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September 11, 2014, 10:54:55 PM |
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Listen one more time, who tell it to journalist.
I don't know who. Is it someone important?
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247crypto (OP)
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September 11, 2014, 10:58:32 PM |
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Show me where that is in Ukrainian law, or show me where Poroshenko said that.
OK. That is easy. First, what is "Ethnic cleansing" under Your view?
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247crypto (OP)
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September 11, 2014, 11:00:06 PM |
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Listen one more time, who tell it to journalist.
I don't know who. Is it someone important? Sure, important. Ukrainian military declared, hat their mission is pushing out Russians civilians (citizens of Ukraine) or kill them. What more You will?
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Rassah
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September 11, 2014, 11:20:06 PM |
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Listen one more time, who tell it to journalist.
I don't know who. Is it someone important? Sure, important. Ukrainian military declared, hat their mission is pushing out Russians civilians (citizens of Ukraine) or kill them. What more You will? Ukrainian military? Is this in their official document somewhere? Did Poroshenko approve this? Did the parliament vote on this? Is that what they are doing while keeping eastern Ukraine and eastern Ukrainians IN Ukraine by defending them from Russian invaders and separatists? Is Ethnic cleansing like what Russia did in Georgia? Or how Russia is sending Tatars out of Crimea now?
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September 11, 2014, 11:37:22 PM Last edit: September 11, 2014, 11:53:40 PM by 247crypto |
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Yes, that is published in United Kingdom, and if is there something wrong, and You claim it, You becomes rich.
Oh, i see You have troubles in definition of "Ethnic cleansing", "pushing out from land" and "killing civilians for ethnic reason".
How it in English this Maidan slogan "Mocкaлiв нa нoжи!"? "Kill all who is with Russian origin!" or You give more exotic translation?
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Rassah
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September 11, 2014, 11:56:27 PM |
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Yes, that is published in United Kingdom, and if is there something wrong, and You claim it, You becomes rich.
Oh, i see You have troubles in definition of "Ethnic cleansing", "pushing out from land" and "killing civilians for ethnic reason".
How it in English this Maidan slogan "Mocкaлiв нa нoжи!"? "Kill all who is with Russian origin!" or You give more exotic translation?
I don't know how. Is it in the Ukrainian law, the Ukrainian military handbook, or stated by Poroshenko? If not, why are you bringing it up?
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September 12, 2014, 12:43:55 AM |
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I don't know who those guys are. You are bringing them up. Maybe you should explain who they are, and why they are important, or what they have to do with Ukrainian government and Ukrainian army. Otherwise it's just as easy to find a bunch of random videos of Russians and Russian neo-nazis chanting anti-Ukraine slogans, but all that will demonstrate is that there are crazy people in the world. Want me to show you Americans in military uniforms proclaiming death to American government? Easy enough to find too I'm sure. As for that minister, of course Putin is huylo. Even Moscow police know he is huylo.
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September 12, 2014, 01:29:38 AM |
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or what they have to do with Ukrainian government and Ukrainian army
Oh, You have no idea about face of Yatsenuk and no connection of National Guard with ethnic hate slogans against Russian citizens of Ukraine to Ukrainian state. Great. I still waiting on Your definition of 'Ethnic Cleansing".
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September 12, 2014, 02:32:49 AM |
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I still waiting on Your definition of 'Ethnic Cleansing".
"Ethnic Cleansing" - forcibly removing a specific ethnicity from a country. Such as Russia removing Tatars from Crimea, or massacring Georgians in Abkhazia (or, rather, by "volunteers" from Russia).
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247crypto (OP)
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September 12, 2014, 09:17:35 AM Last edit: September 12, 2014, 10:58:27 AM by 247crypto |
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I still waiting on Your definition of 'Ethnic Cleansing".
1. "Ethnic Cleansing" - forcibly removing a specific ethnicity from a country. 2. Such as Russia removing Tatars from Crimea, 3. or massacring Georgians in Abkhazia (or, rather, by "volunteers" from Russia). 1. The creation of an ethnically homogenous geographic area through the elimination of unwanted ethnic groups by deportation, forcible displacement, or genocide. Ethnic cleansing also has involved attempts to remove physical vestiges of the targeted group in the territory through the destruction and desecration of monuments, cemeteries, and houses of worship. Although some critics of the term have claimed that ethnic cleansing is simply a form of genocide, defenders of the usage have noted that, whereas the murder of an ethnic, racial, or religious group is the primary intention of a genocidal policy, the chief goal of ethnic cleansing is the establishment of homogenous lands, which may be achieved by any of a number of methods including genocide. Who use artillery, self propelled missiles and aviation to bomb civil targets, cities and homes in Donbass? http://rutube.ru/video/56a794638c2de64684c7b595582f71cf/http://rutube.ru/video/person/626835/ - watch, i see, that in US "NEWS TV" are no videos about. 2. Russia? Soviet Union is not Russia. In Crimea was a Soviet Jew Republic project, paid by American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, and the rule part in USSR in that Years belonged to Jew communists of mr. Juhashvili. Russians were massacred by this government heavily and as consequence communist party of USSR have lost the position of singular font of representative power in Russian Federation. 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Abkhazia_(1992%E2%80%9393) In Your definition of Ethnic cleansing "Abkhasians" are "Georgians" and this conflict is "Georgians against Georgians", and no one was replaced from the territory of former Soviet republic of Georgia.Who is pushed out from Donbass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uRmmTQ4rlQ City of Mariupol 1:00 "Go out from here, right to Russia" and so on.
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September 12, 2014, 10:43:27 AM |
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OP I am with you. Putin not dickhead. He is currently the best world leader, being experienced in KGB.(yes he was a low-rank KGB officer serving KGB for 16 years!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB#mediaviewer/File:Vladimir_Putin_in_KGB_uniform.jpgAlso he was director of FSB for about one year. As for the war in eastern Ukraine, it is quite possible that there are some far-right extremists in the russian side, BUT they are much less compared to the far-rights of Ukraine. There are even some far-rights in the porosenko government. http://defendinghistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/march_111015_2-2.jpgAs you can see, the fascists are endorsed by thegovernment, while the Russian separatists are left alone, fighting an organized army. They are not fighting to support the Russian interests as the western media says. They want their freedom, and they feel that Russia is their motherland. They do not differ compared the the Scottish people. They both want liberty, but UK is a democratic country, where Ukraine under Porosenko with the far-rights isn't.
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September 12, 2014, 12:51:03 PM |
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I especially like the quote of JFK and the subsequent passage: We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day.
It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations… Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.4 ... Like JFK, you have a military background, so you are bound by a sense of duty to protect and serve the people of Russia. It appears that like him you recognized the madness of nuclear war and have turned towards peace. The Founding Fathers and JFK are among the few American leaders that command respect.
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“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.” “We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.” “It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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September 13, 2014, 12:27:06 AM |
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As for the war in eastern Ukraine, it is quite possible that there are some far-right extremists in the russian side, BUT they are much less compared to the far-rights of Ukraine.
Sorry to disappoint you, but in Russia "there are now an estimated 50,000 to 70,000 neo-Nazis, half of the world's total." Ukraine would have to have the entire second half of the world's total neo-Nazis just to have as many of them as Russia does. And "Far-right wing ultranationalist groups, some of which were involved in open clashes with security forces during the EuroMaidan protests, are not represented in the Rada." In fact, the far-right party got less than 1% of the vote nationally, and Ukraine had the lowest vote for far right party of any recent European election, including UK. Poroshenko is a center-left businessman, not a far right nationalist. Note that the only obvious neo-Nazi on this forum, 247crypto, is Russian. I especially like the quote of JFK and the subsequent passage:
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The Founding Fathers and JFK are among the few American leaders that command respect.
It is PAINFULLY ironic that you guys don't see how JFK's speech applies to the Russian government just as much as the US one. Especially the "Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised," considering all the arrests and assassinations of journalists in Russia.
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September 13, 2014, 01:45:21 AM |
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Note that the only obvious neo-Nazi on this forum, 247crypto, is Russian.
Oh, still, no idea, who are this guys with ethnic hate slogans? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NO_shnuiVU How it be translated in English "Укpaїнa пoнaд yce!" ?![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fic.pics.livejournal.com%2Frychkoff%2F29513244%2F662254%2F662254_900.jpg&t=665&c=QDxpWywa-qQYzA)
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September 13, 2014, 02:52:55 AM |
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Note that the only obvious neo-Nazi on this forum, 247crypto, is Russian.
Oh, still, no idea, who are this guys with ethnic hate slogans? You definitely know your neo-Nazis trivia! Must have spent years learning all about Nazism.
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September 13, 2014, 03:33:18 AM |
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September 13, 2014, 06:00:42 AM |
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Sorry to disappoint you, but in Russia "there are now an estimated 50,000 to 70,000 neo-Nazis, half of the world's total."
It is true that Russia is home to tens of thousands of neo-Nazis. But this problem is prevailing there since the breakup of the USSR, which occurred in 1991. But the government is doing all that it can, to reduce these numbers. The important thing to remember here is that the neo-Nazis in Russia are not supported by the Russian government, unlike those in Ukraine, who are even part of the Ukrainian government.
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September 13, 2014, 12:44:16 PM |
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