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First?

FINALLY

My offer stands.

That must be a slip. If you use zero, then you don't use ring signatures but only stealth addressing. Thus, for a starter, the recipient of the XMR knows your public XMR address. The public at large knows you spent the money but not the destination. I would suggest using 5-10 for personal privacy, depending on paranoia level. The optimum for the network is hard to decide, my preliminary studies indicate that 24 should be sufficient to make deterministic identification NP-hard. This might be wrong, this might be too high or too low, this does not say anything about probabilistic inferences, but only about deterministic ones (i.e. I think you are guaranteed, given no abuses of the network, that you may maintain plausible deniability if everyone used 24 or higher). A very high mixin means at this point only a larger (in bytes) transaction record. This, compounded, leads to blockchain bloat. In the future, transaction fees will be proportional to transaction sizes (in bytes), but that is not the case at this moment.

Hope this answered your questions.

Just wanted to state again, what a great job the devs did during the past week. Really appreciate how hard you guys worked and how professional you remained in the worst set of trolling I've seen in a long time. Thank you!

I just wish you would refrain from responding so much to the obvious trolls. It just fills up the threads with nonsense and gives them a larger voice.

I am not a much of a poster, but i like to follow XMR. I think i might enjoy this thread more.

Thank you.

Off to bed. I hope I can't be blamed for what happens while I'm asleep.

Good to see that questions asked regarding costs implementing necessary features for a lively future of monero resulted in a renewed (potentially) fruitful discussion about some possibilities. I think, whatever the outcome, it is good to have this issue properly adressed and put higher on the list of priorities of the community as a whole.

I agree with xulescu's statement above. Before considering rigorous changes to core principles (as controversial as those principles may be) we must first try different (less rigorous) alternatives, simply because we all agreed on these rules when we bought in. Changing those during game-time is far from ideal (and very risky). Only if the alternatives do not work, we should re open the discussion regarding post-mine, emission etc.

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Let's get some structure in this discussion/process.

What funding methods can we think of, or have been thinked of already? Please update this list (which is in random order) and let's use it as a guideline:
1 Crowdfunding per project
2 Miner with dev donation fee (ie instead of 5 to claymore, 2.5 to devs of xmr, 2.5 to dev of the miner)
3 ...
4 ...

When we have a list we could name some alternatives per method. Then the pro's and con's per subitem. The prerequisites/input needed (time, people, data etc). We could also (maybe at a later date) determine when it would be considered a succes (looking at the resources needed to setup). 

I have one addition to this list which is an idea I've been playing with for a while. It's something in between donating and loaning, I will try to work out some details and make a good description before planting this here and let you guys shine some light on it.

Oh damn, my fault. I forgot about monero-extended. Not much here yet though, so perfectly reasonable to lock and restart.