problem with multibit

[spiceminer15]

I sent 1BTC last night using multibit, it sent that fine with the transaction free -1.0001...

at the exact same time. literally. it sent another transaction for -0.25441361... I have no idea why it did this.

Status: 377 confirmations
Date: 9/8/2014 21:11
To: 1KiQS4dcSAMhQi8roBXs7sdEt6J6QFfScH
Debit: -1.00 BTC
To: 1R8iEGbocHrpq4WNYXTAMcBLCq8rMLB3G
Debit: -0.25441361 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0001 BTC
Net amount: -1.25451361 BTC
Transaction ID: d9f59af520936562ada8643c214df07985ddc3117724dfec8d5adb56af179fc0-000

[Newar]

Probably better luck here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=99.0

[spiceminer15]

Probably better luck here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=99.0

ah I didn't see the subforum

[allgoodthings1]

I sent 1BTC last night using multibit, it sent that fine with the transaction free -1.0001...

at the exact same time. literally. it sent another transaction for -0.25441361... I have no idea why it did this.

Status: 377 confirmations
Date: 9/8/2014 21:11
To: 1KiQS4dcSAMhQi8roBXs7sdEt6J6QFfScH
Debit: -1.00 BTC
To: 1R8iEGbocHrpq4WNYXTAMcBLCq8rMLB3G
Debit: -0.25441361 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0001 BTC
Net amount: -1.25451361 BTC
Transaction ID: d9f59af520936562ada8643c214df07985ddc3117724dfec8d5adb56af179fc0-000

I'm confused. I don't know how you can send two transactions "at the exact same time". I don't know how that's physically possible.  I know it's certainly not the right way to do it.

You should send one transaction and wait for the pop-up window to show you it's been seen by a couple or so peers.  Then click the OK button in that box and go to the Transactions tab.  There you should see the hexagon with the clear center, recognizing that the transaction is in your ledger.

THEN you go back to the Send tab and send another transaction.

I don't know where you're seeing the report lines you show here.  But the important thing is: Did the right payments get made to the parties you wanted?  If so, probably all is just fine.  If you're still uneasy about it, you might try resyncing your wallet.  That might clear things up wonderfully.

[spiceminer15]

yea I don't know how it happened really... someone got free BTC. I have no idea how that happened or who it went to...

[shorena]

its change.
your input was >1 btc but each input has to be spend entirely, thus multibit made an extra output for the rest (change). Check your addresses its one of yours.

[spiceminer15]

its change.
your input was >1 btc but each input has to be spend entirely, thus multibit made an extra output for the rest (change). Check your addresses its one of yours.

I don't understand... I made my transaction 1 BTC exactly.

[TookDk]

I do not know how multibit works.

However when bitcoin core makes an output, there will most of the time be an unspent output, which is a bitcoin address you are in control of but have never generated yourself.
Since bitcoin output has to consist of a number of input, and unless the series of input matches exactly the output, then will there be an output which goes back into your "wallet".

If Multibit work the same way then is 1R8iEGbocHrpq4WNYXTAMcBLCq8rMLB3G the unspent output.
Are you sure you are not in control of that addy?

In bitcoin core is it possible to issue the command "validateaddress" to check if you are in control of that addy.

Just my 2 satoshi

[spiceminer15]

I do not know how multibit works.

However when bitcoin core makes an output, there will most of the time be an unspent output, which is a bitcoin address you are in control of but have never generated yourself.
Since bitcoin output has to consist of a number of input, and unless the series of input matches exactly the output, then will there be an output which goes back into your "wallet".

If Multibit work the same way then is 1R8iEGbocHrpq4WNYXTAMcBLCq8rMLB3G the unspent output.
Are you sure you are not in control of that addy?

In bitcoin core is it possible to issue the command "validateaddress" to check if you are in control of that addy.

Just my 2 satoshi

ok I'll check it out. never had this behavior before when I sent transactions.

[shorena]

-snip-
I don't understand... I made my transaction 1 BTC exactly.

Yes, but bitcoins do not exist as satoshi or as bitcoins. They exist as inputs and unspend outputs. Every transaction has one or more inputs and one or more outputs. Every input has to be spend entirely. You can not spend half of your input. You received 1.25451361 BTC in the past and now you have to spend everything in a single TX. 1 BTC go to KiQS4dcSAMhQi8roBXs7sdEt6J6QFfScH, 0.0001 go to the miners that confirmed it and 0.25441361 BTC goes to 1R8iEGbocHrpq4WNYXTAMcBLCq8rMLB3G which is an address multibit made exactly for that reason.

I hope that helps.

I do not know how multibit works.

This is not specific to multibit. Its the way bitcoin works.

[spiceminer15]

I might have fucked myself because I deleted multibit and the multibit wallet. I have some NTFS file recovery software. running it now hopefully I can recover the wallet file

[shorena]

Did you delete all the subfolders? Because the priv. keys usually have an extra backup each.

 https://multibit.org/en/help/v0.5/help_fileDescriptions.html

[allgoodthings1]

Age-old adage of bitcoin: Never delete/trash/destroy a wallet.

[TookDk]

-snip-
I don't understand... I made my transaction 1 BTC exactly.

Yes, but bitcoins do not exist as satoshi or as bitcoins. They exist as inputs and unspend outputs. Every transaction has one or more inputs and one or more outputs. Every input has to be spend entirely. You can not spend half of your input. You received 1.25451361 BTC in the past and now you have to spend everything in a single TX. 1 BTC go to KiQS4dcSAMhQi8roBXs7sdEt6J6QFfScH, 0.0001 go to the miners that confirmed it and 0.25441361 BTC goes to 1R8iEGbocHrpq4WNYXTAMcBLCq8rMLB3G which is an address multibit made exactly for that reason.

I hope that helps.

I do not know how multibit works.

This is not specific to multibit. Its the way bitcoin works.

Agreed, but Mycilum (which I also use), they send the unspent output back to same address as the input, more easy to understand for the average user, since the block explore shows an ballance for your addy and with Mycilum the ballance acutally show your real ballance in the wallet.

Bitcoin core uses a "random" address instead for the unspent output.

[spiceminer15]

Did you delete all the subfolders? Because the priv. keys usually have an extra backup each.

 https://multibit.org/en/help/v0.5/help_fileDescriptions.html

I uninstalled multibit as well. I will try to recover it.

its my fault so I'm not mad about it

[TookDk]

Did you delete all the subfolders? Because the priv. keys usually have an extra backup each.

 https://multibit.org/en/help/v0.5/help_fileDescriptions.html

I uninstalled multibit as well. I will try to recover it.

its my fault so I'm not mad about it

0.25441361 is a cheap bitcoin lesson.
I (unfortunaly) has paid more for my early bitcoin lessons  

[shorena]

Did you delete all the subfolders? Because the priv. keys usually have an extra backup each.

 https://multibit.org/en/help/v0.5/help_fileDescriptions.html

I uninstalled multibit as well. I will try to recover it.

its my fault so I'm not mad about it

AFAIK an uninstall does not remove the wallet files. E.g. for most windows versions they are in

Code:

%APPDATA%\MultiBit

just hit win+r enter the above and hit ok. If a folder opens you might be fine.

[spiceminer15]

Did you delete all the subfolders? Because the priv. keys usually have an extra backup each.

 https://multibit.org/en/help/v0.5/help_fileDescriptions.html

I uninstalled multibit as well. I will try to recover it.

its my fault so I'm not mad about it

AFAIK an uninstall does not remove the wallet files. E.g. for most windows versions they are in

Code:

%APPDATA%\MultiBit

just hit win+r enter the above and hit ok. If a folder opens you might be fine.

im pretty sure I had the wallet on my desktop, but I will check that folder right now

[spiceminer15]

Did you delete all the subfolders? Because the priv. keys usually have an extra backup each.

 https://multibit.org/en/help/v0.5/help_fileDescriptions.html

I uninstalled multibit as well. I will try to recover it.

its my fault so I'm not mad about it

AFAIK an uninstall does not remove the wallet files. E.g. for most windows versions they are in

Code:

%APPDATA%\MultiBit

just hit win+r enter the above and hit ok. If a folder opens you might be fine.

im pretty sure I had the wallet on my desktop, but I will check that folder right now

ahaha thanks man I found it. it was in appdata\roaming\multibit

post your BTC addy i'll send ya 20 bucks

[spiceminer15]

yea I got the BTC back into a different wallet that I want to keep.

thanks for the help. lesson learned.