Is Monero taking over the alternate section? #3 Crypto in weeks?

[iCEBREAKER]

Hurr durr you can't change the laws of physics durr hurr.

The laws of physics change may or may not change depending on cosmological factors we are only beginning to observe (EG fine-structure constant). 

More importantly, our understanding of those laws change continually and sometimes rapidly as they evolve in punctuated equilibria.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_revolution

We don't have a grand unified theory, so the laws have to change if we are to accommodate one.

Did you sleep through the Copernican Revolution?

Where you out sick for the Bohr–Einstein debates?

Please fuck off with your smug absolutist Debbie Downer negativity. 

Innovation will proceed, regardless of your pitiable lack of imagination and optimism.

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[cbeast]

Hurr durr you can't change the laws of physics durr hurr.

The laws of physics change may or may not change depending on cosmological factors we are only beginning to observe (EG fine-structure constant). 

More importantly, our understanding of those laws change continually and sometimes rapidly as they evolve in punctuated equilibria.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_revolution

We don't have a grand unified theory, so the laws have to change if we are to accommodate one.

Did you sleep through the Copernican Revolution?

Where you out sick for the Bohr–Einstein debates?

Please fuck off with your smug absolutist Debbie Downer negativity. 

Innovation will proceed, regardless of your pitiable lack of imagination and optimism.

Put away your Magic the Gathering cards, Mr. Wizard.

[Come-In-Behind]

Hurr durr you can't change the laws of physics durr hurr.

The laws of physics change may or may not change depending on cosmological factors we are only beginning to observe (EG fine-structure constant).  

More importantly, our understanding of those laws change continually and sometimes rapidly as they evolve in punctuated equilibria.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_revolution

We don't have a grand unified theory, so the laws have to change if we are to accommodate one.

Did you sleep through the Copernican Revolution?

Where you out sick for the Bohr–Einstein debates?

Please fuck off with your smug absolutist Debbie Downer negativity.  

Innovation will proceed, regardless of your pitiable lack of imagination and optimism.

Ouch, cbeast just got Burned.

[TheMage]

Hurr durr you can't change the laws of physics durr hurr.

The laws of physics change may or may not change depending on cosmological factors we are only beginning to observe (EG fine-structure constant). 

More importantly, our understanding of those laws change continually and sometimes rapidly as they evolve in punctuated equilibria.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_revolution

We don't have a grand unified theory, so the laws have to change if we are to accommodate one.

Did you sleep through the Copernican Revolution?

Where you out sick for the Bohr–Einstein debates?

Please fuck off with your smug absolutist Debbie Downer negativity. 

Innovation will proceed, regardless of your pitiable lack of imagination and optimism.

Can you explain this statement? I'm a little confused on what you mean by "the laws have to change in order to accommodate one". Laws can not change, however our interpretation of those laws may.


All you really needed to do it invoke quantum mechanics stating that anything is impossible, regardless of how improbable it may be. And if you subscribe to the many worlds theory (AKA many universe theory), whatever can happen, has already happened in an alternate reality.

[Spoetnik]

Yes.

No and get ready sweet-heart your alarm clock could go off any minute

sorry i hate to be a "Debby Downer" ahahaha

I'd rather be a downer any day rooted in reality with ups and downs than a delusional retard spit shining a lump of shit.
life is full of good and bad and both should be embraced especially in an environment used primarily for scamming people for Bitcoin.
context guys... C O N T E X T !!!!!!!!!
Do you dipshits go to prisons and tell the prisoners their being downers for bitching about being in jail ?
Try using your brains wannabe Mensa Case's LOL
And ease up on the scatter brain backyard theoretical physicist bullshit.
Want some science ?  here strap this on smart ass's ...
90% of all these coins are a P&D scam. #science #facts #dealwithit

You and your Monero taking over has about as much chance as JLaw keeping her squatting over her cell phone with her panties off photos off the the internet !

[iCEBREAKER]

Hurr durr you can't change the laws of physics durr hurr.

The laws of physics change may or may not change depending on cosmological factors we are only beginning to observe (EG fine-structure constant). 

More importantly, our understanding of those laws change continually and sometimes rapidly as they evolve in punctuated equilibria.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_revolution

We don't have a grand unified theory, so the laws have to change if we are to accommodate one.

Did you sleep through the Copernican Revolution?

Where you out sick for the Bohr–Einstein debates?

Please fuck off with your smug absolutist Debbie Downer negativity. 

Innovation will proceed, regardless of your pitiable lack of imagination and optimism.

Put away your Magic the Gathering cards, Mr. Wizard.

That's right, you said something indefensible and have no good response available to back up your silly claim, so you go for non sequitur ad hominem.  How are we to have a good flame war if all you can say is 'shut up you nerd?'   

I like your sig BTW.

[iCEBREAKER]

Hurr durr you can't change the laws of physics durr hurr.

We don't have a grand unified theory, so the laws have to change if we are to accommodate one.

Can you explain this statement? I'm a little confused on what you mean by "the laws have to change in order to accommodate one". Laws can not change, however our interpretation of those laws may.

The Standard Model (AKA "The Laws of Physics") doesn't account for gravity, among other things. 

It will have to change when we update it to include gravitation, etc.

For a preview of how the laws of physics will change, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_beyond_the_Standard_Model

We are not sure if the laws of physics are the same everywhere and at all times in our own universe, much less in the many worlds of the Copenhagen interpretation.

Speaking of Copenhagen, its core message is an ineffable Zen-like declaration that our interpretation of the supposedly objective reality *IS* the reality for all intents and purposes: the observer's observation creates the measurement.  Statements about non-observables are meaningless...the implementation is the specification.   

According to John G. Cramer, "Despite an extensive literature which refers to, discusses, and criticizes the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, nowhere does there seem to be any concise statement which defines the full Copenhagen interpretation."

[Spoetnik]

This looks more and more like Quarkcoin.

except its called Monero.

What a dumb name. It sounds like an underpowered sedan driven by senior citizens.

I wouldn't focus that much on the name, although I consider in class with Litecoin branding name.

What I would focus on is CryptoNote, do some research about it.
"Any significantly advanced cryptocurrency is indistinguishable from Ponzi Tulips."
^ The statement here I consider in line with Monero and especially the CryptoNote protocol.

uhhhhmm i sure as hell would !
the name means everything.

technical issues aside like coin specs i can not see a coin called Monero (for example) taking over for Bitcoin.
the name Bitcoin was brilliant and appeals to all demo graphics really well.
like is Grandma gonna be motivated to convert her Pension to DarkCoin's ?
not bloody likely lol

[Spoetnik]

haha, I was bored late at night and I thought my last comment would be "yes" on this thread

I knew it was all it takes to get Spoetnik BS factory at full force

Monero is not a scam, is the most non-scam with exception of LTC and BTC, deal with it.

as I said we need you to ppl think there is some resistance so they don't dispute Monero place as #2 coin.

See that is WHY i think you and some of the other Monero shills are Bat shit crazy !
like WTF ? Monero is the #2 coin ? ....what ? LOL

[nakaone]

It appears it protocol may be evolving into something more like Zerocoin.

Can you provide more detail on why you think this?

I am not a dev, but well written white papers are supposed to summarize the disposition. My take is from the language used regarding goals and intentions of each project. Cryptonote started with a Project manager over it's ring signatures and now uses an oracle. I'm not sure how they will handle bloating. Cryptonote claims to be no longer competing with Bitcoin and wants to work in parallel just as zerocoin does as well. This is a reasonable approach with an unproven technology. But Cryptonote seems to be testing the waters with altcoins. This probably isn't going to help them. Both are a work in progress and the winners will be the ones that integrate with Bitcoin. Zerocoin seems to have the edge so far.

no trolling here but do you really think bitcoin will be "more" anonymous than coin-mixing in the future and at the same time standing the test of governmental regulation?

I seriously doubt that the ledger get much more private - so privacy is the only existing niche.

or do you think of a spin-off for a private coin by using the distribution of the bitcoin ledger?

[ButtcoinEXpress]

like is Grandma gonna be motivated to convert her Pension to DarkCoin's ?

granny def buy jackpotcoin with her retirement over darkcoin.  she can gamble without ever going to the casino  

[mmortal03]

It appears it protocol may be evolving into something more like Zerocoin.

Can you provide more detail on why you think this?

I am not a dev, but well written white papers are supposed to summarize the disposition. My take is from the language used regarding goals and intentions of each project. Cryptonote started with a Project manager over it's ring signatures and now uses an oracle. I'm not sure how they will handle bloating. Cryptonote claims to be no longer competing with Bitcoin and wants to work in parallel just as zerocoin does as well. This is a reasonable approach with an unproven technology. But Cryptonote seems to be testing the waters with altcoins. This probably isn't going to help them. Both are a work in progress and the winners will be the ones that integrate with Bitcoin. Zerocoin seems to have the edge so far.

My understanding was that Zerocoin hadn't been released yet and was being reworked since they couldn't get it incorporated into Bitcoin. Zerocash is their newest project. Are you familiar with it? Is this only a theoretical edge that you're claiming, given that there's nothing actually released yet? Everything about it is still academic.

[CoinHoarder]

It appears it protocol may be evolving into something more like Zerocoin.

Can you provide more detail on why you think this?

I am not a dev, but well written white papers are supposed to summarize the disposition. My take is from the language used regarding goals and intentions of each project. Cryptonote started with a Project manager over it's ring signatures and now uses an oracle. I'm not sure how they will handle bloating. Cryptonote claims to be no longer competing with Bitcoin and wants to work in parallel just as zerocoin does as well. This is a reasonable approach with an unproven technology. But Cryptonote seems to be testing the waters with altcoins. This probably isn't going to help them. Both are a work in progress and the winners will be the ones that integrate with Bitcoin. Zerocoin seems to have the edge so far.

My understanding was that Zerocoin hadn't been released yet and was being reworked since they couldn't get it incorporated into Bitcoin. Zerocash is their newest project. Are you familiar with it? Is this only a theoretical edge that you're claiming, given that there's nothing actually released yet? Everything about it is still academic.

IMO both technologies are extremely unlikely to be implemented into Bitcoin. Bitcoin is too worried about playing nice with governments and achieving mass adoption (getting rich). Bitcoin is allergic to change due to no one wanting to risk the value of their coins for the betterment of society and the technology. That and because opinions differ so much that it is hard to get anyone to agree to do anything. This is why Alt coins are needed, to push the technology forward and improve upon cryptocoins since Bitcoin is unwilling to do so for the most part.

Zerocoin and Zerocash are two different things. Anoncoin (possibly others) is still working on implementing Zerocoin and I think they are close to having the first implementation of it (a month or so according to their dev.) Zerocash is being developed by the original Zerocoin developers and a few others.

Zerocoin does not offer as much anonymity as Zerocash, but it has a benefit over Zerocash in that it can be implemented in a more trust-less manner by the use of RSA UFOs.

That being said, there is still some risk involved in that someone may already have cracked the RSA UFOs (the NSA) or someone could do so in the future. In this case it wouldn't affect anonymity, but they could print free Zerocoins. If it is cracked at some point with faster computers then the coin could be hard forked with higher security RSA UFOs, but the damage could already be done. There is a lot of debate as to how secure the RSA UFO approach is, and I am on the fence about it after hearing a lot of opposing opinions.

I have also heard a lot of opposing opinions as to how much trust would be required to setup Zerocash. The developers claim and I quote "there is trust involved but it is more like having to trust that only one person out of 20 is not cheating you." Furthermore, there are mentions of using multiparty computation to set it up, which is similar to how Anoncoin is setting up the Zerocoin RSA UFOs. Again, I am on the fence as to how much trust would be required and what the better solution is as there are a lot of opposing opinions.

You cannot link a buyer of a zerocoin to a seller of it. You cannot do that in Zerocash either, but with the added ability of not be able to tell how much value a transfer was for. Here is a good place to start learning about Zerocoin and Zerocash, although it may be a bit biased towards Zerocoin: https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Anoncoin_Wiki

I think ring signatures are the best currently available option for anonymity as they are implemented in Cryptonote coins. However, I have heard of at least one coin that is improving upon the anonymity of ring signatures as they are implemented in Cryptonote coins. I believe these coins are using ring signatures, but implementing them a little bit differently. I guess current Cryptonote coins can upgrade if it is a better solution.

The jury is still out as to what anonymous technology is best and opinions differ. It is challenging in that all of these concepts are hard to understand, especially the complicated cryptography in Zerocoin/Zerocash, and I think that is the main reason why the answer is not clear. If they can be implemented in a sufficiently trust-less and secure manner, they could beat out all currently existing technologies.

[NewLiberty]

Monero.

What a dumb name. It sounds like an underpowered sedan driven by senior citizens.

"Monero" sounds like a flashy customized Ferrari one-off built for an extremely wealthy customer like Jack Ma or Larry Ellison.

"NXT" sounds like the name of some crappy budget deathtrap of a car originally built by Tata, copied by Chery, and driven by aspirational third world citizens.

I thought NXT sounded like a computer system built by Steve Jobs that was almost commercially successful.

[iCEBREAKER]

I thought NXT sounded like a computer system built by Steve Jobs that was almost commercially successful.

ROFL, good one d0000d.  Jobs didn't built NXT tho, he just paid a fortune for the privilege of sitting on it (and copying the OS).



Behold, the NXT mining ASIC!

^{PM me for pre-order....}

[papa_lazzarou]

Cryptonote started off sacrificing trustlessness for privacy.

Why do you say that Cryptonote protocol sacrifices trustless transactions? The whole concept of ring signatures as implemented in cryptonotes is that you can ensure untraceable transactions while keeping the network trustless.