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May 10, 2012, 02:18:41 PM
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Well maybe they did confirm it (i.e. call the FBI office).  Then again journalistic standards aren't that high anymore.   Could be either one.

The trained response to inquiries on a classified or confidential document is "we can neither confirm, nor deny".

But this is an Unclassified document, made to be distributed to agencies around the world also. I suppose they would have no problem confirming it as real. Maybe they would be interested how it leaked, but it's not a secret per se.

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May 10, 2012, 02:19:38 PM
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True unless the leak is intentional. Smiley

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May 10, 2012, 03:30:29 PM
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I'm no expert but different versions of PDF readers can do different things. I;m going to guess wired shelled out and get the good version.

Just speculation.

No it is a bit for bit copy.  It even has the same (minor) formatting errors in the exact same spots.
On edit: oops psy beat me to it.

Hey SgtSpike your famous.  How does it feel to be published by Wired. Smiley

I demand to be shown said minor formatting errors!

That said, I do not want credit for it.  It is the FBI's document, not mine.  They hold the copyright to it (if there is one?), even if I was the one who recreated it.  I got my bounty, I am happy.

I do think it is odd that they used mine instead of the original.  What if I HAD made a mistake somewhere in it?  Maybe they just checked it over very well.
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May 10, 2012, 03:40:52 PM
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What if I HAD made a mistake somewhere in it?

Exactly. You could have inserted "PENIS" very faintly in the background too. (You should have).

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May 10, 2012, 03:44:13 PM
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What if I HAD made a mistake somewhere in it?

Exactly. You could have inserted "PENIS" very faintly in the background too. (You should have).
The ultimate trollfactor...

I don't want to ruin my reputation doing something like that though.  I like to stand by the quality of my work.  Wink
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May 10, 2012, 03:46:31 PM
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What if I HAD made a mistake somewhere in it?

Exactly. You could have inserted "PENIS" very faintly in the background too. (You should have).
The ultimate trollfactor...

I don't want to ruin my reputation doing something like that though.  I like to stand by the quality of my work.  Wink

I like to stand by "PENIS". In my book, that is quality work.  Cheesy

Just playing. You should hit up Wired and make them give you credit. If you don't, we will you know...

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May 10, 2012, 03:50:08 PM
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What if I HAD made a mistake somewhere in it?

Exactly. You could have inserted "PENIS" very faintly in the background too. (You should have).
The ultimate trollfactor...

I don't want to ruin my reputation doing something like that though.  I like to stand by the quality of my work.  Wink

I like to stand by "PENIS". In my book, that is quality of work.  Cheesy

Just playing. You should hit up Wired and make them give you credit. If you don't, we will you know...
Lol, do what you must... I am not contacting them though.
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May 10, 2012, 04:39:04 PM
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I wonder what editor at Wired read the Transcribed Document for errors and put it up as an Original. LOL

I guess people need to do more transcribing.

Poor guy is going to get into trouble.


Oh to add some fodder: Is it:  Organized or Organised?  and how and when do you spell each? hmm...

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May 10, 2012, 04:48:09 PM
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I wonder what editor at Wired read the Transcribed Document for errors and put it up as an Original. LOL

I guess people need to do more transcribing.

Poor guy is going to get into trouble.


Oh to add some fodder: Is it:  Organized or Organised?  and how and when do you spell each? hmm...
The funniest part is they kept my awful name for the document itself... "Bitcoin-FBI.pdf".  They just added the dash in place of the space to make it web safe.  I would have at least expected them to rename it to something more official sounding.

EDIT:  Now softpedia is linking to the wired-hosted PDF.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/FBI-Concerned-About-the-Use-of-Bitcoins-for-Illicit-Activities-268664.shtml

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May 10, 2012, 05:47:42 PM
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I do think it is odd that they used mine instead of the original.  What if I HAD made a mistake somewhere in it?  Maybe they just checked it over very well.
I'm sure they did Wink
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May 10, 2012, 06:01:42 PM
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Hey, Sgt

You're published. Smiley

Charge more next time.

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May 10, 2012, 07:12:32 PM
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Wired could have at least chipped in a couple coins towards the bounty if they needed a transcribed copy that bad.  Leeches I tell you.
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May 10, 2012, 07:21:36 PM
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Wired could have at least chipped in a couple coins towards the bounty if they needed a transcribed copy that bad.  Leeches I tell you.

They did better: free publicity! It's not like any of us computer nerds see their ads anyways.
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May 10, 2012, 10:38:40 PM
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Basically confirms what we already know:

-not really on LEO radar because "cyber criminals" are cashing huge money through webmoney and LR as usual
-some massive ebay scam in 2010 was laundered through online gold companies not bitcoin
-some other massive scam was laundered through virtual game gold not bitcoin
-any exchanger doing biz with Americans has to have a registered MSB so can get at private keys to match up xfers if they really wanted

tl;dr FBI doesn't care about bitcoin... yet

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May 11, 2012, 03:52:30 AM
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tl;dr FBI doesn't care about bitcoin... yet



FBI has chosen at the moment to defer operational jurisdiction, so that bitcoin businesses may be enrolled in the United States Treasury Financial Crimes Enforcement Network and in the States in which they operate.

If MSBs do not comply I'm sure you will find that the FBI/EOUSA starts to care. Failure to license and register the business may result in prosecution under Title 18 U.S.C. § 1960 "PROHIBITION OF UNLICENSED MONEY TRANSMITTING BUSINESSES."

Ok, that is funny

See the problem is, unfortunately, the U.S. has lost its way and a lot of its power to tell others what to do. The Laws that they are trying to enforce are for the most part ignored everywhere else. Hence, a vacuum is being created which is sucking all the business out of the United States. Big businesses have enough 'pull' to ignore the rules and set up shops overseas. Small Businesses and Personal accounts are left to the vultures.

So, I would suggest that 'we' get with the program and bend like a reed in the wind rather than be a brick wall trying to hold back a tidal wave.

Under that law, if you take money from someone to give to someone else, you are guilty. Think about that. It is a badly written law. There should at least be a qualifying clause before it can go into effect: Such as once the annual revenue reaches a preset amount adjusted to the CPI.

The ABA thinks there may be nearly ten thousand laws, the Congressional Research Center has lost track. So, narrate what you did today and a lawyer can tell you how many laws you broke. It is no longer about the 'law' because we know that the only reason the 'law' is there now is to punish people they want to punish. It has stopped being there to 'serve' the people.

Any 'law' that is unenforceable is by definition: A moot point.  Illegal or legal matters not when one can't enforce the 'law.'

With the above noted, I don't mean to be complicit in money laundering or the use of 'blood' money. However, it is a world economy now and not sets of local ones. Why doesn't the Law Enforcement Agencies try to stop the crimes that require the use of money laundering rather than trying to stop money laundering?

So when you come in and state the 'LAW', please consider what it is there to do now. It is there to keep the 'small' guys from taking business from the 'big' guys and NOT to create a fair and equal playing field for the people. Yes, the criminal element will take advantage of monetary systems. Did you think that would ever stop? So, Mr. FBI agent get up off your seat in front of your computer and get in the game. Seriously, your not going to catch the big fish that really do harm to people because they pay more and hire the best and brightest away from you. You know, like BoA, WF, UBS, HBSC, EXXON, BP, etc...  They are in the majors while you are still playing in the minors. They have developed methods of communicating with out really communicating using innuendo, hunting trips, fishing trips, sailing trips, golf, etc... The places with out, you got it, computer and cell phone usage.

However, 'I have a Dream' that one day every individual on the planet could easily and effectively transfer currencies among themselves without fear of repercussions from governments. I have a Dream to empower the people and put the money back into their control. I have a Dream that governments will be forced to serve the people rather than the people serve the governments. I have a Dream that rather than people fearing the Governments that the Governments will fear the people. I have a Dream that a person's sweat and labor goes towards themselves and not towards overburdensome taxes.


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May 11, 2012, 04:19:19 AM
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The ABA thinks there may be nearly ten thousand laws, the Congressional Research Center has lost track. So, narrate what you did today and a lawyer can tell you how many laws you broke. It is no longer about the 'law' because we know that the only reason the 'law' is there now is to punish people they want to punish. It has stopped being there to 'serve' the people.

How true.  Everyone is a criminal, even the little old lady from Pasadena.

However, 'I have a Dream' that one day every individual on the planet could easily and effectively transfer currencies among themselves without fear of repercussions from governments. I have a Dream to empower the people and put the money back into their control. I have a Dream that governments will be forced to serve the people rather than the people serve the governments. I have a Dream that rather than people fearing the Governments that the Governments will fear the people. I have a Dream that a person's sweat and labor goes towards themselves and not towards overburdensome taxes.

Bravo!

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May 11, 2012, 04:34:47 AM
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Anyone with a level head would read this and notice the glaring lack of research and round-about way it talks about bitcoin using explanations only bitcoiners use. It screams fake. Everything down to the style it's made in.

Sorry to quote this from earlier, but I think this pretty much sums it up. The style of writing is the biggest give-away here! It is completely off. Plus the insider-bitcoiner references. I wonder if someone here is pretending to subjectively comment on this when in fact they made it themselves.  Lips sealed

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May 11, 2012, 04:50:33 AM
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Sorry to quote this from earlier, but I think this pretty much sums it up. The style of writing is the biggest give-away here! It is completely off. Plus the insider-bitcoiner references. I wonder if someone here is pretending to subjectively comment on this when in fact they made it themselves.  Lips sealed

Yeah, I think SgtSpike made this all up so that he could earn 10 BTC by "retyping" it.  Wink

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May 11, 2012, 06:06:40 AM
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Sorry to quote this from earlier, but I think this pretty much sums it up. The style of writing is the biggest give-away here! It is completely off. Plus the insider-bitcoiner references. I wonder if someone here is pretending to subjectively comment on this when in fact they made it themselves.  Lips sealed

Yeah, I think SgtSpike made this all up so that he could earn 10 BTC by "retyping" it.  Wink
No, but that would have been a clever idea!

I still stand by the sheer amount of time spent on this.  Again, if it was a troll/fake, whoever made it still did spend 100's of hours compiling it all together.  I certainly wouldn't do that for only 10 BTC!
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May 11, 2012, 09:33:07 AM
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Sorry to quote this from earlier, but I think this pretty much sums it up. The style of writing is the biggest give-away here! It is completely off. Plus the insider-bitcoiner references. I wonder if someone here is pretending to subjectively comment on this when in fact they made it themselves.  Lips sealed

Yeah, I think SgtSpike made this all up so that he could earn 10 BTC by "retyping" it.  Wink
No, but that would have been a clever idea!

I still stand by the sheer amount of time spent on this.  Again, if it was a troll/fake, whoever made it still did spend 100's of hours compiling it all together.  I certainly wouldn't do that for only 10 BTC!

...much less for the lulz...

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