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April 28, 2012, 03:29:33 PM
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Hi,

Some time ago, I've created a site called blockorigin, to get a view on the pools that are mining blocks. 
The site has information about the last 2 weeks of blocks: every block is labeled with the pool that generated the block.
I've also created a ranking of pools, and a nice pie chart so you can visualize the pools.

I've never created some kind of official announcement of this project, so here it is.

The website is at http://blockorigin.pfoe.be


I'd like to invite everybody to have a look, and please, if you know of any pools that are not visible on this website, inform me so I can add that pool.  I'm currently still at 19% of unknown blocks, and would like to be as complete as possible.

Should any other features be interesting too, feel free to comment
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April 28, 2012, 03:38:50 PM
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Nice work man Smiley
Been enjoying it for a while Cheesy

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April 28, 2012, 03:40:55 PM
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Hey this is really cool!, *golfclap*
Thankyou goodsir!

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April 28, 2012, 03:48:39 PM
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Nice job, very useful site. Thank you for your work.

If I may make one small suggestion, its to add percentages to the pie chart.

It would also be very interesting to see historical data and their trends, so you could see pools becoming more or less popular. So rather than a pie chart, you could show a line graph with one line per pool and show that pools % over time. Id love to see that.

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April 28, 2012, 04:36:08 PM
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If I may make one small suggestion, its to add percentages to the pie chart.
I've changed graph engine.  Is this better?

It would also be very interesting to see historical data and their trends, so you could see pools becoming more or less popular. So rather than a pie chart, you could show a line graph with one line per pool and show that pools % over time. Id love to see that.
That does seem to be very interesting to have.  I'll look into it
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April 28, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
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It is nice to see Deepbit <30%.  Maybe someday DB will stabilize at ~25% and the top 3 combined will be <50%.
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April 28, 2012, 05:08:02 PM
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If I may make one small suggestion, its to add percentages to the pie chart.
I've changed graph engine.  Is this better?
I think so and Ozcoin being in green matches our site theme  Grin
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April 29, 2012, 07:42:03 PM
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Pool hoppers rejoice!

Edit: Is there a delay on reporting?  MtRed found a new block 8 minutes ago but I haven't seen anything show up on BlockList yet.

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April 29, 2012, 09:01:42 PM
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It's just a collection of website scrapers it seems, nothing that pool hoppers didn't have a year ago too... nice work nevertheless but of limited usability (and cheating pool operators won't be pointed out by this).

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April 29, 2012, 10:19:21 PM
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It's just a collection of website scrapers it seems, nothing that pool hoppers didn't have a year ago too... nice work nevertheless but of limited usability (and cheating pool operators won't be pointed out by this).

It's limited usability for someone looking to hop with it.  But it does give "accurate" accounting of which pool mined which block.  Blockchain.info is normally pretty accurate, but it does occasionally misreport who mined a block.  Back when we had the 1tx mystery miner, it was completely skewing the results because they would relay their blocks through other pools (mostly Eligius, but sometimes Deepbit/Slush/BTC Guild), skewing the stats for those pools.

Obviously there's always a chance of a pool claiming blocks that they didn't mine, though that shouldn't occur too frequently (why would a pool claim blocks somebody else mined?).

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April 29, 2012, 10:57:47 PM
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Edit: Is there a delay on reporting?  MtRed found a new block 8 minutes ago but I haven't seen anything show up on BlockList yet.

Yes.  I can't really scrape every website after a block is found - pool operators would get angry with me Smiley
Besides, pools like deepbit delay their stats....
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April 29, 2012, 10:59:06 PM
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It's just a collection of website scrapers it seems, nothing that pool hoppers didn't have a year ago too... nice work nevertheless but of limited usability (and cheating pool operators won't be pointed out by this).

Actually, I've found it to shown some insight into "cheating" pool operators.  Look at ecki, they find a block from time to time, but their data is never correct - every time another pool found the same block - pools I know that are not incorrect...
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April 29, 2012, 11:28:38 PM
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It's just a collection of website scrapers it seems, nothing that pool hoppers didn't have a year ago too... nice work nevertheless but of limited usability (and cheating pool operators won't be pointed out by this).

Actually, I've found it to shown some insight into "cheating" pool operators.  Look at ecki, they find a block from time to time, but their data is never correct - every time another pool found the same block - pools I know that are not incorrect...
How superbly interesting. Great site btw.

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April 30, 2012, 03:20:45 PM
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What I would like to see is some standardized method for pools to mark origination IN the block.  The only disadvantage would be that gives hoppers accurate information to hop with but honestly prop pools should just die.  Slush is finally given up on the broken score method and going to DGM.  Other than Deepbit that leaves what 1 or 2 pools > 100 GH/s still using prop.

A method of strongly signing blocks would make accurate stats simple and cheatproof.  In time I expect all prop pools to die off.

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April 30, 2012, 07:05:25 PM
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What I would like to see is some standardized method for pools to mark origination IN the block.  The only disadvantage would be that gives hoppers accurate information to hop with but honestly prop pools should just die.  Slush is finally given up on the broken score method and going to DGM.  Other than Deepbit that leaves what 1 or 2 pools > 100 GH/s still using prop.

Note that many pools already mark the blocks.  This is not done with a digital signature - anyone can mine a block and put in such a marker from another pool, but nevertheless, many blocks are already traceable this way.

Currently blockorigin doesn't use this method, but I'm considering adding this in the future.

Pools known to mark their blocks are: eligius, triplemining, ozcoin, slush, BTC Guild, Eclipse MC, BitLC, nmcbit, bitclockers and mkalinin
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April 30, 2012, 08:35:56 PM
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Pools known to mark their blocks are: eligius, triplemining, ozcoin, slush, BTC Guild, Eclipse MC, BitLC, nmcbit, bitclockers and mkalinin
p2pool also marks their blocks with a special transaction.

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July 25, 2012, 11:41:14 AM
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We're currently down to about 15% of blocks unidentified.   

Who can help figuring out who found blocks such as blocks 190666, 190645, 190618 or 190617? Any assistance is greatly apreciated
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August 07, 2012, 03:02:29 PM
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192710 - hhtt (http://hhtt.1209k.com/)


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August 08, 2012, 11:59:23 AM
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192710 - hhtt (http://hhtt.1209k.com/)

Thanks, added pool to the website.
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September 05, 2012, 12:14:43 PM
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Hi Kinlo,

It's just a collection of website scrapers it seems, nothing that pool hoppers didn't have a year ago too... nice work nevertheless but of limited usability (and cheating pool operators won't be pointed out by this).

Actually, I've found it to shown some insight into "cheating" pool operators.  Look at ecki, they find a block from time to time, but their data is never correct - every time another pool found the same block - pools I know that are not incorrect...
Could you tell me please in a bit more details what "cheating" is ongoing in our pool?
(I am the operator of https://miner.ecki.net:444)

Do you consider in your chart that we are operating different pool-servers in Europe and Asia?
I would like to provide the IP addresses to you or whatever you need so that our pool is shown up correct in your static chart.

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