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June 18, 2012, 10:15:56 AM
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Sounds very nice, but would require a special client used to meter the bandwidth and to sign/create these transactions, right?

Also, what happens if the Access Point thinks the user has used 100 MB of traffic, the user client thinks he has used only 99 MB of traffic though and refuses to "pay up"? Overprovision by some percentage? Choke (=rate-limit) the client till he pays up? This might lead to some bad user experience if consequences are harsh and immediate or in some not-paid traffic (or whatever) if there iss too much leeway.

It might work perfectly for per-minute flatrates though, maybe even for "per 10 seconds" types of contracts. Even per second maybe, though this might already start to have some timing issues (or packet loss issues!), especially with wireless connections.

Something where this might also work out, would be a bitcoin powered online hosting provider...

For APs the biggest problem might be to get bitcoins you own into that client - either it has to access your wallet file or it has it's own single private key(s) pre-charged with some amount. One could sell pre-charged private keys at the counter in a cafe for example and the added benefit for the customer would then be that they can use up as much as they like of that and transfer the rest to their wallet and use these as "normal" bitcoins after their session ends.

That way, even if you sell access "vouchers" to the local W-LAN for 30 USD or so while 1 hour only costs 2 USD, they still can afterwards keep and use the remaining balance.

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June 18, 2012, 12:31:15 PM
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Sounds very nice, but would require a special client used to meter the bandwidth and to sign/create these transactions, right?

It can just be built in to existing Android mobile clients. It's fair to ask that users have this, as that way it can be totally transparent ... users can end up on your wifi gateway without even realizing, if your fees are acceptable.

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Also, what happens if the Access Point thinks the user has used 100 MB of traffic, the user client thinks he has used only 99 MB of traffic though and refuses to "pay up"?

You buy access ahead of time in small amounts. The user can never be in bandwidth debt. They can have bought small amounts of traffic they didn't use, though.

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It might work perfectly for per-minute flatrates though, maybe even for "per 10 seconds" types of contracts. Even per second maybe, though this might already start to have some timing issues (or packet loss issues!), especially with wireless connections.

The proposal on the wiki is per kilobyte. The negotiation is cheap enough for that to be feasible, I think.
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June 18, 2012, 02:08:21 PM
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Sounds very nice, but would require a special client used to meter the bandwidth and to sign/create these transactions, right?

It can just be built in to existing Android mobile clients. It's fair to ask that users have this, as that way it can be totally transparent ... users can end up on your wifi gateway without even realizing, if your fees are acceptable.


Automated payments are not currently possible.  This would likely require a second, independent wallet app made for the purpose.

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August 03, 2012, 10:02:11 AM
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Further information on this project is now occurring on the thread on Rugutu:

 - http://www.rugatu.com/questions/739/wi-fi-hotspot-enabled-by-bitcoin

Sorry, haven't used rugatu before.  But sure, as long as the code is open source, works, and posted.

Bounty created  http://www.rugatu.com/questions/739/wi-fi-hotspot-enabled-by-bitcoin

Rugatu pledges 1 bitcoin.

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September 18, 2012, 09:48:19 PM
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Further information on this project is now occurring on the thread on Rugutu:

 - http://www.rugatu.com/questions/739/wi-fi-hotspot-enabled-by-bitcoin

Just posting an update on this thread ... there appears to be a party interested in building this:

 - http://www.rugatu.com/questions/739/wi-fi-hotspot-enabled-by-bitcoin/3384

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September 23, 2012, 03:56:39 AM
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Good luck!
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September 26, 2012, 03:35:58 PM
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NEat !

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June 04, 2013, 02:29:23 AM
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The ability to share a router for use by the operator for internal use as well as offering access commercially.

Software License: [flexible, GPL or BSD]
Hardware supported: [incomplete]  (probably WRT54G, etc., also Ubiquity Nanostation2)
Payment methods: Both Bitcoin or Voucher Code (i.e., a code for a 2 hour pass, 1 day pass, etc.)
Private access: Second SSID for internal use, WPA2 protection
LAN /ethernet: Full access
WLAN DHCP: Supported (optional)
WLAN Static IP: Supported (optional)
Remote admin: Supported (optional)

Someone with expertise in this area might want to consider creating a business plan to provide this and pitch it to BitAngels:
 - http://www.bitangels.co

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June 06, 2013, 04:19:17 PM
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can't wait to see someone pull this off sounds wicked awesome  Cheesy

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August 19, 2013, 06:46:17 PM
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Keeping an eye on this:

Bitcoin Wifi Hotspot running on Raspberry Pi.
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=277584.0
 - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ko3sz

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August 21, 2013, 04:53:53 PM
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Watching! Smiley

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August 21, 2013, 08:16:13 PM
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Watching again.

I think this is a million dollar idea (or a BTC8771.929824561 idea).

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August 21, 2013, 08:17:55 PM
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Why not just gateway for boingo or ipass or BT Openzone?

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August 21, 2013, 08:25:54 PM
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Why not just gateway for boingo or ipass or BT Openzone?
I have heard of some of those, but do they take BTC? If so that's great. I just don't like giving my banking info so I can send an email from the airport.

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August 21, 2013, 10:05:16 PM
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Why not just gateway for boingo or ipass or BT Openzone?
I have heard of some of those, but do they take BTC? If so that's great. I just don't like giving my banking info so I can send an email from the airport.
They don't, point being I can set up as a reseller of these, accept your bitcoin purchases, and job is done.  Globally, all airport, hotels, and cities everywhere.
There is no technical problem whatsoever for setting up a global WiFi ISP.  It is a business problem only.

I know product managers at these companies.  It can be done.  It isn't even hard, the question that will make it happen is whether there is a market.  If there are close to 100 subscribers globally, its going to be worth doing.

If we want additional privacy features, all that takes is setting up a RADIUS server and running RADIUS proxy through it for authentication, accounting and billing.

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August 21, 2013, 10:54:43 PM
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No technical development is needed.  Just business development, a little marketing, a website, a payment gateway.  The technology for this is old and already deployed.

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August 22, 2013, 01:50:07 PM
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@NewLiberty   Ahh, a reseller system, of course.

I was thinking of some kind of automated wallet running on a hacked-up router. But whatever. I would use this service whenever I travel.

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August 22, 2013, 02:09:24 PM
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Why not just gateway for boingo or ipass or BT Openzone?
If I can get on boingo with BTC, that'd be great! They are everywhere, it seems.

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August 22, 2013, 07:10:56 PM
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Why not just gateway for boingo or ipass or BT Openzone?
If I can get on boingo with BTC, that'd be great! They are everywhere, it seems.

Yes, I could set this up without much difficulty. 
Have existing high level partnership relationships with these global wifi providers, and the authentication management elements.
The only concern is whether there is sufficient demand and how much I am willing to lose to find out. Smiley

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August 22, 2013, 07:34:43 PM
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After a quick look at the available solutions Aruba with Amigopod can do this. If we are thinking in freeware solutions then Packetfence is a good solution. It has built-in billing support, so you just need an external payment processor, what gives the green light for the auth process. I'm going to playing a bit with this Smiley.

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