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September 16, 2014, 12:15:01 PM
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In less than 48 hours time, everything will be clear. If Scotland secedes, then that will be the end of the United Kingdom. Other constituent federal subjects, such as Ulster, Wales and the Isle of Man will also secede. Most probably Ulster will reunite with the Republic of Ireland as well. Margaret Thatcher will be turning in her grave right now....  Grin
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September 16, 2014, 12:20:12 PM
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England will be better off without Scotland, because most Scottish people are very left-wing and socialist. Next year, England will get the chance to vote themselves out of the EU. Therefore England could become a very conservative country with low tax, free markets, and less regulations. England has a massive debt problem, but with the bank of england researching bitcoin it wont be long before the BOE Governor starts backing up the truck buying bitcoins.
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September 16, 2014, 12:28:18 PM
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England will be better off without Scotland, because most Scottish people are very left-wing and socialist.

It is true that a lot of Scots support the Labor party. But according to the last elections, the SNP received some 45% of the votes there. SNP is not as left-wing as the Labor Party, at least in policies such as immigration. There is a strong nationalist faction within the SNP, which will neutralize any ultra-left sector within that party.
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September 16, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
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How pissed would the Irish be if the Scots were just allowed to vote to secede?

Great point and something tells me they would be pretty pissed indeed.  I don't think this is going to happen but It is always good to see the people having the discussion and getting views of others.  I'm not familiar with the economy of Scotland and how they would fare being independent.  But if the people decide they want to be independent, who am I or anyone else to say they can't be?  That is just what my instincts tell me is right. 
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September 16, 2014, 05:51:58 PM
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Well, what is going on with England and Scotland is being done legally.  Both parties are, apparently, willing to recognize the voting outcome.

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September 17, 2014, 02:51:41 AM
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In less than 48 hours time, everything will be clear. If Scotland secedes, then that will be the end of the United Kingdom. Other constituent federal subjects, such as Ulster, Wales and the Isle of Man will also secede. Most probably Ulster will reunite with the Republic of Ireland as well. Margaret Thatcher will be turning in her grave right now....  Grin
I don't think Scotland succeeding will cause the other parts of the UK to succeed. The UK has been around for a very long time and does provide some level of stability and protection to each of it's "provinces"

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September 17, 2014, 05:13:22 AM
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I don't think Scotland succeeding will cause the other parts of the UK to succeed. The UK has been around for a very long time and does provide some level of stability and protection to each of it's "provinces"

If Scotland secedes and the economy there improves as a result of it, then there is a valid reason for the other provinces to secede as well. Even now many of the provinces (Northern Ireland, Wales.etc) are complaining that they receive little or no attention from the rulers in London. Wales might stay with the UK, as the separatist movement is weak, but in Northern Ireland, it is very vocal.
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September 17, 2014, 05:51:02 AM
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A lot of people are voting Yes because of the apparent disparity between
 the will of the people and the resultant government.
 Its not a matter of not feeling British

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September 17, 2014, 09:12:59 AM
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The Brits are nice people, they will allow to go free if that's what they want, and this would a fantastic example for all the peoples who are not free all over the planet.

We need an independent Catalonia. Hong Kong, Tibet and East Turkestan should leave China. The Tatars and the Kurds deserve to get their own country. The Ingush people should also be free and if California wants to start its own republic, let it be!

Why does the world needs an independent Scotland that bad?
One reason....
Also , Scotland can get 100 times independent Tibet will never see the chance.

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September 17, 2014, 10:58:00 AM
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The Brits are nice people, they will allow to go free if that's what they want, and this would a fantastic example for all the peoples who are not free all over the planet.

We need an independent Catalonia. Hong Kong, Tibet and East Turkestan should leave China. The Tatars and the Kurds deserve to get their own country. The Ingush people should also be free and if California wants to start its own republic, let it be!

Why does the world needs an independent Scotland that bad?
One reason....
Also , Scotland can get 100 times independent Tibet will never see the chance.


I know that. The situation in Tibet is terrible. Still, it would be great news to all Tibetans to hear about an independent Scotland. It should show them that nothing is set in stone, and they all remember that Tibet was a free country half a century ago. China is going well, with strong economic growth, but things could change fast if this doesn't last.

We just need to look at the Middle East or the area which was known as Libya to see that worsening living conditions are leading to dramatic political changes.
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September 17, 2014, 11:08:04 AM
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The Brits are nice people, they will allow to go free if that's what they want, and this would a fantastic example for all the peoples who are not free all over the planet.

We need an independent Catalonia. Hong Kong, Tibet and East Turkestan should leave China. The Tatars and the Kurds deserve to get their own country. The Ingush people should also be free and if California wants to start its own republic, let it be!

Why does the world needs an independent Scotland that bad?
One reason....
Also , Scotland can get 100 times independent Tibet will never see the chance.


I know that. The situation in Tibet is terrible. Still, it would be great news to all Tibetans to hear about an independent Scotland. It should show them that nothing is set in stone, and they all remember that Tibet was a free country half a century ago. China is going well, with strong economic growth, but things could change fast if this doesn't last.

We just need to look at the Middle East or the area which was known as Libya to see that worsening living conditions are leading to dramatic political changes.


First thing first:
Scots were allowed to have the referendum.
Any tibetan demanding this will be shot.

So , the example is useless.

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September 17, 2014, 12:13:58 PM
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Most states wanting independence I don't understand. The Scots should be independent, they are losing money on the British politics.

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September 17, 2014, 02:23:24 PM
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Most states wanting independence I don't understand. The Scots should be independent, they are losing money on the British politics.

At its basic form, the money comes from the people. The Scottish people have the right to use English common law. They have the right to go to Queen's Bench where they can virtually eliminate all direct taxes for themselves. But they don't know how. Get into the below links to find out how some people in England are learning how, and using it. The Scots can do the same.

http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=127469&cmd=tc

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September 17, 2014, 04:35:50 PM
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Most states wanting independence I don't understand. The Scots should be independent, they are losing money on the British politics.

There is no guarantee that the money will go back to the Scots once they become independent. Right now the British companies are operating almost all the North Sea oil fields. And the maritime border between England and Scotland is not well defined. Do you think that UK will give up all those oil fields to the Scots without a fight?
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September 17, 2014, 09:57:58 PM
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The Brits are nice people, they will allow to go free if that's what they want, and this would a fantastic example for all the peoples who are not free all over the planet.

We need an independent Catalonia. Hong Kong, Tibet and East Turkestan should leave China. The Tatars and the Kurds deserve to get their own country. The Ingush people should also be free and if California wants to start its own republic, let it be!

Why does the world needs an independent Scotland that bad?
One reason....
Also , Scotland can get 100 times independent Tibet will never see the chance.


I know that. The situation in Tibet is terrible. Still, it would be great news to all Tibetans to hear about an independent Scotland. It should show them that nothing is set in stone, and they all remember that Tibet was a free country half a century ago. China is going well, with strong economic growth, but things could change fast if this doesn't last.

We just need to look at the Middle East or the area which was known as Libya to see that worsening living conditions are leading to dramatic political changes.


First thing first:
Scots were allowed to have the referendum.
Any tibetan demanding this will be shot.

So , the example is useless.


It's only one example, I gave other examples. In Senegal too, the part of the country South of Gambia is looking for independence. Several countries will come out of what was Somalia, and Indonesia could break, too. There are plenty of examples.
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September 17, 2014, 10:10:13 PM
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Most states wanting independence I don't understand. The Scots should be independent, they are losing money on the British politics.

There is no guarantee that the money will go back to the Scots once they become independent. Right now the British companies are operating almost all the North Sea oil fields. And the maritime border between England and Scotland is not well defined. Do you think that UK will give up all those oil fields to the Scots without a fight?

I believe so yeah.

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September 18, 2014, 10:49:01 AM
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Most states wanting independence I don't understand. The Scots should be independent, they are losing money on the British politics.

There is no guarantee that the money will go back to the Scots once they become independent. Right now the British companies are operating almost all the North Sea oil fields. And the maritime border between England and Scotland is not well defined. Do you think that UK will give up all those oil fields to the Scots without a fight?

I believe so yeah.

Many talk about the oil, but it's only a small part of the overall equation. Part of British debt will have to be allocated to Scotland, and most businesses have customers in England and in Scotland, it will a huge task to sort out all the financial details, but I believe it's worth it.

The whole world is watching, and hundreds of millions are hoping for an independent Scotland.
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September 20, 2014, 05:44:57 AM
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Most states wanting independence I don't understand. The Scots should be independent, they are losing money on the British politics.

There is no guarantee that the money will go back to the Scots once they become independent. Right now the British companies are operating almost all the North Sea oil fields. And the maritime border between England and Scotland is not well defined. Do you think that UK will give up all those oil fields to the Scots without a fight?

I believe so yeah.

Many talk about the oil, but it's only a small part of the overall equation. Part of British debt will have to be allocated to Scotland, and most businesses have customers in England and in Scotland, it will a huge task to sort out all the financial details, but I believe it's worth it.

The whole world is watching, and hundreds of millions are hoping for an independent Scotland.

I think the oil reserves would have tipped the scale significantly in Scotland's favor. Scotland would almost certainly be able to net export oil from the oil reserves located off of their coast. As a result any debt assumed from the UK would have a lower then otherwise burden on taxpayers because of the oil reserves.

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September 20, 2014, 06:23:34 AM
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Almost 45% of the Scottish voters have held their ground, kept their wits and did not collapse under the immense pressure of 'Project Fear' and the one-sided media


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