't want to dominate or enslave anything. I want to get things done, and the best way to do that is for everyone to work together as equals, including giving the same rights to any aliens we may find out there. Equals does not mean everyone is equally smart or skilled. It means ideas are important and who they came from is not important.

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Besides, every interstellar-space traveling scientist worth his salt knows that the gravitic-temperature of space-time forms wrinkles that can be surfed like a ginormous wave tank. Sure, Quantum Radar will keep you lined up in the pipe, but the best surfers only need to drop a nine-ball. I'll bet you a quatloo that Earth scientists won't be able to make Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.

I'm a generalist, and a specialist in software and math. I know enough physics to think of combinations of technology that should be tried together in the shape of closed manifolds, like a sphere or a "peterson graph" or the enlarged shape of a buckyball up in space, but I don't know enough to actually do that research. The purpose of generalists is to tell specialists that they don't know as much as their limited view of the world leads them to believe and they would make much more progress if they worked with specific other kinds of specialists and how that would fit together. If you have theories, they should be debated on chalk boards, Internet forums, and other forms of communication, with the people of Earth, to decide how the few trillion dollars per year of warp drive research budget should be used. I was just giving some ideas to show there are far more advanced things to research than are being done (mostly because the Human species keeps fighting itself).

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I started a facebook group/page a couple years ago to promote creative writing for science fiction with only well known science and what can potentially be done with it. Most (almost all) people are brainwashed by fantasy. I blame Star Trek. Before that, sci-fi was a lot more credible.

There must be millions of people smart enough to help with this, in the style of open source instead of having to pay most of them (the research budget is mostly for technology). People who think more in terms of science fiction than science, while real scientists can still very much enjoy science fiction, are not the millions of people who should do the research. The other condition is, if you don't think "practical mass produced warp drive" is reasonably possible during our lifetimes, then you're fired for claiming you can't do the job.

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April 20, 2012, 11:43:16 PM
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I have a plan somewhat similar. still working out the details...

Step 1.  Re- Watch all episodes of Pinky and The Brain.

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April 21, 2012, 01:24:51 AM
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That show is about a smart mouse (and his dumb mouse assistant) aways thinking of bizarre schemes to take over the world. Clearly you're not responding to what I wrote, since Earth is only a detail and nobody would be taking over Earth. I simply proposed a reallocation of money away from the military-industrial-complex toward a more productive goal that has been one of the bigger goals of the Human species for thousands of years, and only recently we have the many parts of technology to research toward and create it.

Its a very strategic plan for the many people who are fed up with the way the world is centered around money instead of progress toward a better world. What is most strategic about it is, the people of Earth would gradually talk to eachother and agree on some variation of this plan (or global agreement on any plan at all would be a good start), and through the authority of agreement of we-the-7-billion-people, the governments of Earth would do their job in reallocating half of the global military budget, part of which would be used to buy patents (which block this research) from those same militaries (who dominate these kind of technologies by design), using their own money, and to put those patents into the public domain so research could proceed. If we had global majority agreement on this by we-the-7-billion-people, we could use their own money to buy their patents from them, and start a chain-reaction that would gradually end all intellectual-property laws. It may sound like stealing, but its only stealing when its done by individuals... When its done by the legal reallocation of money, its called budgeting our tax dollars. Its easy to get confused between tax and stealing. This would not increase taxes or reduce any valuable things governments do. War and world domination by empires is not valuable.

It may appear I'm writing from my own goals and opinions, but this is aligned with global paradigm-shifts in progress. It may be too early to propose it, but that's the direction the world is moving.

In the last year, DARPA, the core of USA's military technology department, allocated half a million dollars as a prize for a practical idea of how to build a warp drive. Probably there are a few other things toward that same goal. Obviously they are not taking warp drive seriously.

Might it have something to do with their fear of airplanes crashing into buildings and how much faster a warp drive is? Weapon of mass destruction just isn't enough to describe what a warp drive is capable of, and thats not even what its designed for. I also have a plan to prevent terrorism, but its not easy to explain... in that link above about "service of realtime high dimension pattern match powered by hive of Human minds" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77127.0 The main function of that system is to network peoples' minds together subconsciously, through a puzzle game and all kinds of user-interfaces (some very advanced like mind reading game controllers, some just a mouse), and when our minds are flowing together to produce these valuable bits of Human intuition and intelligence streaming through the Internet, naturally people won't want to act violently against others who are part of their own mind, with an adjustable balance per computer between individual and hive mind.

Then people wouldn't want to use the warp drives as weapons, and the few who still try would be stopped by the many.

How would many warp drives stop a few warp drives from being used as weapons? Deploy them as a defense grid around Earth, constantly monitoring the curve of space and making adjustments if it becomes curved too quickly or too much. Warp drives can amplify or cancel-out eachother, similar to waves in a pool of water which you could have an AI monitor with fourier transform, statistical software, and other math, to know just what movement would smooth the waters surface near that one warp drive. A warp drive can be used with or without moving depending on how it uses the waves, as any surfer knows.

So when a terrorist comes, dragging a huge asteroid, at faster than light speed toward the Earth, the warp grid surrounding Earth would bounce that ship and the asteroid away, or if necessary because of the extreme speed and mass, use more energy and vaporize the terrorist into hawking radiation.

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April 21, 2012, 01:54:29 AM
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Warp drive. Here's the thing; it's just a fantasy that has never been observed in nature either directly, nor indirectly. Theoretical physicists can speculate all they want about things they measure, but you can't speculate about imaginary ideas and call that science. Scientists observe quantum and relativistic effects and seek evidence to support theories for them. There is nothing created by man that doesn't already have some effect already existing in nature to some degree.

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April 21, 2012, 02:03:32 AM
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Isn't it true that in the theory of "big bang", which is the most widely accepted theory among scientists, that every particle/wave/etc which is now on Earth, billions of years ago, was moving faster than light? Many people think that is the business of god(s) to use physics in that way, but I'm trying to get some science and mass producing done, not hold a church service.

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Isn't it true that in the theory of "big bang", which is the most widely accepted theory among scientists, that every particle/wave/etc which is now on Earth, billions of years ago, was moving faster than light? Many people think that is the business of god(s) to use physics in that way, but I'm trying to get some science and mass producing done, not hold a church service.
I don't know about the Big Bang. I wasn't there. Besides, that model of expansion of space time hypothesizes that physics worked differently in Planck Time than they do now. If you want to be a god, then thy will be done; but you gotta be the one to do it. If we ever do observe relativistic time-tunneling, then that would be a good place to start experimenting.

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I don't know about the Big Bang. I wasn't there.

Or at least you don't remember it, since what is now your brain was exploding as various kinds of waves like everything else.

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hypothesizes that physics worked differently in Planck Time than they do now.

The laws of physics can change? Why isn't that being researched?

That sounds like a great way to go faster than light, using energy provided in the future by your new physics to create those physics in the present, and of course your new physics allows backward transfer of energy because that's how you had the artificial intelligence physics software induce it into the quantum chaos.

Its really just semantics. If physics means "how the universe works", then what we call physics is an incomplete picture of the more general physics which describes how physics can change.

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If you want to be a god, then thy will be done; but you gotta be the one to do it. If we ever do observe relativistic time-tunneling, then that would be a good place to start experimenting.

Doesn't "god" just mean something we don't yet understand? People used to say lightning came from the god of thunder when he was angry, but then Tesla oscillated electricity across 8000 miles through the whole Earth and gradually built up a repeating lightning that shot up over 100 feet from his mad scientist laboratory. To those ancient people, Tesla would have been a god. Many of us these days have learned, at rare times we can't easily control, to move small things with our minds, like this "psi wheel in a clear closed box 2" video http://youtube.com/watch?v=pKJGb4RNRB4 I recorded of myself in 2003 when I was more skilled at those kind of parapsychology experiments. It is the intuition of doing that many times back then, and still at rare times a little, which I combine with scientific and many other sources of information to form my understanding of the world overall, and based on that self-consistent model I explained in this thread a research path which I think will lead to low power warp drive. Science is the cure of superstition. Philosophy is the cure of religion. Research is how you merge them into a practical product.

Also, about the "warp grid" I proposed to surround and protect Earth from faster than light terrorism... That is only 1 of its abilities. If you think of putting force on the local light-cone as having a torque (like gear ratios) parameter that goes between local space and alignment parallel to a horizon, it can also be used to make very long-distance phone calls independent of direction and only logarithmicly (opposite of exponential, so the "hubble volume" would be small in that range) dependent on distance. Just give SETI the Earth's high-dimensional-wave microphone and they'll figure out what to do.

I have called this recursive tuning into patterns "gravity for patterns" (search for it) various other places I wrote on the Internet. "Gravity for patterns" is the property of physics which allows a connection to gradually form between brainwaves and that piece of aluminum foil I moved with my thoughts in the linked video.

Also, I propose the theory that Humans made "first contact" a long time ago, and continuously every since then, and due to translation difficulties all communications were misinterpreted as the hauntings of dead people and other superstitions. One space's "virtual particles" are another space's dimensions chaoticly spread like radio static, but if you build the right kind of radio, each laws of physics would be called a radio station, in this analogy. You know that noise in some cheap radios when you turn them on, kind of random and changing of waves until it stabilizes a fraction of a second later? In that context, the "big bang" would be nothing more than a view of something thats already there, not the result of any kind of force or power or action, as its rediculous to think turning on a radio creates the signal its receiving. It will change that signal a little since it is a physical force to run the radio, but now that science understands everything is made of waves this theory should come as no surprise. Is there really a difference between creating something and navigating through "nonexistence is the set of all self-consistent possibilities" to a place its already that way? If I tune my attention, through machines surrounding me in a sphere shape or whatever method, continuously to a different signal, it is no damage to these wars and hate we so much enjoy on Earth, but what happens to a radio station when people stop tuning in? Just an analogy to explain a much more abstract theory about "virtual particles" as waves instead of the unexplained "it comes out of nowhere because its small enough it doesn't violate heisenberg uncertainty" excuse. Its not really radios. Its a way to look at physics from many views at once. If you were to tune into the same high-dimensional-abstract-signal from a few angles at once, so you understand where some of the static comes from, would heisenberg uncertainty be so uncertain?

I'm simply providing a service of imagining things for those who lack the ability, things which would have to be researched in simultaneous combinations to measure and use. The simple fact that there are so many unknowns is a reason to explore, unless you believe in the religion of nothing exists except what militaries have measured and publish for us to read. I think we should do our own research in any areas that at least 1 assumption has been made.

There are many research paths, not just the examples I proposed, which a majority of people on Earth would prefer over a big military budget. Do you want to invest in learning and exploring or in war and control by the elite toward their small-minded goals? Its our tax dollars. What do we want to spend them on?


I think of things in kind of a chaotic order... I'll leave my further physics speculations to a place where they are on topic, except to say that you don't need the warp drives at all if this works out... Don't the parallel metal plates nearly touching eachother in the Casimir Effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect look a little like a directional radio? What would happen if you hooked some other radio components into their various physical properties (motion, electricity, rotation, relativistic mass, time dilation, superposition, etc) and researched what effect that has on the Casimir effect? We may have already created a very primitive and practically useless (except for learning from its tiny effect) multiverse radio and mistaken it for just a way to block "virtual particles" and get force from them on the metal plates.

What signal is the Casimir Effect tuning into? And wouldn't we get a better signal with a grid of such metal plates, connected through some of this new quantum technology our militaries have created using our tax dollars? This is a much cheaper research path.

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Seeds increase 100 fold

What kind of seeds are you talking about?

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I proposed cutting all Earth military budgets by half (which does not disturb the balance of power) and putting those trillions of dollars per year into research toward practical mass produced warp drive

While you do this, I will increase my military budget by 10 fold, crush the rest of the world and steal all their natural resources.  I think I am more greedy.

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I love stock markets overall because I'm greedy toward maximizing the productivity of Earth for everyone

You have a strange idea of what greed is.  I want everyone to be productive so I don't have to.

A true greedy person would say.

"I don't want to be a product of my environment, I want my environment to be a product of me."

Introducing constraints to the economy only serves to limit what can be economical.
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That's a very nice wall of text, you should consider becoming an architect.
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That's a very nice wall of text, you should consider becoming an architect.

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