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September 13, 2014, 01:01:12 PM
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Most of us define ourselves as left or right or somewhere in-between. Some people start out as one thing and eventually become the other. Many things can influence our political identity such as our parents, our education and our life experiences.

In my case my mother is an conservative and my father a liberal. I took after my father and my sister took after our mother. I was raised Catholic and became an Atheist. My sister remains a Catholic. Needless to say there are some pretty interesting and heated discussions that take place when we are all together.

My education played a part as well. I became a liberal when I was quite young but remained a believer until I was in college. I feel higher education freed me from the chains of religion and I consider my atheism as part of my political identity as many theists consider their religion as part of their political being.

My life experiences have taught me that conservative politics and religion [especially when they are mixed] are harmful to humanity in general and deadly in cases such as religious wars. For me at least liberalism offers a much more humane and decent world than conservatism offers. Others of course have different views. What are yours on the subject? What was the largest influence on your political/religious views? Care to discuss it?
I'll answer this question in two parts - the religious and the political - but I think the two will be drawn together.


First, political. I grew up in a liberal home, but in a very conservative town and area.  I was exposed to both sides from a young age, and even as early as High School, I made my own choices as to where I would stand on issues.  My father rarely discussed politics. He voted in every election, but I don't ever recall him telling me for whom he voted. My mother was a different story - she was as liberal as the day is long, and a devoted Democrat. And it would be foolish to try and say that she didn't have an influence on me. I had a history teacher in High School who was as conservative as my mother was liberal. And we had some wonderful  - and even occasionally heated - discussions. I had him for American History 1 in my Freshman year, and then I actually sought out his electives over the next couple of years, because despite our differences, I had a great deal of respect for him, and his teaching method. I learned a lot in his classes, and I also learned other perspectives, and he too influenced me. My first major election was the 1980 Presidential election, between Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. I backed Carter. I didn't like Reagan, and more importantly, I didn't trust Reagan. I wasn't crazy about the progress Carter made (or didn't make), but I felt he got something of a raw deal, and respected him. My second major election was the 1982 gubernatorial election between Tom Kean and Jim Florio. Much to my mother's chagrin, I backed Kean, and still to this day believe that he was our best governor in my lifetime. So, even back then, in my early twenties, I was independent and not absolutely tied to one party. And that continued, as I grew older. My mother was 100% anti-gun. I never was. I earned an expert rating in the service with a pistol (I qualified with the rifle, but was never close to as good or as natural as I was with the pistol), and my enjoyment of shooting continued from there. At one point I competed on an amateur level, and like most serious competitors, I loaded my own ammunition. Also in my 20's, I discovered a talk show host in Philadelphia named Irv Homer. Irv was libertarian, and even (before I knew who he was) had run for Vice President of the United States on an independent ticket. I listened to that station - WWBD - until suddenly one day, the talk show hosts were canned and they switched to a hip hop music format. The three major daytime hosts were a staunch conservative on morning drive, a staunch liberal mid day and then Irv in the afternoon. It was a good balance, and gave me exposure to various viewpoints. I went libertarian myself for a number of years - even joined the party - and still hold to many of the ideals from those days, but two things drove me away. First there was the realization that my ideology, as good as it really was, really only worked in a world in which there was no such thing as greed, either for power or wealth. The second was in recent years how the party started to shift to the right and embrace right wing extremism instead of classic liberalism. I make no bones about it - I am definitely to the left of center. But I am not extreme in that, and am a genuine moderate who leans left, and a genuine free thinking independent. The only campaign I ever worked for was actually a Republican who ran for governor (he lost). I'm no partisan.

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September 13, 2014, 01:02:03 PM
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IMO communicating your belief of god is kinda pointless because nothing has ever been proven objectively.  Therefor everything thats happened to you that is relative to god is subjective so organized religion is illogical.
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September 13, 2014, 01:03:41 PM
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“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

Churchill     Wink
But today Churchill would be considered a liberal.
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September 13, 2014, 01:13:06 PM
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Religion - I was baptized Episcopal, but raised Presbyterian.  At one point in my youth, I was determined to become a Presbyterian minister. The thing is, the more I studied, the more questions I began to ask, and having the vast majority of those questions answered with some variation of "because the Bible says so" or "you have to have faith", I was basically driven from organized religion.  One fundamental truth I came to on my own is what I state in my signature line - that the value of your faith is really shown by the kind of person you are.  One day, about 10 years ago, I took a trip to the beach with my sister, a friend of hers, and their children (separate, not together). Both of them were devout Christians, and a conversation came up - my sister was always trying to save my soul (even though I'm actually a much nicer person than she is). During the conversation, her friend asked me to put what I believe into words. I explained that basic principle that I do believe there's a God, but none of us can truly understand the nature of God - it's way above us. But I did believe that there was only one actual God, and that all around the world, when people prayed, no matter what they believe as the nature of God, only one set of "ears" received those prayers. I also described that philosophy from my signature. My sister looks at me and says "Oh my god, you sound like a Unitarian". I'd never heard of Unitarian-Universalism, but being recently divorced and alone, and looking to expand my community interaction, I checked it out. I went to the national web site, and read all about them - and was surprised that yes, they DID embrace the same philosophy that I had evolved to. Essentially, I remain agnostic on some level - not because I am unsure of the existence of a God, but because I never stop question.

And that's what draws the two -politics and religion - together for me. That basic agnosticism - always questioning - applies to both my political and religious lives.

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September 14, 2014, 12:56:16 PM
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Personal suffering + reason + time = universal compassion.

The formula for my ideological formation. Now have some modern scientific wisdom, it's free:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7vXX33C6Mg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9wM-p8wTq4

If a slave can choose his owner, does that make him free? That has always been the question to ponder for me, when it comes to capitalism.

The only difference between capitalism and the other two major exploitative modes of production is that the labourer has a choice over their master and means of subsistence. Slavery, feudalism and capitalism are fundamentally the same in that their core relation is the same: in all three forms of the exploitative trinity there is a class of workers and a class of appropriators. Posts like this will inevitably be met with vulgar moralistic arguments by capitalist apologists, claiming that capitalism is the best humanity can manage and that we should thus stop complaining, as if we are the pessimistic ones. The ambition of socialism lies in its assessment that humans can do better than class society. Moralism and pessimism do not come into it, it is rather an assessment born out of a ruthless structural analysis of how class systems work.


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September 19, 2014, 05:44:02 PM
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Came outta High School looking for something different. Had always been one who didnt wanna dominate, or be dominated. Joined the Libertarian Party. Convinced parents to join as well. I hadn't read Ayn Rand until some 10 years later, and then still later dabbled in Von Mises. Still not quite satisfied with him. But better than most. Then Hayekian who no longer posts, kinda re-introduced me to the Austrians. Rothbard/Hoppe in particular were pretty close to the way I feel.



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