The cost of illegal immigrants

[AndrewBUD]

I would say $4.99 a piece?

[realnowhereman]

Anit-Immigration is just an extension of the belief that lines on maps are somehow absolute and real and not just arbitrary and made up.
There are no countries just individuals making decisions about what's best for them and their families.
Patriotism is as ridiculous as belief in the flying spaghetti monster.

I'm certainly not against immigration; but suggesting that the lines don't matter is just silly.

At the very least it defines were you send the tax cheque, and how big it is.

They are certainly arbitrary, but it matters which side of it you are.

[hashman]

So, we have a system where some individuals are declared by other individuals as "legal", and others as "illegal" irregardless of any behavior of said individuals? 

As I understand it some people are "legal", others, sorry they are OK for slave trade and to help let out aggressions of idiots and fascists and further the progression of said idiots' mental illness which seeks to ensure their children are even more unhappy then they are. 

One way to deal with this kind of epidemic mental illness is to identify it and keep it from afflicting you.  No person is illegal.  All men are created equal.  Act accordingly.

 

[realnowhereman]

Since "legal" and "illegal" only have meaning within the arbitrary borders of a country; yes countries are perfectly entitled to create whatever laws they want.  Including declaring some people "illegal".

You are perfectly free to disagree with those laws, consider them wrong and immoral but that does not alter the fact of their existence.

[stochastic]

Personally, I would like the boarders of the USA to be open to everyone.  If a person shows that they have intent to become citizens of the United States then they should be able to come.

What bothers me is that the current immigration favors one group over another.  With the close proximity of the United States to Central America, we get a lot of immigrants from those nations but less from Asian, Africa, and Europe.

There are many good people all over the world.  Currently we have a family based immigration system where families will sponser a family member in another country to come here.  It is not a good system and it needs to be fixed, but allowing people that did not go through the process to cut in line is not the answer to the current problem.  This will only cause more people to bypass the legal system and do it illegally.

[myrkul]

Borders are just lines drawn on a map. There is no such thing as an illegal person.

[stochastic]

Borders are just lines drawn on a map. There is no such thing as an illegal person.

Laws are just words written on paper, there is not such thing as an illegal act.

[AndrewBUD]

It's only illegal if you get caught...

[stochastic]

I will just leave this here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW20EMJr6o4&feature=related

[niko]

This is distracted thinking that fails to notice the obvious source of the problem. All the money "we spent on illegal immigrants" has not burned in fire, and it was definitely not burned in fire by the illegal immigrants themselves: the money simply changed hands. Public funds mostly ended up in private pockets of for-profit insurance companies, hospitals, law enforcement, bureaucrats, and so forth. Illegal immigrants, Iraq, health care, war on drugs, are simply excuses.  Even if someone eliminated illegal immigrants, big capital and investors would simply find another excuse and another way to maximize their profits - especially by sucking off public funds. The problem are not illegal immigrants, the problem is ideological.  It is amusing to see how many Americans are being fucked hard by their own, all while blaming foreigners for the pain...

[dancupid]

Anit-Immigration is just an extension of the belief that lines on maps are somehow absolute and real and not just arbitrary and made up.
There are no countries just individuals making decisions about what's best for them and their families.
Patriotism is as ridiculous as belief in the flying spaghetti monster.

I'm certainly not against immigration; but suggesting that the lines don't matter is just silly.

At the very least it defines were you send the tax cheque, and how big it is.

They are certainly arbitrary, but it matters which side of it you are.

The people who make the decision to become illegal immigrants have already taken that into account. They've decided that being illegal is a better economic choice than being legal. Personally, I doubt I would ever be that courageous.

[mystery2048]

Illegal immigrants are a heck of a lot cheaper than rich wealthy bankers who produce little

[hashman]

The people who make the decision to become illegal immigrants have already taken that into account. They've decided that being illegal is a better economic choice than being legal. Personally, I doubt I would ever be that courageous.

Not quite bro.  The person who decides somebody's existence is illegal is an asshole. 
They come from a sad family with a history of mental illness. 

[myrkul]

The people who make the decision to become illegal immigrants have already taken that into account. They've decided that being illegal is a better economic choice than being legal. Personally, I doubt I would ever be that courageous.

Not quite bro.  The person who decides somebody's existence is illegal is an asshole. 
They come from a sad family with a history of mental illness. 

While I agree, I would change "existence" to "presence", because except in a few very rare cases, they don't kill illegals, just send 'em packing.