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May 05, 2012, 04:18:26 AM
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http://zerocurrency.blogspot.com/2006/03/my-summary-of-why-i-live-moneyless.html

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May 05, 2012, 04:25:56 AM
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I truly respect this guy.
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May 05, 2012, 04:28:09 AM
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I truly respect this guy.

Not gunna lie that is pretty amazing.
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May 05, 2012, 04:58:16 AM
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"For the first time, I was seriously realizing I could live totally moneyless."

Um yeah... because you hitch hiked off other people's generosity, and used clothing and tools created by the money-society you are pretending to reject. And then took a flight to Thailand and India, using a plane built by thousands of years of human ingenuity and progress which was enabled by trade and exchange, which was in turn facilitated by money... and then reported about it on a computer.

The dude is a 'tard. Wanna live off the grid? Fine, that's cool. But unless you're crafting tools from wood and stone and living in a shelter made of logs with clothes made from grasses and deer skins, then you're just fooling yourself.

A moneyless society is a society of starvation and utter poverty, and a world without trade, production, and exchange is a world without the leisure time one might desire for the purposes of reflecting on such fantastical notions as "a world without money."
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May 05, 2012, 06:03:52 AM
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Money's only use is to reward corruption, so i approve of this

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May 05, 2012, 06:11:32 AM
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Does he ever define what he means by money?

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May 05, 2012, 07:05:36 AM
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"For the first time, I was seriously realizing I could live totally moneyless."

Um yeah... because you hitch hiked off other people's generosity, and used clothing and tools created by the money-society you are pretending to reject. And then took a flight to Thailand and India, using a plane built by thousands of years of human ingenuity and progress which was enabled by trade and exchange, which was in turn facilitated by money... and then reported about it on a computer.

The dude is a 'tard. Wanna live off the grid? Fine, that's cool. But unless you're crafting tools from wood and stone and living in a shelter made of logs with clothes made from grasses and deer skins, then you're just fooling yourself.

A moneyless society is a society of starvation and utter poverty, and a world without trade, production, and exchange is a world without the leisure time one might desire for the purposes of reflecting on such fantastical notions as "a world without money."

Idiot, what makes you think a world without money is a world without trade, production and "exchange" ?

Calling someone a 'tard then come off as a completely idiot is priceless - (or should i say moneyless? )

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May 05, 2012, 07:06:58 AM
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Money makes trading more efficient.  Trying to operate in a modern world without money is complete lunacy.
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May 05, 2012, 07:19:13 AM
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"For the first time, I was seriously realizing I could live totally moneyless."

Um yeah... because you hitch hiked off other people's generosity, and used clothing and tools created by the money-society you are pretending to reject. And then took a flight to Thailand and India, using a plane built by thousands of years of human ingenuity and progress which was enabled by trade and exchange, which was in turn facilitated by money... and then reported about it on a computer.

The dude is a 'tard. Wanna live off the grid? Fine, that's cool. But unless you're crafting tools from wood and stone and living in a shelter made of logs with clothes made from grasses and deer skins, then you're just fooling yourself.

A moneyless society is a society of starvation and utter poverty, and a world without trade, production, and exchange is a world without the leisure time one might desire for the purposes of reflecting on such fantastical notions as "a world without money."

Idiot, what makes you think a world without money is a world without trade, production and "exchange" ?

Calling someone a 'tard then come off as a completely idiot is priceless - (or should i say moneyless? )



Ah, the irony.  Cheesy

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May 05, 2012, 07:35:44 AM
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Money is just a tool/invention to make it easier to trade services and stuff.
Instead of having to carry your stuff around, you sell it and carry the money around, money is easier to divide.

Lets say you have a car and you dont need it. You need food for several days, a bicykle, different kind of clothes.
Now with money you sell your car and can than go and get the other things when you need them.

No need to trade the car into 5 bicykles, trade one of the bicykles into books (you dont need) than trade the books into some clothes which does not really fit.

If you think money in itself is the problem you don´t get what money is. Money is just a thing like a book. But the book only have value to the person who wants to read it. You are making it harder on you if you try to find the person who does and can give you clothes for it.

Its just easier to trade with the things we call money since we can agree on the value everyone has use for them for anything.

Sure you can live currency free but why make your life difficult...





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May 05, 2012, 08:09:06 AM
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ITT : Well trained slaves try to justify themselves against the ones that got out of a corrupt system

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May 05, 2012, 08:18:16 AM
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You don't need currency in a resource based economy. Money is the mechanism we use to justify denying people the necessities of life.

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May 05, 2012, 08:42:49 AM
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I think often when people talk about living 'moneyless' they are seeking a way of having more control and resilience in their day to day lives whilst still enjoying a modern standard of living.

A lot of this is about capital and savings and lifestyle choices.

Imagine I work and save and, from my savings, put solar panels on my house or boat.
My electricity is now 'free'. No electricity bills.  I am one step nearer being able to live 'moneyless'.

Take it one step further: you buy an electric bike, that you can recharge from your solar panels. Now you do not really need a car. In the UK even a cheap car costs £3000 a year to run. Substitute an electric bike for a car and you no longer need to earn £3000 a year net. (that is £5000 gross in the UK). One step nearer living 'moneyless' and more systemic resilience in your life.  You also no longer care about the price of gas/ petrol.

Chris Martenson expounds this philosophy very well here:
http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse

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May 05, 2012, 09:05:05 AM
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You don't need currency in a resource based economy. Money is the mechanism we use to justify denying people the necessities of life.
A resource based economy is a step in the right direction, but still rewards corruption

I would prefer an honour based economy, you get EVERYTHING from the start (ACCESS to everything, not 'ownership') and lose access to things if you are a drain or otherwise harmful, the basic needs a person has would be the minimum a person gets and that would be for never doing anything helpful or actively being harmful, the people that do a 40 hour work week (or whatever is needed from everyone) would never lose anything - working would be about maintaining your current life, instead of swimming against the current to try and get a 'better' life, people that do more than is required could build up 'honour' and go on a long vacation that doesn't affect what access they get.

Most crimes would be changed to just lower 'honour', prisons would be for the murderers, rapists and people that had kids just to steal from them as a way to avoid working (among others i am sure, but only the most destructive need be removed)

I can not see this working with a human run government, so we either need robotic government or some way to decentralise human government

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May 05, 2012, 09:27:51 AM
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You don't need currency in a resource based economy. Money is the mechanism we use to justify denying people the necessities of life.
A resource based economy is a step in the right direction, but still rewards corruption

I would prefer an honour based economy, you get EVERYTHING from the start (ACCESS to everything, not 'ownership') and lose access to things if you are a drain or otherwise harmful, the basic needs a person has would be the minimum a person gets and that would be for never doing anything helpful or actively being harmful, the people that do a 40 hour work week (or whatever is needed from everyone) would never lose anything - working would be about maintaining your current life, instead of swimming against the current to try and get a 'better' life, people that do more than is required could build up 'honour' and go on a long vacation that doesn't affect what access they get.

Most crimes would be changed to just lower 'honour', prisons would be for the murderers, rapists and people that had kids just to steal from them as a way to avoid working (among others i am sure, but only the most destructive need be removed)

I can not see this working with a human run government, so we either need robotic government or some way to decentralise human government


Well, firstly people would have to give more of a shit about each other.  Honestly, people would prefer to be cut throat rather than distribute wealth, so that everyone gets "everything" from the start and then reduced for bad behavior or non contribution.  As most know our systems largely operate on ownership aka greed.  But we are hardwired to compete against each other and throw each other off cliffs when the moment presents itself.

Seems to me limits on ownership rights would have to be implemented to move in this direction.  If greed motivation can be reduced it might have a shot.  But then this is the planet Earth and that wont happen.

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May 05, 2012, 09:36:34 AM
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You don't need currency in a resource based economy. Money is the mechanism we use to justify denying people the necessities of life.
A resource based economy is a step in the right direction, but still rewards corruption

I would prefer an honour based economy, you get EVERYTHING from the start (ACCESS to everything, not 'ownership') and lose access to things if you are a drain or otherwise harmful, the basic needs a person has would be the minimum a person gets and that would be for never doing anything helpful or actively being harmful, the people that do a 40 hour work week (or whatever is needed from everyone) would never lose anything - working would be about maintaining your current life, instead of swimming against the current to try and get a 'better' life, people that do more than is required could build up 'honour' and go on a long vacation that doesn't affect what access they get.

Most crimes would be changed to just lower 'honour', prisons would be for the murderers, rapists and people that had kids just to steal from them as a way to avoid working (among others i am sure, but only the most destructive need be removed)

I can not see this working with a human run government, so we either need robotic government or some way to decentralise human government


Well, firstly people would have to give more of a shit about each other.  Honestly, people would prefer to be cut throat rather than distribute wealth, so that everyone gets "everything" from the start and then reduced for bad behavior or non contribution.  As most know our systems largely operate on ownership aka greed.  But we are hardwired to compete against each other and throw each other off cliffs when the moment presents itself.

Seems to me limits on ownership rights would have to be implemented to move in this direction.  If greed motivation can be reduced it might have a shot.  But then this is the planet Earth and that wont happen.


It is money that has promoted greed, it is not hardwired but programmed into us, no one is born greedy, at the invention of "the economy" it was meant to help people, to minimise waste, but it has not, it has failed and it is time for a new "system"

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May 05, 2012, 10:16:53 AM
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It is money that has promoted greed, it is not hardwired but programmed into us, no one is born greedy, at the invention of "the economy" it was meant to help people, to minimise waste, but it has not, it has failed and it is time for a new "system"

I think you've got it backwards. Everyone is born greedy. Just witness two toddlers (who have no understanding of money or economics) fighting over a toy. Money doesn't promote greed, it just lets people act on their greed more efficiently (which is why money was invented in the first place). And greed is a good thing. Rather than using violence to force people to do what is required for society to function, all you have to do is offer them enough money and they'll do it voluntarily. And it's easy to define what is "necessary for society" by whether or not people will voluntarily pay money to make it happen. It's a good system. Maybe not perfect, but certainly far better than anything devised by any government.

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May 05, 2012, 11:55:19 AM
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Just witness two toddlers (who have no understanding of money or economics) fighting over a toy.

This ^

Money is not something that was invented. Currency is.


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May 05, 2012, 12:19:22 PM
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I think you've got it backwards. Everyone is born greedy. Just witness two toddlers (who have no understanding of money or economics) fighting over a toy.
That's just bad parenting. My children did not do that. I was teaching them to be Communists.  Grin

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May 05, 2012, 12:50:26 PM
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It is money that has promoted greed, it is not hardwired but programmed into us, no one is born greedy, at the invention of "the economy" it was meant to help people, to minimise waste, but it has not, it has failed and it is time for a new "system"
Just witness two toddlers (who have no understanding of money or economics) fighting over a toy.
You're confusing the motivation of greed with the expression of intense interest. Give them two identical objects and they can each interact and learn about them individually. And if your argument is that we should maintain a childlike mindset by engaging in this convoluted monetary system, then that is an incredibly low bar to set for ourselves. Let's move it up.

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