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September 27, 2014, 03:24:15 AM
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Inflation is an issue, but the image is absurd. Items costing $20.00 in 2013 would have cost $13.99 in 1998.
You believe the CPI numbers published by the govt?
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September 27, 2014, 11:17:20 AM
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The reason people don't worry about the effect of inflation on their savings is because they are generally able to earn more in interest and investment returns then inflation will eat away. Look at long term returns on the stock market for example, it has historically allowed investors to earn ~7% on their investment after accounting for inflation

The majority of people even in the so called first world struggles to keep up with day to day expenses. They don't have money to invest or even to save... They take loans to study, start a small business etc..
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September 27, 2014, 04:36:28 PM
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Apple Pay is not designed to combat inflation. Neither is it designed to compete with Bitcoin. It is designed to make traditional point of purchase--via credit card and other bank methods--more convenient. And secure.

I think it will succeed soundly on the first point. I even think they'll eventually get the security nailed, though there may be some disasters early on.

Heck, I think that Apple will likely integrate Bitcoin into Apple Pay at some point.

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September 27, 2014, 09:21:29 PM
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Applepay is designed to introduce a technological jump.

USA is faced to upgrade their CC system and improve the security.
This means, as far as im not in USA and if i remember correctly, that USA is facing a big challenge because law has passed to force the security improvment.

No more magnetic track card, the future is the chip card, says the law.

But the chip card, is not US technology, and major builder of POS in america are pretty retarded to deal with chip card technology.
A lot of foreign patents also exist into the chip card industry and none of them belongs to USA.

So is it a good idea to continue with CC industry as far as 99% of player are from Europe where chip card are standard (and in France most advanced use in term of security) ?

So the applepay initiative is the answer of US industry to this challenge: it simply says "we dont need CC anymore"

And from my perspective they are right.

The future is in mobile payment application.

And the main point also which is in this deal, is that bank will promote apple technology: apple endorses the cost of fraud. This is the biggest point of the deal.

Also in the backoffice of payment industry, its a major change.

Usually all known protocal are basically ASN1 derived or inspired and modern are Binary TLV.

SEPA which is the future standard of payement in europe is already DEAD XML is so 90.

The future in term of cost, deployment, scalability, is just JSON RPC, all mobile device embedding a webkit which manage http connection.

And the funny part is that its the final customer who will bear the cost of possessing the device. Smiley
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September 27, 2014, 09:25:34 PM
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That was extremely powerful,  should upload that to 9gag

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September 27, 2014, 09:42:44 PM
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That was extremely powerful,  should upload that to 9gag

Before this meme takes off the image should be changed so it is realistic. The inflation rate shown for USD is exaggerated and the deflation rate for BTC is under represented.

We can make a compelling case without distorting the facts.

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September 27, 2014, 10:13:13 PM
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That was extremely powerful,  should upload that to 9gag

Before this meme takes off the image should be changed so it is realistic. The inflation rate shown for USD is exaggerated and the deflation rate for BTC is under represented.

We can make a compelling case without distorting the facts.

That is very true, but it still gets the point through though.

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September 27, 2014, 11:09:25 PM
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That was extremely powerful,  should upload that to 9gag

Before this meme takes off the image should be changed so it is realistic. The inflation rate shown for USD is exaggerated and the deflation rate for BTC is under represented.

We can make a compelling case without distorting the facts.

That is very true, but it still gets the point through though.

Yes, I think it gets the point across. We can get all technical on it but it's just to show something visually. I think people really GET this picture.

Feel free to spread it and share it wherever you want. I had good results on my FB page.



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September 28, 2014, 12:36:35 AM
Last edit: September 28, 2014, 12:53:17 AM by inBitweTrust
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Yes, I think it gets the point across. We can get all technical on it but it's just to show something visually. I think people really GET this picture.

Feel free to spread it and share it wherever you want. I had good results on my FB page.


Great Idea overall, congrats sir. I took your image , did some research and made some adjustments. Here is a 100% accurate version that no one can dispute. Feel free to take it, modify , and reuse any which way you prefer...

I know its a bit anal retentive , but when distributing this image you don't want to give any ammunition or excuse for our detractors despite the original principle being sound.

Technically, I was being conservative as well valuing BTC at 13usd in 2012, 100usd in 2013, and 400usd in 2014(with 250 dollars in liquor)

Over the last 5 years the dollar has lost 99.998% against bitcoin.


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September 28, 2014, 01:05:51 AM
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I like it, inBitweTrust! I think you did great! I spent a little time trying to make the bitcoin part accurate but I didn't change the USD part and I didn't want to spend the time researching the accuracy of the price conversion compared to what it would buy. I'm glad you did.

We just collectively created a very awesome image. I like that it's even more accurate now.

I updated the OP with the link to your image, as it's better.

Let's spread it everywhere.



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September 28, 2014, 01:25:08 AM
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I like it, inBitweTrust! I think you did great! I spent a little time trying to make the bitcoin part accurate but I didn't change the USD part and I didn't want to spend the time researching the accuracy of the price conversion compared to what it would buy. I'm glad you did.

One interesting factoid when creating this image is that when updating the 20 dollar bills to reflect the accurate time periods I was incapable of opening any version of the new version of the twenty in photoshop no matter what format, filename , or resolution, or even if I removed any digital watermark. I was able to pull up the image in GIMP just fine but seems like the newest version of photoshop uses OCR/Image analysis to block the image from being worked upon.

A popup appears suggesting that photoshop doesn't allow editing banknotes and directs me to this page:

http://www.rulesforuse.org/pub/index.php?lang=en

In 2015 when we have a new bubble we will have to update the image again.... unfortunately, we may have to squeeze a jetski behind the shopping cart... Wink

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Wow that's fascinating about Photoshop blocking it. I had no idea they built that in.

Looking forward to the 2015 version with the jetski Smiley



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September 28, 2014, 04:15:51 AM
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except there technically is pretty srs inflation for a while to start with for btc




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September 28, 2014, 04:24:19 AM
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except there technically is pretty srs inflation for a while to start with for btc

True, but interestingly the inflation of the number of coins mined (even with this creation being greater at the beginning), is still having a generally uptrending price if you take it on a span of years. So the price is still deflating even though the supply is inflating. Tell that to the dollar.



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September 28, 2014, 04:33:25 AM
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I love the photo, just tweeted it here: https://twitter.com/Lyth0s/status/516082372769361920/photo/1

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And also share it to cryptome.me, a Crypto currency themed  humour site.

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September 28, 2014, 12:04:24 PM
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except there technically is pretty srs inflation for a while to start with for btc

Well, I prefer to cite what really did happen instead a hypothetical alternative reality where Bitcoin acted as an inflationary currency because no one adopted it during the first 5 years.

The truth is the dollar has lost 99.9998% against bitcoin in the last 5 years. That makes bitcoin a deflationary currency compared to all Fiat currencies and ultimately what the image describes.

When economists talk about "inflation" vs "deflation" it is in the context of how the currency is being valued against a COL or CPI, and has nothing to do with the fact that more "currency units" were being created which is almost always the case, anytime, and anywhere.   

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September 28, 2014, 12:43:27 PM
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maybe ButtPay can solve all problems?

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September 28, 2014, 01:29:33 PM
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These would make seriously good billboards.
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September 28, 2014, 01:33:09 PM
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These would make seriously good billboards.

If someone wants to pay for a billboard hit me up and I will remake this in super high resolution size within photoshop/GIMP to fit a Billboard.... technically, I think it would need 2 billboards, one after the other. It is indeed a very powerful message.

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