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September 08, 2014, 06:34:43 AM
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Saw pythonista's post, "It's time to earn interest on Bitcoin holdings"  url https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774109.0
Thought some of you might want to know Chinese exchange markets' movements in this direction.

Holders like me have several choices to invest bitcoins now:
Huobi's BitVC (or YuBiBao in Chinese), OKCoins's BiShengBi, and ChinaBTC's JUA. All of them are from top exchange markets in China.
Personally I recommend ChinaBTC's JUA, at about 0.025% daily interest for current deposit, 1.3~1.4% monthly for fixed deposit (not available now).

URL http://save.jua.com/

In Chinese, JUA(聚阿) means collecting and saving treasures. Now it has more than 30k BTC savings in all.
You can click top corner flag to change the webpage language to English.

For other top exchange markets in China, there are also OKCoin's BiShengBi (Means more btc generated by your saved btc.) But currently it is not open to public.
And HuoBi's BitVC  at about 0.013% daily interest for current deposit.
 
URL https://www.bitvc.com/

PS I don't work for ChinaBTC/Huobi/OKCoin, but I managed to get some btc income everyday last two months without staring at candle sticks charts, or enrolling in a signature campaign and count posts.
Actually the interest rate is not always constant, for example last week BitVC's rate is between 0.0126 and 0.0176.

As a BTC believer, the rise and drop of BTC price is not a big deal for me, as long as my BTC is keep increasing.
I now have income from both JUA and BitVC every day, JUA being easier to use and with higher pay back.

BitVC and JUA also have fixed deposit, with higher interest. But they are only available occasionally, and sold out very fast. The last time of BitVC's fixed deposit (VC finance) the interest rate is 1.2% monthly for 60days, JUA 1.3% monthly for 30days.
On the website I saw many investers IP (partially masked) are from outside China, including Australia, UK, US, Spain, Canada and Thailand. Many invested dozens of bitcoins in BitVC (with 50 btc max limit) and hundreds in JUA.


These markets' movement actually resembles Ma Yun's Alibaba Yu'e Bao, which went viral last year and raised $90 billion in just ten months.


Just to share some opportunities in China. Smiley






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This thread have so many views and replies, much more than pythonista's original post. This is beyond what I expected. So I guess I should finally update it...

[Edit 1]
Why do these websites offer interest while Bitcoin is not inflationary currency?

This is my opinion:
Apart from reasons posted by others, I think another sound one is that if the companies are big and have enough money to burn, they might just want to do this to gain more attraction and users. This is like what many B2C, SNS and IM service providers did when they were in early stages. You might once asked yourself, why are they selling at such a low price, not even covering manufacturing cost?
Loyal users are the most valuable asset to any website/company. When Internet started, the number of clicks is what every website craved for. It is still true now. More loyal users means more trust, reputation, traffic, and eventually more money.

Bitcoin in China is new. But the competition here is fierce.

An early and strong start means huge advantage. Just plain old Matthew Effect.

Take Jua.com for example. The company that owns Jua.com has ChBTC.com (ChinaBTC Exchange),  BW.com (cloud mining) and 8R.com (P2P lending based on BTC mortgage) behind it. BTW, I think those domain names alone cost a fortune. JUA users are more likely to use these services over others just because of trust and convenience.  

Consider Youtube's counterpart in China Youku.com, Twitter' s counterpart weibo.com, and Amazon's counterpart JD.com. These are already very big brands in China for years, and they are still burning VC money and struggle to seize users and the market. I don't think currently there remains much opportunity for new starters to build anything like Youku / Weibo / JD in China and succeed. Admittedly it is still possible, but it's extremely unlikely to happen.

Yes, giving away BTC as interest is a loss of money in the short term. But in the long run, it is hard to say.
If Bitcoin turns out to be a business of decades or even hundreds, this move of offering interest is a brilliant strategy to boost user number and gain reputation, as long as the company behind it is not just scam. This is the homework you should do. It's might be much cheaper than buying TV / Website commercials, or hiring more sales / promoting staff. Meanwhile, users get maximum profit from the company's offers, because in this way there's no middle man.

Additionally, more coins deposited means less coins dumped into exchanges and shorting leverage, which will contribute positively to btc price. Believers and HODLers will surely benefit from this.

So personally I think this way of gaining new users by offering interest is both understandable and justifiable.



[Edit 2]
Many have pointed out that the interest is too high to be true. I don't think that's ridiculously high.
You get 0.025% daily * 365 = 9.125% yearly. That's about 11 BTC generates 1 BTC/year.
For comparison, in China the typical interest of Internet P2P borrowing/lending is 8%~18% yearly.
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September 08, 2014, 07:25:57 AM
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I did not know, that you can earn interest on bitcoins. ^smile^

So is this like a bank or a loan shark operation? How do they get the money to pay out my interest?

Sounds like very good return for your investment.

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September 08, 2014, 07:54:13 AM
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September 08, 2014, 09:19:03 AM
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You have right. This is only ponzi. You can lost all very fast. This site making only for earning money to owner.
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September 08, 2014, 09:32:24 AM
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right now only chinese exchanges offer interest?
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September 08, 2014, 02:55:45 PM
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Additional evidence to support the theory that some Chinese exchanges are engaged in fractional reserves.

protip: a bitcoin IOU is inferior to a bitcoin.

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September 08, 2014, 06:44:12 PM
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As many people say around here if you don't have your own private keys you don't have any bit coin. Bad business practices and outright scams make it tough to trust anyone other than yourself.

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September 09, 2014, 07:38:04 AM
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Good to know.
This is relatively easy money for us, I'll give it a try for 0.x btc.

OP should also notice/correct the "1.3~1.4% for fixed deposit" is monthly interest not daily. That 0.025% is daily though.

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September 09, 2014, 08:05:58 AM
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right now only chinese exchanges offer interest?
No,  some others in other countries offer as well.
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September 09, 2014, 08:13:48 AM
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All of the investments carry some level of risk, including bank deposit. I support such kind of investment earning BTC interests, unless you can control you risk and tolerate losing all your investment.

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September 09, 2014, 08:57:02 AM
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All of the investments carry some level of risk, including bank deposit. I support such kind of investment earning BTC interests, unless you can control you risk and tolerate losing all your investment.
Right, benefit always comes with risk. Totally riskless means no income at all.

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September 09, 2014, 10:00:20 AM
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right now only chinese exchanges offer interest?
No,  some others in other countries offer as well.

really thanks.

Where can i find a list?
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September 10, 2014, 04:57:48 AM
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Good to know.
This is relatively easy money for us, I'll give it a try for 0.x btc.

OP should also notice/correct the "1.3~1.4% for fixed deposit" is monthly interest not daily. That 0.025% is daily though.

Yes, you are right! 1.3~1.4% is for month interest.
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September 10, 2014, 05:01:41 AM
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Not worth the risk of having your coins vanish because someone is having technical difficulties. "We are having technical issues but are working around the clock to get it back online" = You have been goxxed and made some Chinese scammers rich. 

Scammed by Black Arrow? See the consumer complaint thread here -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681965.0
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September 10, 2014, 05:09:52 AM
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Who is going to risk all the Bitcoins he have, for the sake of 1% per month interest? The only established player offering interest on Bitcoin holdings is Vircurex, although their rates are not constant. I am having an account there, but I never hold any coins as Vircurex is not a safe holding place. It was hacked multiple times in the past.
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September 10, 2014, 05:23:06 AM
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Thanks for letting us know but I'll stick with my coins being under my control and not getting pulled in to elaborate scam.  Good luck not getting Gox reloaded for all your coins bud.  I'll be the fool who works and buys/holds his coins while you are praying your not getting backdoor'd by some shady exchange, offering deals that are more then likely to good to be true.
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September 10, 2014, 08:29:19 AM
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I thought the interest in BitVC was annual?
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September 10, 2014, 08:41:17 AM
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Not worth the risk of having your coins vanish because someone is having technical difficulties. "We are having technical issues but are working around the clock to get it back online" = You have been goxxed and made some Chinese scammers rich. 

so, until now, all the exchanges that offer interest can not be trusted?
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September 10, 2014, 09:02:47 AM
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I've tried earning 'interest' a couple of times. I've failed each time.
They say the best strategy for BTC is 'HODL',  and this should be taken literally as 'HOLD AND DON'T LET GO'.
Anything else is putting your BTC at risk and long before you have gained anything from the interest (as in, your original investment is back in your possession and you're still earning 'interest') your BTC will be gone.
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September 10, 2014, 12:50:44 PM
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I am going to try this along with holding and other methods like doing loans at BTCjam and so on. Also, at times as well as odd loans here too.
I love bitcoin and trade up from other coins at times into btc and add to my btc balance.
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