MagicalTux & DefaultTrust [ Why ?]

[redsn0w]

News , Will theymos update  the defaultTrust list ? we need more active/trusted users and not only a scammer like ( MagicalTux and other non-active users).

I hope to receive a response from a theymos , cheers.

[HELP.org]

I personally still use DefaultTrust, because I trust theymos (if you're using this forum at all, you have some trust in him at a minimum), but I check all of a user's trust ratings and the people who created them before making a deal anyway, so I only really use my trust list for a first impression (though I haven't yet disagreed with it).

Yes, people used to trust MagicalTux too even though it was obvious there were major problems for a very long time well before the issues with the exchange were obvious.  It is unclear why some people would trust others just because they are involved in Bitcoin while claiming the legacy financial system is all corrupt.  Nobody with an ounce of common sense would trust theymos after they saw all the stuff that goes on here such as promoting fake banks where all the depositors lost or running ads for mining equipment everybody knew would not be delivered.  But, hey, a lot of people trusted Bernie Madoff too.

[MultipliedCombo]

News , Will theymos update  the defaultTrust list ? we need more active/trusted users and not only a scammer like ( MagicalTux and other non-active users).

I hope to receive a response from a theymos , cheers.

Theymos does update the DefaultTrust list, but not a whole lot. Like, not a whole lot. So you wouldn't really expect much of a change any time soon.

[redsn0w]

News , Will theymos update  the defaultTrust list ? we need more active/trusted users and not only a scammer like ( MagicalTux and other non-active users).

I hope to receive a response from a theymos , cheers.

Theymos does update the DefaultTrust list, but not a whole lot. Like, not a whole lot. So you wouldn't really expect much of a change any time soon.

Yes , I have understand but why a scammer is in the defaultTrust list ? It is amazing  .


I'm still waiting a reply from theymos , please.



Have a nice day .

[ForgottenPassword]

It's not a problem to have a scammer in the DefaultTrust. It's only a problem if someone in DefaultTrust leaves people feedback that is false and MagicalTux hasn't done that. A non-scammer could leave people false feedback too and have to be removed from DefaultTrust. Being in DefaultTrust doesn't mean you're trustworthy, you don't get a higher score or anything.

He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.

John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.

[RodeoX]

My DefaultTrust is that by default I do not trust anyone.

[redsn0w]

It's not a problem to have a scammer in the DefaultTrust. It's only a problem if someone in DefaultTrust leaves people feedback that is false and MagicalTux hasn't done that. A non-scammer could leave people false feedback too and have to be removed from DefaultTrust. Being in DefaultTrust doesn't mean you're trustworthy, you don't get a higher score or anything.

He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.

John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.

What is the meaning of the word : Trust ?

My DefaultTrust is that by default I do not trust anyone.

You're right .

[ForgottenPassword]

It's not a problem to have a scammer in the DefaultTrust. It's only a problem if someone in DefaultTrust leaves people feedback that is false and MagicalTux hasn't done that. A non-scammer could leave people false feedback too and have to be removed from DefaultTrust. Being in DefaultTrust doesn't mean you're trustworthy, you don't get a higher score or anything.

He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.

John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.

What is the meaning of the word : Trust ?

My DefaultTrust is that by default I do not trust anyone.

You're right .

I think maybe you misunderstand what the DefaultTrust list is.

If you are on the DefaultTrust, your feedback shows up as confirmed.

If you are not on the DefaultTrust, your feedback shows up as unconfirmed.

Has MagicalTux abused this in anyway?

If not, then why must we remove him?

[redsn0w]

It's not a problem to have a scammer in the DefaultTrust. It's only a problem if someone in DefaultTrust leaves people feedback that is false and MagicalTux hasn't done that. A non-scammer could leave people false feedback too and have to be removed from DefaultTrust. Being in DefaultTrust doesn't mean you're trustworthy, you don't get a higher score or anything.

He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.

John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.

What is the meaning of the word : Trust ?

My DefaultTrust is that by default I do not trust anyone.

You're right .

I think maybe you misunderstand what the DefaultTrust list is.

If you are on the DefaultTrust, your feedback shows up as confirmed rather than unconfirmed when viewed by someone using the DefaultTrust list.

Has MagicalTux abused this in anyway?

If not, then why must we remove him?

I've only ask you one question :

What is the meaning of the word : Trust ?


Nothing else .  An untrustworthy person/user in the defaultTrust list is not admittable.

[ForgottenPassword]

I've only ask you one question :

What is the meaning of the word : Trust ?


Nothing else .  An untrustworthy person/user in the defaultTrust list is not admittable.

The name DefaultTrust is somewhat misleading. "PeopleWhoLeaveAccurateFeedbackList" is more accurate but it doesn't have the same ring to it

[BitCoinNutJob]

I guess its because he is innocent until proven guilty.  Perhaps we need an incompetent list mean time until we find out what happened with mtgox.

[SaltySpitoon]

It's not a problem to have a scammer in the DefaultTrust. It's only a problem if someone in DefaultTrust leaves people feedback that is false and MagicalTux hasn't done that. A non-scammer could leave people false feedback too and have to be removed from DefaultTrust. Being in DefaultTrust doesn't mean you're trustworthy, you don't get a higher score or anything.

He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.

John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.

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He isn't on the default trust list. He is trusted by John K who is on the default trust list. Set your trust depth to 1 (Just people on the list) and not 2 (People trusted by people on the list) and MagicalTux will be there no more.

Its really not a big deal since neither of them are active, but its not really in Theymos' control. He can control who is on the default trust list, he can't control who those people trust. So the options are A) JohnK comes back and removes MagicalTux or B) Theymos removes JohnK

[redsn0w]

It's not a problem to have a scammer in the DefaultTrust. It's only a problem if someone in DefaultTrust leaves people feedback that is false and MagicalTux hasn't done that. A non-scammer could leave people false feedback too and have to be removed from DefaultTrust. Being in DefaultTrust doesn't mean you're trustworthy, you don't get a higher score or anything.

He's still in DefaultTrust because he's on John K's list. theymos would have to remove John from DefaultTrust in order to remove MagicalTux, John was a global mod and a forum treasurer so maybe theymos doesn't want to remove him.

John could also remove MagicalTux himself but I think John is away from the forums due to health problems.

This

He isn't on the default trust list. He is trusted by John K who is on the default trust list. Set your trust depth to 1 (Just people on the list) and not 2 (People trusted by people on the list) and MagicalTux will be there no more.

Its really not a big deal since neither of them are active, but its not really in Theymos' control. He can control who is on the default trust list, he can't control who those people trust. So the options are A) JohnK comes back and removes MagicalTux or B) Theymos removes JohnK

Thank  you for your comment , but  I'm still thinking  that  it is not possible to have an untrustworthy person in that list . However we are here only to make a clean discussion about the actual defaulTrust list ( and I'm still waiting a reply from an administrator  ).

Cheers.

[redsn0w]

Nothing , for an administrator doesn't matter to have a scammer in the defaultTrust ? I think it is amazing .

However I hope that list will updated in the new forum software, thanks for the attention guys .

[Muhammed Zakir]

Nothing , for an administrator doesn't matter to have a scammer in the defaultTrust ? I think it is amazing .

However I hope that list will updated in the new forum software, thanks for the attention guys .

As MagicalTux isn't active here, there isn't any problem. I think that's why they(Admins) aren't bothering about this.

I think an option to report trust feedback(1) and a moderated DefaultTrust list would be a good idea though (1) would be a big pain for moderators, so that should be secondary option or some trust feedback admin should be made - they can be users who put correct feedback, not all DF list members.

    ~~MZ~~

[redsn0w]

Nothing , for an administrator doesn't matter to have a scammer in the defaultTrust ? I think it is amazing .

However I hope that list will updated in the new forum software, thanks for the attention guys .

As MagicalTux isn't active here, there isn't any problem. I think that's why they(Admins) aren't bothering about this.

Yes , you're right  but I think it's better to remove him (manually) from the actual defaulTrust list. Because:

what is it means the word: defaultTrust ?

I think an option to report trust feedback(1) and a moderated DefaultTrust list would be a good idea though (1) would be a big pain for moderators, so that should be secondary option or some trust feedback admin should be made - they can be users who put correct feedback, not all DF list members.

    ~~MZ~~

This idea is  "good" but I think  it will never be done. However thank you for your opinion it is very appreciated.



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[John (John K.)]

PS: Just saw this, and removed him. Sorry for my hiatus, RL's really taking a toll on me...

[Beastlymac]

PS: Just saw this, and removed him. Sorry for my hiatus, RL's really taking a toll on me...

Good to see you again and thank you for updating your list.

[redsn0w]

PS: Just saw this, and removed him. Sorry for my hiatus, RL's really taking a toll on me...

Thank you  John . Finally karpeles was removed from that list , thanks again.

[redsn0w]

Now I can close the thread . Thank you again  , and have a nice day.